The Sandusky Trial

[Bogtrotter07]

Not only did I state this, my intuition was dead on, in the post about getting rid of an autographed copy of his book, but I also told you that the NCAA will never get their hands on them. The US Attorney will slice and dice 'em. I mean it, keep your eyes open, their may not be a PSU for the NCAA to sanction.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I had a feeling ol Joe knew more than what was originally stated. I wish he was still alive to see him taken away in cuffs.

 

[IrishLax]

Emmert, NCAA in position to send important message: Make Penn State pay - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com News, Scores, Stats, Schedule and BCS Rankings

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Start by taking away all JoPa's victories since Sandusky coached with him, and take that gate receipt and TV revenue and start a trust fund for victims, Church, PSU, and other.

 

[ChiRish]

Start by taking away all JoPa's victories since Sandusky coached with him, and take that gate receipt and TV revenue and start a trust fund for victims, Church, PSU, and other.

Seriously. If the NCAA doesn't impose penalties for this kind of egregious and disgusting conduct, why even have the penalties in the first place? I think we can all agree that some form of allowance, or acceptance, or even covering up, by the football program of the abhorrent activities of Sandusky is much, much worse than recruits getting paid off. If this doesn't fit squarely into the definition of "lack of institutional control," I don't know what could.

Quite simply, Schultz and Curley are charged with failure to report child abuse. The evidence now indicates that they knew of Sandusky's crimes but either (1) chose on their own or with conjunction with those in the football program not to proceed for fear of any potential penalties, criminal or otherwise; or (2) spoke with Paterno about it and subsequently did not come forward with the information. Regardless, this is entirely damning information that should bring serious infractions. If the results of the interplay between the football program and the university administration were to leave two high ranking school officials fired and charged with a failure to report child abuse, how in the world could the NCAA not take action?

For once, please NCAA, do not screw this up. Set an example. There are certain things in life that are more important than maintaining a football program. Here, there's no argument that "every school is doing it," that "these penalties are unproportional," or that "college athletes should get a stipend anyways," like there are with other NCAA penalty impositions.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

Seriously. If the NCAA doesn't impose penalties for this kind of egregious and disgusting conduct, why even have the penalties in the first place? I think we can all agree that some form of allowance, or acceptance, or even covering up, by the football program of the abhorrent activities of Sandusky is much, much worse than recruits getting paid off. If this doesn't fit squarely into the definition of "lack of institutional control," I don't know what could.

Quite simply, Schultz and Curley are charged with failure to report child abuse. The evidence now indicates that they knew of Sandusky's crimes but either (1) chose on their own or with conjunction with those in the football program not to proceed for fear of any potential penalties, criminal or otherwise; or (2) spoke with Paterno about it and subsequently did not come forward with the information. Regardless, this is entirely damning information that should bring serious infractions. If the results of the interplay between the football program and the university administration were to leave two high ranking school officials fired and charged with a failure to report child abuse, how in the world could the NCAA not take action?

For once, please NCAA, do not screw this up. Set an example. There are certain things in life that are more important than maintaining a football program. Here, there's no argument that "every school is doing it," that "these penalties are unproportional," or that "college athletes should get a stipend anyways," like there are with other NCAA penalty impositions.

Curley and Schultz are also charged with perjury. Also I think Spanier will be indicted. I believe the NCAA will give out harsh penalties to Penn State.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Jo Pa got off too easily. I wish he were still here to suffer through what is coming. He was and is an embarrassment to the school and the game and worse, he is a criminal for allowing the cover up. As I stated early in the original Sandusky thread last fall, this was all about maintaining the outward appearance that PSU and Paterno were beyond reproach. Shame on you Joe Paterno.

Further, I agree w Bogs idea, wipe all the Paterno/Sandusky wins from the record book. Let Bowden have the record.

 

[Grahambo]

Death Penalty times ten.

ALL players from ALL sports should also be allowed to transfer without sitting a year.

 

[Irish YJ]

Jo Pa got off too easily. I wish he were still here to suffer through what is coming. He was and is an embarrassment to the school and the game and worse, he is a criminal for allowing the cover up. As I stated early in the original Sandusky thread last fall, this was all about maintaining the outward appearance that PSU and Paterno were beyond reproach. Shame on you Joe Paterno.

Further, I agree w Bogs idea, wipe all the Paterno/Sandusky wins from the record book. Let Bowden have the record.

This,,, plus melt the statue, remove every trace of Joe, beat the hell out of those that knew, and throw them in general population with a t-shirt that says "I promoted child molestation"
Just catching up on all the CNN stuff... sickening. I was a huge Joe fan. Awful how you can idolize someone for so long, and later be sickened by the mention of their name.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

In a strange convoluted way, I agree with you.

 

[NDhoosier]

Death Penalty times ten.

ALL players from ALL sports should also be allowed to transfer without sitting a year.

I dont agree with that, a kid signed in a sense a "contract" to play for the school, if they break that contract, they deserve to have some penalties. What would make it more fair is if coaches were expected to hold up their contracts or have penalties against them. Perfect example is what happened with Tosh Lupoi or whatever his name is when he was recruiting for Cal.

If players could transfer without penalties, it would create mayhem.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

I dont agree with that, a kid signed in a sense a "contract" to play for the school, if they break that contract, they deserve to have some penalties. What would make it more fair is if coaches were expected to hold up their contracts or have penalties against them. Perfect example is what happened with Tosh Lupoi or whatever his name is when he was recruiting for Cal.

If players could transfer without penalties, it would create mayhem.

The NCAA let players from SMU to transfer to any school without sitting out a year in 1987.

 

[IrishLax]

It's looking more and more like the NCAA will do something; my guess is it wouldn't be ultra punitive. Death penalty to all sports? Get real guys.

I think what you're going to see is mounting pressure for the NCAA to do something... but they move so slow... and this wasn't cheating.... so what do they do? If I were the NCAA, I'd put in an 11 year bowl ban (to reflect the 11 years from 1998 to 2009 where Penn State's inaction allowed more and more kids to be abused) with no scholarship reductions. Over that time, all Penn State administrators/football staff are forced to spend that period of time between the end of the season and January 1st working with abused children or some other charity work that benefits molested kids. The school is also put on probation for a long period of time forced to institute a bunch of policies/programs and direct a large portion of their revenue to a trust for the abused kids.

I think that punishment would fit the crime.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Joe Paterno's role in covering up Jerry Sandusky's child molestations grows as evidence is leaked - Yahoo! Sports

A lot of questions being asked.. This is going up in flames.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

It's looking more and more like the NCAA will do something; my guess is it wouldn't be ultra punitive. Death penalty to all sports? Get real guys.

I think what you're going to see is mounting pressure for the NCAA to do something... but they move so slow... and this wasn't cheating.... so what do they do? If I were the NCAA, I'd put in an 11 year bowl ban (to reflect the 11 years from 1998 to 2009 where Penn State's inaction allowed more and more kids to be abused) with no scholarship reductions. Over that time, all Penn State administrators/football staff are forced to spend that period of time between the end of the season and January 1st working with abused children or some other charity work that benefits molested kids. The school is also put on probation for a long period of time forced to institute a bunch of policies/programs and direct a large portion of their revenue to a trust for the abused kids.

I think that punishment would fit the crime.

I think they should be forced to play a tougher schedule.

 

[phork]

First step is for the BIG to kick them out of the conference.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Sad day for PSU

Sad day for PSU

Big brother just graduated from PSU in 11. Dad is a huge fan, and has been going to at least a game a year for the last 20 seasons. I got plenty of friends from High school that are attending right now. Just sad, sad time, and the scary thing with the release of more information like these emails it can only get worse. Death Penalty might not be a bad idea, but it would suck because the players had absolutely nothing to do with it unlike SMU.

 

[RyCo1983]

I think they should be forced to play a tougher schedule.

I about spit out my Mt. Dew on that one! I snorted. REPS

 

[NDhoosier]

The NCAA let players from SMU to transfer to any school without sitting out a year in 1987.

if he is just talking about PSU athletes if PSU is hit hard with penalties (like SMU was with the death penalty) then sure, that is fine. But I took it as a general statement of the entire NCAA. Special circumstances after a school gets kicked in the nuts is fine, but the rule in general needs to stay.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/s...-not-to-report-sandusky-e-mails-indicate.html

 

[Bogtrotter07]

The persons I am not really liking now are Paterno's sons. If there is only one, I believe he has two with faces in the media. Jay is one, help me out. If only one; two faces. Like what I did there?

I cannot even begin to understand how it is to be in a situation like the Paterno kids find themselves in, but I would shut up fast and put no face on it so it didn't seem like I was adding to the cover-up, and just trying to protect my share of the estate.

What estate you say? Jopa moved millions to his wife and trusts, ostensibly because of his cancer, but preparation for protection for a series of civil suits could have been a goal also.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Scott, I think

 

[NDBoiler]

The persons I am not really liking now are Paterno's sons. If there is only one, I believe he has two with faces in the media. Jay is one, help me out. If only one; two faces. Like what I did there?

I cannot even begin to understand how it is to be in a situation like the Paterno kids find themselves in, but I would shut up fast and put no face on it so it didn't seem like I was adding to the cover-up, and just trying to protect my share of the estate.

What estate you say? Jopa moved millions to his wife and trusts, ostensibly because of his cancer, but preparation for protection for a series of civil suits could have been a goal also.

Sadly, I think you may be on to something there, my friend. The assumption was made that it was just in preparation for his passing and very well may have been for some additional underlying reasons. Where are the protesting masses in support of Paterno now???

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

Scott, I think

Yes Scott, I actually met him at a party around 8 years ago and hes nothing like his dad. But he ran for congress in my area and lost.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I loved it when he lost that race. Must be a real dope to lose a race in central PA with the last name Paterno.

 

[IrishinTN]

Penn State Nittany Lions -- Joe Paterno's family wants emails, records released - ESPN

If you want some entertainment, just watch the thousands of comments being posted on this story in ESPN. Deluded PSU fans, but others who obviously already hated Paterno, too.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

But there's no way he could have told them not to report the abuse because JoePa didn't use email. Wow. His defenders will think of anything to protect him.

 

[Grahambo]

if he is just talking about PSU athletes if PSU is hit hard with penalties (like SMU was with the death penalty) then sure, that is fine. But I took it as a general statement of the entire NCAA. Special circumstances after a school gets kicked in the nuts is fine, but the rule in general needs to stay.

Oh..no, no, no

I most certainly meant just the athletes at PSU for the simple fact they had absolutely nothing to do with this horrible situation. PSU should just about be relegated to the FCS.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Oh..no, no, no

I most certainly meant just the athletes at PSU for the simple fact they had absolutely nothing to do with this horrible situation. PSU should just about be relegated to the FCS.

They're already used to the competition.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

Jerry Sandusky case: NCAA investigation at Penn State is unprecedented | PennLive.com