The Official Irishenvy Fire Tommy Rees Thread

[arahop]

We didn't need 26 transfers, we needed the guys we got (Joseph, Chris Smith, Sot) + 2 portal WRs.

Our record and play on the field refutes that.

 

[Irish4life]

Our record and play on the field refutes that.

It does not. With 2 quality WRs from the portal, we score more than 21 and 14 points against Marshall and Stanford. 28 points in those games and ND wins, is 5-1, and ranked in the top 10.

 

[arahop]

and how many left?

Once again we didn’t lose a single key contributor to the portal this off season. Even with a coaching change of almost the entire staff. So who you kicking off each year to account for a roster that does not turnover at the rate others do either?

That's the point. Turnover is needed, and the goal is not be BIG team. It's to win a National Championship. NDs structure the last 30 years and counting makes that a near impossibility.

 

[Dale]

That's the point. Turnover is needed, and the goal is not be BIG team. It's to win a National Championship. NDs structure the last 30 years and counting makes that a near impossibility.

My apologies in part - I read Big Time as Big Ten.

But it’s on the Admin to start booting players? Not talking Litchfield Ajavon, we want to start booting actual contributors to then take more contributors? That’s the long term success plan? And it’s on the Admin to enact?

 

[irishff1014]

Our record and play on the field refutes that.

As long as we can get some transfer coaches.......

 

[stlnd01]

I’m a big believer in “there are always scholarships available” when it comes to recruiting, but taking 20 transfers would mean showing 20 existing players the door and in most cases that’s just bad program management.

Yes we needed a QB and a couple experienced WRs from the portal but beyond that I’m not sure what more we’d actually want that would have been worth the cost.

 

[IrishLax]

It does not. With 2 quality WRs from the portal, we score more than 21 and 14 points against Marshall and Stanford. 28 points in those games and ND wins, is 5-1, and ranked in the top 10.

Imagine if ND did what USC did and added Caleb Williams + a veteran NFL level WR + a young 5* WR.

ND would be minimum 5-1, probably 6-0.

 

[Grahambo]

Imagine if ND did what USC did and added Caleb Williams + a veteran NFL level WR + a young 5* WR.

ND would be minimum 5-1, probably 6-0.

Shoot, with just Caleb Williams ND is minimum 5-1 and might even squeaked out the OSU win.

 

[IrishSpartan]

Is it really true he’s going all BVG at practice?

 

[Dale]

Imagine if ND did what USC did and added Caleb Williams + a veteran NFL level WR + a young 5* WR.

ND would be minimum 5-1, probably 6-0.

We’d also have to enter a alternate timeline/universe where BK gets hired by LSU first and ND replaces him with Lincoln Riley.

 

[317Irish]

We’d also have to enter a alternate timeline/universe where BK gets hired by LSU first and ND replaces him with Lincoln Riley.

Too late, I already finished

 

[GATTACA!]

We’d also have to enter a alternate timeline/universe where BK gets hired by LSU first and ND replaces him with Lincoln Riley.

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[Hammer Of The Gods]

Is it really true he’s going all BVG at practice?

what do you mean by this? Genuine question

 

[IrishLax]

Is it really true he’s going all BVG at practice?

In what way?

 

[IrishSpartan]

Screaming and cursing out players, basically treating them like crap.

 

[FOTY977]

Screaming and cursing out players, basically treating them like crap.

Sauce?

 

[Irish4life]

Imagine if ND did what USC did and added Caleb Williams + a veteran NFL level WR + a young 5* WR.

ND would be minimum 5-1, probably 6-0.

Feels like a false equivalency to me. I mean sure, yeah, if ND had added Caleb Williams, Jordan Addison, and Brendan Rice we're 6-0 lol. But we could've had Jordan Addison out of HS, and didn't take him because we were stuck on 3 WRs per class and liked him better as a safety. And Caleb Williams was going to follow Lincoln Riley wherever he went after OU, if you wanna tell me we should've recruited him out of HS, fine. I have no argument there. I fail to see how any of that changes the fact that with Charlie Jones and Matt Landers, ND is a 5-1 CFP contender right now.

 

[stlnd01]

Screaming and cursing out players, basically treating them like crap.

Rees? Seems unlikely?

 

[arahop]

My apologies in part - I read Big Time as Big Ten.

But it’s on the Admin to start booting players? Not talking Litchfield Ajavon, we want to start booting actual contributors to then take more contributors? That’s the long term success plan? And it’s on the Admin to enact?

My argument is based more on the hurdles and mountain climbing transfers have to go through to get cleared academically. To go deeper, the academic restrictions to get recruits is still wild to me. They already bend but have an "don't break line" that line is arbitrary to me. ND pulls in more money than most football factories. So we are a lucrative football factory, just not one that can seriously contend for a championship. The University treats football as business. A business based off of football success from the last century. It's obvious I have beef with ND BOT and administration. It will never go away until they win a title, and that will never happen unless they're progressive and not in maintenance mode. with or without ND Football, Notre Dame is a top 20-25 academically, so make more exceptions is my solution, a lot more than they have since Holtz,and their endowment and University would be a shell of itself financially without the ND Football program. Just asking the University to pay back the hand that fed them billions of dollars at this point. I don't think it's that unreasonable.

 

[IrishLax]

Screaming and cursing out players, basically treating them like crap.

Ah so the Chip Long approach

 

[arahop]

Yep. And the big spenders can just buy the best players from the mid-majors.
If I were a Pitt fan, for instance, I’d be pissed as hell about the Addison situation. I know the NCAA isn’t really a democracy but I don’t know how the majority of football programs put up with this.

Simple, winning football programs bring money. Great recruits cost money. Pay elite recruits= Winning big games. Win more big games, earn more big money. The ROI is in the elite players. The Keeley's, The Dante Moore's. What I don't understand is why our alumni and fans treat it as if it's wrong and unethical. There isn't a moral high ground here. If anyone adopts that mindset then they are content with not EVER competing at the Championship level. We can try to join the IVY league if ND can clear those rigorous academic standards and gain acceptance.

 

[arahop]

As long as we can get some transfer coaches.......

Only when the BOT and Admissions losen up will we see the coaches and players who will in turn, contend with the elite teams. The coach with the most wins in program history walked out on ND Football one night and never came back. He climbed as far as he could.

 

[Irish4life]

Only when the BOT and Admissions losen up will we see the coaches and players who will in turn, contend with the elite teams. The coach with the most wins in program history walked out on ND Football one night and never came back. He climbed as far as he could.

Admissions and the BOT weren't the reason we didn't get the croots under BK.

 

[Irish4life]

Simple, winning football programs bring money. Great recruits cost money. Pay elite recruits= Winning big games. Win more big games, earn more big money. The ROI is in the elite players. The Keeley's, The Dante Moore's. What I don't understand is why our alumni and fans treat it as if it's wrong and unethical. There isn't a moral high ground here. If anyone adopts that mindset then they are content with not EVER competing at the Championship level. We can try to join the IVY league if ND can clear those rigorous academic standards and gain acceptance.

This is the classic dumb ND fan message board post. Thanks for the entertainment.

 

[stlnd01]

Simple, winning football programs bring money. Great recruits cost money. Pay elite recruits= Winning big games. Win more big games, earn more big money. The ROI is in the elite players. The Keeley's, The Dante Moore's. What I don't understand is why our alumni and fans treat it as if it's wrong and unethical. There isn't a moral high ground here. If anyone adopts that mindset then they are content with not EVER competing at the Championship level. We can try to join the IVY league if ND can clear those rigorous academic standards and gain acceptance.

Sure. We could and probably should do more with upfront NIL for top recruits. If that’s what we have to do to compete, I don’t really have a big problem with that. But I wasn’t really talking about us here.

I was talking about this system where the USC’s and Alabama’s can pay guys like Addison and Jamyr Gibbs - the best players on mid-major programs - to flip to their teams with zero penalty or even having to sit out a year, and why the Pitt’s and Ga. Tech’s - who are also P5 programs that theoretically have the same number of votes in these matters as USC and Alabama - would put up with it, or why their fans would continue to watch college football when their schools essentially become farm teams for their better-resourced rivals.

It’s not sustainable.

 

[arahop]

Admissions and the BOT weren't the reason we didn't get the croots under BK.

BK didn't work hard as a recruiter, Why didn't we get Keeley and Dante Moore. Why is our NIL game weak?

 

[arahop]

Sure. We could and probably should do more with upfront NIL for top recruits. If that’s what we have to do to compete, I don’t really have a big problem with that. But I wasn’t really talking about us here.

I was talking about this system where the USC’s and Alabama’s can pay guys like Addison and Jamyr Gibbs - the best players on mid-major programs - to flip to their teams with zero penalty or even having to sit out a year, and why the Pitt’s and Ga. Tech’s - who are also P5 programs that theoretically have the same number of votes in these matters as USC and Alabama - would put up with it, or why their fans would continue to watch college football when their schools essentially become farm teams for their better-resourced rivals.

It’s not sustainable.

I guess we can get with the times or hope for the occasional blowout in the Semis or always come up short against the OSU and top 10 teams when we play them. Like it or not, College Football is and always will be the Farm System for the NFL.

 

[indianamouse]

BK didn't work hard as a recruiter, Why didn't we get Keeley and Dante Moore. Why is our NIL game weak?

There’s no guarantee Keeley and Moore will be great college players. If they want to chase the bag, more power to them. Personally I’d prefer players that are hungry to prove themselves.

 

[Ray “The Mule” Finkle]

There’s no guarantee Keeley and Moore will be great college players. If they want to chase the bag, more power to them. Personally I’d prefer players that are hungry to prove themselves.

I agree on the guys that are hungry part. I think guaranteeing money to a 17 year old is going to spell disaster. What seems like a plan to make CJ Carr the undisputed dude for ND is about as risky as making Marcus Freeman our dude for ND. I sure hope we bring in some legit 4-5 star competition for him both this season and in 2025. As we all know, with most five star QBs, nobody remembers their name.

 

[Irish4life]

BK didn't work hard as a recruiter, Why didn't we get Keeley and Dante Moore. Why is our NIL game weak?

Our NIL game isn't weak, it's just not negotiated until the players sign LOIs.