Top Twenty Five Coaches

[BobbyMac]

No, they are not. Les not performing to that level, is!! Let's put it this way...

Les has one of the "best" teams in the country (talent wise) year in and out without the success of Saban and Meyer. He is a coach who gets great talent and sometimes has success. But of late...not so great.

He isn't the coach BK is, just gets good players and can't figure out how offense works...

So he's one of the 3 best recruiters. Agreed. But in everyone's thinking here - Miles should lose points for being a great recruiter and only winning more games than anyone since '05 and a championship. He must only be compared to the 2 best coaches won 3 each, not the other coaches who won one like Miles.

Miles is 61-17 since '10. Kelly is 55-23 since '10.

According to Sagarin, Miles did it against the #10 SOS on average

While Kelly did it against the #20 SOS on average.

They are both 3-3 in bowls, both lost to Bama in the NC game by 21 pts or more. Kelly won heads up.

As of late (last two years)

LSU is 17-8 vs. #14 & #13 SOS's (game w/ McNeese St cancelled - weather)

ND is 18-8 vs. #31 & #11 SOS's

To close:

From this day forward I guess Coach Holtz can no longer be held in the same regard here at IE and must now be labeled an overrated, under-achiever. In the same 11 year period he won 11 less games than Miles, was a top three recruiter like Miles that apparently wasted the talent because he only won 1 NC and couldn't get back to NC Game #2 like Miles because he lost at home to BC. He also had a pedestrian 5-4 bowl game record like Miles similar but slightly better 7-4 mark.

That's a shame because I always thought Coach Holtz was a HOF kinda coach.

 

[Irish2155]

So he's one of the 3 best recruiters. Agreed. But in everyone's thinking here - Miles should lose points for being a great recruiter and only winning more games than anyone since '05 and a championship. He must only be compared to the 2 best coaches won 3 each, not the other coaches who won one like Miles.

Miles is 61-17 since '10. Kelly is 55-23 since '10.

According to Sagarin, Miles did it against the #10 SOS on average

While Kelly did it against the #20 SOS on average.

They are both 3-3 in bowls, both lost to Bama in the NC game by 21 pts or more. Kelly won heads up.

As of late (last two years)

LSU is 17-8 vs. #14 & #13 SOS's (game w/ McNeese St cancelled - weather)

ND is 18-8 vs. #31 & #11 SOS's

To close:

From this day forward I guess Coach Holtz can no longer be held in the same regard here at IE and must now be labeled an overrated, under-achiever. In the same 11 year period he won 11 less games than Miles, was a top three recruiter like Miles that apparently wasted the talent because he only won 1 NC and couldn't get back to NC Game #2 like Miles because he lost at home to BC. He also had a pedestrian 5-4 bowl game record like Miles similar but slightly better 7-4 mark.

That's a shame because I always thought Coach Holtz was a HOF kinda coach.

You're the one comparing Holtz to Les...good luck with that. Anyway you want to twist, turn or spin it...cool. If you don't see the difference then your bad.

I'd much rather Miles had taken the job than Harbaugh. Do you feel the same? That will answer this question.

 

[woolybug25]

You're the one comparing Holtz to Les...good luck with that. Anyway you want to twist, turn or spin it...cool. If you don't see the difference then your bad.

I'd much rather Miles had taken the job than Harbaugh. Do you feel the same? That will answer this question.

 

[Irish2155]

No comprende...do I win or lose?

 

[BobbyMac]

You're the one comparing Holtz to Les...good luck with that. Anyway you want to twist, turn or spin it...cool. If you don't see the difference then your bad.

I'd much rather Miles had taken the job than Harbaugh. Do you feel the same? That will answer this question.

I'm actually trying to keep my feelings out of it. I'm not spinning. It's not like Miles and LSU are ducking people. It's the SEC-W. In the era of divisional conferences the SEC-W has been a juggernaut. 4 NC's in 6 years, 2 Runner up's. Four of the 7 teams have been ranked #1 in that time, Ole Miss would have been #1 if LSU hadn't of beat them in '14. A&M has been Top 10, maybe Top 5 in various seasons and then there's Arkansas in the corner rebuilding. I couldn't flip the spin and try to throw the SEC-W and or LSU under the bus, the math and facts won't allow it.

As a long time Cam Cameron fan, i wish they could get the QB play figured out.

Why can't Miles and Holtz be compared? Almost identical careers against tough schedules.

Would I "much" rather had Miles take the Michigan job? Much... no. My gut tells me Harbaugh is maybe more dangerous because he's bringing a John Calipari like attitude to the position and is making noise BUT what if Miles got the job and used his relationships to start pulling LA, TX and MS kids up to Ann Arbor along with going coast to coast like Michigan is capable of? Two different brands of poison. The one thing I have little doubt of... had he went to Michigan instead of Harbaugh, he would have been the second most productive coach in that conference over time too.

 

[Irish2155]

I'm actually trying to keep my feelings out of it. I'm not spinning. It's not like Miles and LSU are ducking people. It's the SEC-W. In the era of divisional conferences the SEC-W has been a juggernaut. 4 NC's in 6 years, 2 Runner up's. Four of the 7 teams have been ranked #1 in that time, Ole Miss would have been #1 if LSU hadn't of beat them in '14. A&M has been Top 10, maybe Top 5 in various seasons and then there's Arkansas in the corner rebuilding. I couldn't flip the spin and try to throw the SEC-W and or LSU under the bus, the math and facts won't allow it.

As a long time Cam Cameron fan, i wish they could get the QB play figured out.

Why can't Miles and Holtz be compared? Almost identical careers against tough schedules.

Would I "much" rather had Miles take the Michigan job? Much... no. My gut tells me Harbaugh is maybe more dangerous because he's bring a John Calipari like attitude to the position and is making noise BUT what if Miles got the job and used his relationships to start pulling LA, TX and MS kids up to Ann Arbor along with going coast to coast like Michigan is capable of? Two different brands of poison. The one thing I have little doubt of... had he went to Michigan instead of Harbaugh, he would have been the second most productive coach in that conference over time too.

Good points as always, your post are always full of facts...much appreciated. JH has led a team to the SuperBowl...where does that fit in you factual equation?

Now...let's put BK or Harbaugh in Les' seat with those teams. First off they'd both been smart enough to recruit and then develop QBs. I think Les tried with Cam but for the life of me am having a hard time understating why you're a big fan. That is an opinion I understand but you're from Indiana too...do you not remember his days at IU? Oh lord.

Worries me a lot...Harbaugh at Scum that is. He is a better coach, by far, than Les...IMO.

 

[woolybug25]

No comprende...do I win or lose?

If you have to ask, then you should know the answer...

 

[ulukinatme]

Gary Patterson and then Chris Peterson are the pound for pound best coaches in the country.

But when CBK replaces Belichick... I will not shed a single tear if Nick Saban announces he wants the ND job because it's his Catholic duty and his dream.

Now if Urban did the same, I'd take a long shower to wash away the icky grime, then turn my head and look the other way while racking up the W's.

Who's your third option?

My third choice is actually my real 1st choice in the unrealistic category, Dantonio. Runs a good program, Catholic guy, Ohio native, played at S. Car and won in the Midwest under UM and OSU's noses. He really checks all the boxes.

Too bad Charlie couldn't have taken a Pro job after the '06 season allowing the Irish to hire Dantonio.

I wouldn't take any of those three, Saban, Urban, or Dantonio. Saban just isn't a good fit and he's obviously getting up there in age. Would he win at ND? Who knows. He's had the most success in his career at Alabama where he has total control, he wouldn't get that at ND. There's a lot more restrictions, especially in the talent pool.

The same can be said of Urban, to a degree. He's younger, but after his "health scare" at UF I don't think he'd want a high pressure situation like ND. Obviously Ohio State is no cake walk either from an expectations level, but I'd venture a guess he has less responsibilities and less to worry about when it comes to academics, admissions, and public appearances.

Dantonio probably could have been a great coach for ND. I think he could have been a good fit at one time, but at 60 that time has probably passed. Kelly is 54 and has already alluded to the stresses of the position and the fact he may not be around many more years. Dantonio has already had one heart attack coaching for MSU, I can't imagine ND would be beneficial to his health. Of the three I think he probably would have fit the best from a culture standpoint, but it probably would be pretty taxing compared to the expectations and less responsibilities he faces in East Lansing.

If and when BK moves on or retires, I imagine the next coach will be another up-and-comer from a middle tier school. That, or Sanford is groomed for the position.