Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

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Who you got?

I’m not saying he’s perfect, I’m saying he’s been dealt a shitty hand.

Tommy will go elsewhere and put up 50 points a game.

Be careful what you ask for, especially when you don’t have a backup plan.
Are you kidding???? OMG - 50 point Tommy, Huh? Well 1/2 that would have worked last night but we crapped the bed on his side of the ball.
 

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The only way the offense was going to be successful this season was to run the ball at a 2017 level and then have Buchner be a more effective passer (especially on intermediate/short routes) than Wimbush. Instead it looks like this might be the most ineffective offense we’ve had since the beginning of the Kelly era because you don’t have a proficient pocket passer AND you can’t run the ball AND you don’t have explosive players.

The issues, on paper, go way beyond play calling and can’t be solved by play calling. They need to get the OL playing at a high level and then need to build an identity around that. What we saw last night was dysfunctional grab bag nonsense.
 

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How Smart Man Jack didn’t realize marrying a young, inexperienced OC in Rees with a young, inexperienced DC promoted to HC in Freeman would be a possible disaster - is beyond me….
 

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The only way the offense was going to be successful this season was to run the ball at a 2017 level and then have Buchner be a more effective passer (especially on intermediate/short routes) than Wimbush. Instead it looks like this might be the most ineffective offense we’ve had since the beginning of the Kelly era because you don’t have a proficient pocket passer AND you can’t run the ball AND you don’t have explosive players.

The issues, on paper, go way beyond play calling and can’t be solved by play calling. They need to get the OL playing at a high level and then need to build an identity around that. What we saw last night was dysfunctional grab bag nonsense.
Lax - If he can’t recognize the weakness in the OL then he shouldn’t be ND’s OC.

If he did see the obvious weakness in the OL and did scheme plays like screens, roll outs or Jet Sweeps in multiple sets then he should be fired.

I want to like Tommy - he is from ND - but his play calling didn’t recognize the issues in the OL that you speak of.
 

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How does Kelly not have the majority of the blame for recruiting on offense? He was the HC and hired Del/Quinn/etc. He hired the recruiting coordinator and oversaw recruiting.

I blame Tommy for QB recruiting but he was given very little latitude over anything else in the program. TE is great and I like our RBs but the OL/WR/QB rooms are train wrecks and got that way over a period of years. From the ‘17 OL/QB/WR group to now we had 5 years to get shit straight and didn’t. Basically recruited players at 75%+ bust rate for those groups over a 4 year period.

No quick fix, but bringing in JT Daniels would’ve helped.

Kinda makes you wonder if Kelly saw the writing on the wall with their past offensive recruiting? Maybe he figured it was a good time to get out of dodge before he gets thrown to the fire again.

Buchner and 5 Star Philure were supposed to be home runs. Jury is still out on Buchner, but I think he made some strides from last year. We've certainly gotta get him a better OL to operate behind, and obviously a full compliment of WR talent.
I don’t understand why anyone gives Rees a pass for the players on the roster. He’s in his third year as OC and he owned the QB room before that. They’re his freaking players….
He's in his 3rd year, although he didn't get a spring in 2020 and this year's Sophomores were his first class. If you want to see his impact, look at the depth chart. 5-6 of those Sophomores are starters as oppose to upperclassmen. That's one reason we're struggling, a year ago those guys were fresh out of high school and last night they were playing in Columbus at night. They're bringing in talent, but it's going to take time for those guys to develop and fill the holes that Del and Quinn created.
 

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great because he surely wasnt at the OSU game
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I don’t understand why anyone gives Rees a pass for the players on the roster. He’s in his third year as OC and he owned the QB room before that. They’re his freaking players….
Rees didn't hire Del Alexander.

Rees didn't hire Jeff Quinn.

They were both on staff and he inherited their recruiting shortcomings when he was promoted.

The problem is that we lack numbers at receiver and our interior OL is small and not talented.

It's not Rees' fault that Kelly failed to hold his coaches accountable for recruiting failings and not having backup plans when it was clear as day some of our receiver commits were looking elsewhere.

That's on Kelly. He was in charge and it was his guys.
 

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No complaints on TB. First start and against a really good team. No complaints at all.
Rees on the other hand, plenty of complaints
I don't really know what you wanted him to do.

The OL was getting abused and we were down 4 receivers and had Matt Salerno out there unironically putting in starter minutes.

You could have vintage Joe Gibbs and you're not overcoming that. This game was lost because when injuries began to mount, Ohio State had the talent to overcome it. ND didn't.
 

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Rees didn't hire Del Alexander.

Rees didn't hire Jeff Quinn.

They were both on staff and he inherited their recruiting shortcomings when he was promoted.

The problem is that we lack numbers at receiver and our interior OL is small and not talented.

It's not Rees' fault that Kelly failed to hold his coaches accountable for recruiting failings and not having backup plans when it was clear as day some of our receiver commits were looking elsewhere.

That's on Kelly. He was in charge and it was his guys.
Bk groomed Rees into not being able to recruit himself. Or be involved in the WR/OL recruiting since it is Rees offense. And we have seen that the last 2 games.
 

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Bk groomed Rees into not being able to recruit himself. Or be involved in the WR/OL recruiting since it is Rees offense. And we have seen that the last 2 games.

That makes no sense.

OL recruiting hasn't been a problem over the past couple of years. Since Rees was promoted, we landed a 5-man class in '21 (with 3 4-stars) and '22 (with 4 4-stars). The problem is that ND's upperclassmen OL lacks talent, because of poor recruiting in the '18, '19 and '20 classes. Rees had literally nothing to do with those, because he was still just the QB coach.

As for receiver, again, he didn't hire Del. Del was already in place and falling short at receiver long before Rees was promoted. And again, Kelly was the one in charge of the recruiting room and holding position coaches accountable, like Freeman is now. If Kelly did his job like he was expected, Del would've gotten the axe and Rees wouldn't have been stuck with him when he got promoted.
 

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Rees didn't hire Del Alexander.

Rees didn't hire Jeff Quinn.

They were both on staff and he inherited their recruiting shortcomings when he was promoted.

The problem is that we lack numbers at receiver and our interior OL is small and not talented.

It's not Rees' fault that Kelly failed to hold his coaches accountable for recruiting failings and not having backup plans when it was clear as day some of our receiver commits were looking elsewhere.

That's on Kelly. He was in charge and it was his guys.
Small?

 

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How Smart Man Jack didn’t realize marrying a young, inexperienced OC in Rees with a young, inexperienced DC promoted to HC in Freeman would be a possible disaster - is beyond me….
Smart Man Jack didn't realize how terrible Brian Kelly was after years of sniffing his jock. Only dumber AD is the LSU guy.
 

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Small?

Yes. Small.

I'd say on average, the tandem of Lugg, Kristofic and Correll are about 300 on the dot.

I don't care what they're listed as, I don't buy for a second that Correll is 308. Hell, I'd be surprised if he was even 298. Same with Kristofic. Dude's hovering around 300. You can't be in a situation where you're playing major college football with 2 starters on your OL that are sub-300.

Also, Lugg is about the same height as Paris Johnson and, if their listed weights were accurate, Lugg would be bigger than Johnson. But there's no way in hell that's accurate, because if you watched last night's game, Johnson was significantly more physically imposing than Lugg. It's clear that if Lugg is actually 316 (probably closer to 310), that ain't a ton of muscle.
 

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Bk groomed Rees into not being able to recruit himself. Or be involved in the WR/OL recruiting since it is Rees offense. And we have seen that the last 2 games.
The recruiting will likely not be a factor going forward under Freeman. We've got talent on the way, but for now it's pretty much just the talented young Sophomores that are starting and maybe a few freshmen like Merriweather. We have to make do till the next classes are on campus.
 

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I think Freeman should be able to get his own OC in before he is judged too harshly. He has recruited great assistants he must be cringing at Rees fumble his role.
 

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Holding out hope for Rees knowing what a competitor he is.
Yep. It’s fun to “argue” about Rees and the team but it’s a long season and a lot will change by the end. Here’s hoping TB12 progresses and we get a stud QB for the ‘23 class (maybe Carr?). I think Rees is capable of both. Whether it happens, we’ll see.
 
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