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The Jameis Winston Investigation Thread
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What's that old expression, "where there's smoke, there's fire"? I don't completely blame FSU's culture of corruption on Fisher, he is just the puppet at the wheel of a program that has been corrupt since Bobby's days of the good ol' boy system....They've been the Cremi-Noles long before Fisher was ever there....
Keep in mind, Fisher didn't necessarily pull his name out of the Texas HC search until the very end, and he had a young Heisman-caliber QB and a Nat'l Champ-caliber team..... If there are rumblings of him jumping ship, then maybe he's looking to bail before he sinks with it because he knows stuff we don't and knows that it's just a matter of time before the whole system goes down; him included....
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It is entirely conceivable that at this point the university is so complicit in the misdeeds of JW, that they have to try to continue to bail him out until he goes pro at the end of the year, because he has too much dirt on many of them. I believe they are trying to keep this thing floating for a few more months until he is no longer associated with the University and they can begin to deflect a lot of the questions that are beginning to be formulated about all of them.
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I agree with you the problem is that JW really needs to stay another year as most pro teams have cooled on him with his poor choices especially with what is currently going on in the NFL. He really needs to stay another year to prove that he can stay out of trouble.
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FSU is bringing him up for a disciplinary hearing on sexual misconduct. Basically for breaking school rules to cover their ass. Also there are rumors that he is linked to the same memorabilia broker as Gurley. SI seems to think that he might choose a radical option of dropping out to avoid punishment at FSU and to avoid having to testify at the FSU hearing because it could later be used against him. Also they think that the woman will sue FSU, JW and the Tallahasee PD and that FSU might use his testimony against him to throw him under the bus.
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So does anyone really think Winston will pull out of FSU?
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I doubt it but it might be smart legally as the SI article points out. FSU now seems out to throw him under the bus to protect themselves.
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I think it would be brilliant, legally speaking, if he did leave the school....But I see him playing until the last moment possible, like having a hearing date set, and being a part of FSU up until 5 min before walking into the meeting, then announcing he's leaving (if he was to do such a legal move)....I can see how he would want to help his team be in the best postion possible to repeat, regardless of him being there or not at the end of the road, and that means he has to take the field against ND, because they ain't got squat behind him for QB....the 'Noles can run the table without him after the ND game; but they can't beat ND without Winston...plain and simple....
I'm hoping the Nat'l Media (ESPN) turns up the heat on everything Winston this week and forces his hand or just creates a big distraction....I think by the week's end ppl will be tired of the Winston-act more than they grew tired of the Manziel-immature-amateur-hour show, and he will be one of the most despised college player's nationally....
Winston has shown his character....so many things from rape to autograph's to hot crab legs to doing something with some poor lady's cat and back to the rape again and he has only missed 1 friggin' game....you can tell no one laid down the law with this kid ever in his life...and if FSU won't do it, then rest assured the legal system has no problem marrying FSU to Winston via lawsuit for all the shady crap he's pulled while they did nothing.....It's a culture of corruption down there...it's been one looonnnnggg before Jameis showed up....but he has pulled so many stupid stunts...done so much stupid crap...that he is finally the one who they just couldn't cover-up anymore...he was too stupid for his own good....and, maybe now, he'll have to make some tough choices or face some tough legal questions later...about dang time.
BTW....I hope JW is on the field next week, just so we can say we beat them at their best, with their best....and so that we can send poor Jameis into college football exile with the @$$ whipping of a lifetime!
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So what you're saying is FSU will set the hearing for some time after the season and bowl games so he can duck out and he won't have to testify and they can claim their own story
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FSU is ACC
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I don't mean this combatively, but if that's your conclusion after reading the various latest articles, then the authors or you have very much misunderstood the situation.
FSU, their fans, and the infrastructure that keeps the engine pumping here in hickahassee are FAR from throwing him under the bus. It's an "us against the world" deal. They will do everything in their power to protect the football program and the functional illiterates that play on the team because they believe the world is out to tear them down. They project the whole "gators vs noles" thing onto the world at large and it's mind numbing.
Those people on the committee will be under enormous pressure to return a favorable decision and I really doubt they see all the information they need to come to a intelligent and reasoned judgment. I'm hoping the truth comes out, the walls are thrown down and the pits are laid bare, but believe me, they have circled the wagons.
FSU the new Miami.
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You nailed it.....We hold our kids out for weeks and have a frustrating waiting period while they have hearings....they will hold their hearing when they're darn good and ready (meaning AFTER the ND game); and all the while, JW will stay on the field the whole time while he waits for said hearing before he skips town....his goal is get FSU as close he can to the playoff; and then he can duck and run....and FSU gets to makes up their own story that better fits their liking and everything gets swept under the rug....no biggie....wtf smh....
I would wonder if the conference commish would get involved to stop this ridiculousness, but why would he? FSU and Winston are making tons of money for the ACC and he is probably benefiting in some way from this whole mess too....maybe he gets free seafood when he visits FSU.....
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For sure, these schools just sweep everything under the rug.
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Sure sounds that way on discipline. Anyone know if they oversign?
Lets look at FSU's cheating scandal and how they handle the Winston scandal.
Florida State Punished For Cheating Scandal (But Not Really)
Florida State Punished For Cheating Scandal (But Not Really)
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Actually, I think you have the pulse of most of the fans, students, and people involved with the university, however I think you are wrong when it comes to the highest levels of the University (now, not when this all started happening but the last month or so). They have become worried about the Title 9 investigation and about a potential lawsuit from the young women who was (or clams to have been) sexually assaulted and are starting to think of how they can cover their ass. There is a reason that they have now scheduled a hearing, there is a reason that they won't have anyone from the University hearing it, and there is a reason his suspension against Clemson was turned into a full game instead of a half (hint it was the President getting involved). I agree that 99.999% of FSU people protect him and think everyone is trying to screw him but the other .001% are the people that have power (the interim President, the incoming President and possibly the AD if you believe the report that he was involved in lengthening the suspension to a full game).
Did someone in a position of authority believe that a rape occurred and decide to protect football?
It's the same question I asked about Seeberg.
When you cover up cheating or a stolen scooter it's like a little white lie to your conscience. But a violent, scarring, traumatic, and life changing sex crime just doesn't go away to the victim or to anyone else. It festers and eats at anyone involved in a cover up to the degree that much like Seeberg, we'd know the truth by now.
I just have such a hard time believing that reality has anything to do with any of the details discussed about corruption in Tallahassee and at FSU. Yes they cheat in recruiting, help players cheat on tests, look the other way when they are shooting each other with BB guns, try to minimize things when a scooter goes missing... I think that goes on everywhere to varying degrees.
BUT... but...
a rape? Really? That's what we think of the police and prosecutors there? I just can't get there.
It's the same question I asked about Seeberg.
When you cover up cheating or a stolen scooter it's like a little white lie to your conscience. But a violent, scarring, traumatic, and life changing sex crime just doesn't go away to the victim or to anyone else. It festers and eats at anyone involved in a cover up to the degree that much like Seeberg, we'd know the truth by now.
I just have such a hard time believing that reality has anything to do with any of the details discussed about corruption in Tallahassee and at FSU. Yes they cheat in recruiting, help players cheat on tests, look the other way when they are shooting each other with BB guns, try to minimize things when a scooter goes missing... I think that goes on everywhere to varying degrees.
BUT... but...
a rape? Really? That's what we think of the police and prosecutors there? I just can't get there.
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Then you would be wrong.
Campus sex assaults stir controversy at Occidental College - UPI.com
No Justice for College Rape Victims | The Nation
Also the whole PSU issue is another great example of schools covering up these types of issues though in a completely different way.
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