Time for new partner: Big 10 or SEC?

[ozzman]

It is time for Notre Dame to leave the football kids’ table

Irish football needs to be bold in their decision regarding the ACC.

www.ndsmcobserver.com

From the observer

 

[irishnd31]

It is time for Notre Dame to leave the football kids’ table

Irish football needs to be bold in their decision regarding the ACC.

www.ndsmcobserver.com

From the observer

Hack piece written by a hack

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

It is time for Notre Dame to leave the football kids’ table

Irish football needs to be bold in their decision regarding the ACC.

www.ndsmcobserver.com

From the observer

That Sampson article I want to read. How do get the archive of it to get around the sign up? Not that you know just a general question

 

[Irish8248]

That Sampson article I want to read. How do get the archive of it to get around the sign up? Not that you know just a general question

If you hit a restricted website/article, go to archive.is copy the URL into their search box and wait for it break the wall

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

If you hit a restricted website/article, go to archive.is copy the URL into their search box and wait for it break the wall

Thank you!!!

 

[Irish#1]

Jim Phillips just did a big one on one interview

I get it, but it's basically the same messages we've heard before.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

So it sounds like leaving the ACC is still on the table.. That makes me very happy that it is at least being discussed.

 

[pumpdog20]

I'm wondering if IE members know what the football economic differences are (just that; no "history" or pissed-off-ness) going into the near foreseeable future: independence vs B1G vs ACC [I don't see compatibility with SEC nor Big12.] My request is because I believe that none of the "other stuff" matters much anymore to the Big Boys negotiating (or running bluffs) than actual hard money.

One reason that I believe it's just money at the decision-making level, is that I believe that ND can now make the championship playoffs by sweeping a mediocre schedule. Putting a schedule together has been about the only real threat to us as a tightening knot. 16 teams makes that less threatening.

Personally, I would just like there to be more "good" teams on the schedule. Especially as a season ticket holder who drives from 6 hours away. I think the Big Ten provides that. If we can get better teams on the schedule more often without joining a conference, fine, I guess.

 

[notredomer23]

Counterpoint to joining the Big 10, I present you this

 

[irishandy]

If ND had to join a conference then I'd say the Big 10...then Michigan and USC couldn't run away from playing ND.

Overall I agree with Old Man Mike- stay independent, if college football can't realize that scheduling ND on your schedule is a great game something is wrong with the sport not Notre Dame.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Well, that's not what I wrote. (or intended to write anyway.) What I was saying is just that we can make the playoffs even with the conferences making schedule-making tough on us, SO the upper air negotiations MUST now be just about how much MONEY ND Football will lose if it joins a conference. The AMOUNT of money loss vs "other incentives to join" must be at a different place now than it was pre-16-team playoffs.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Personally, I would just like there to be more "good" teams on the schedule. Especially as a season ticket holder who drives from 6 hours away. I think the Big Ten provides that. If we can get better teams on the schedule more often without joining a conference, fine, I guess.

I think that’s something all fans can agree on. I saw where Texas’ AD even noted that despite his HC wanting an easier schedule. What’s hurt ND through not fault of their own is as ND became a consistent program to be reckoned with, the ACC has shit the bed from top to bottom. As much as non-ND fans want to cry about ND being able to “pick their schedule” it’s just not true. They have zero control of the ACC opponents. On the ND side, they’ve been consistent w/ scheduling home & home games vs perennial powers like UGA, OSU, aTm, Bama, and others from the BK era to the future. Hell, Wisconsin looked like a solid matchup when it was announced but ND can’t help that the Badgers have fallen to mediocrity.

I think the solution will take care of itself because I believe we are headed for one or two Super Conferences that will include the “Haves” while the “Have Nots” have to settle for a lower tier similar to what we see today w/ the G5 schools. With the way P4 conferences are expanding today, you are seeing the inequity of scheduling b/c one year teams will get presented a freakin’ gauntlet (like SC & OSU for 2026) & then the next they’ll get a cakewalk like aTm and IU got this year. I think as this continues, the grumblings from member schools will increase.

 

[stlnd01]

Personally, I would just like there to be more "good" teams on the schedule. Especially as a season ticket holder who drives from 6 hours away. I think the Big Ten provides that. If we can get better teams on the schedule more often without joining a conference, fine, I guess.

Agree. Aside from making the playoffs/winning a national championship, the thing I care most about as a fan is us playing big and fun games.

Yes we can schedule a one-off early with some SEC power, which is fun. But beyond that we've now lost our two biggest rivalry games (Michigan and USC), which are by definition big and fun. And the ACC isn't really making up for that, aside from the occasional Miami game and this deal with Clemson (which is independent of the ACC).

Even the middle-class Big Ten teams (like Sparty and Minnesota and Nebraska) are more fun than the middle-class ACC teams, because of proximity and because most of their fans actually care about football in a way the ACC schools don't, really. Like you said, if we can fill an interesting schedule as an independent, great. But if we can't - if we're stuck cobbling together ACC and Big 12 and G5s just to stay independent - I'd probably rather we just join the Big 10 already.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Agree. Aside from making the playoffs/winning a national championship, the thing I care most about as a fan is us playing big and fun games.

Yes we can schedule a one-off early with some SEC power, which is fun. But beyond that we've now lost our two biggest rivalry games (Michigan and USC), which are by definition big and fun. And the ACC isn't really making up for that, aside from the occasional Miami game and this deal with Clemson (which is independent of the ACC).

Even the middle-class Big Ten teams (like Sparty and Minnesota and Nebraska) are more fun than the middle-class ACC teams, because of proximity and because most of their fans actually care about football in a way the ACC schools don't, really. Like you said, if we can fill an interesting schedule as an independent, great. But if we can't - if we're stuck cobbling together ACC and Big 12 and G5s just to stay independent - I'd probably rather we just join the Big 10 already.

Yep