The Dayne Crist Thread

[Senoj13]

Go to ****in rivals if your gonna be like that. I can understand questioning a foot, leg etc, but a head injury? And it wasn't even his call to leave the game. Its ok to be critical of his play, but your being an ******* about it. Could you imagine if he went back in diring the first and got reinjured? Kelly and staff would have a **** strorm on their hands. Oh yea and you'd probably be bitching how he never shoulda gone back in.

Re-read your post. Its ok to question a leg? So if he toughes it out with a knee and blows out the ACL, then you are ok with that? Be consistent.

Unless you are on the sideline, your vantage point and opinions are based on the same NBC feed as mine. We knew nothing about the injury from NBC other than what you could come up with on your own. Again, I had to question if he was benched by the way he looked to me.

I will agree with phork's post with his point that this was only game two. I will be glad to eat my words if this is the only instance of this.

 

[JughedJones]

Re-read your post. Its ok to question a leg? So if he toughes it out with a knee and blows out the ACL, then you are ok with that? Be consistent.

Unless you are on the sideline, your vantage point and opinions are based on the same NBC feed as mine. We knew nothing about the injury from NBC other than what you could come up with on your own. Again, I had to question if he was benched by the way he looked to me.

I will agree with phork's post with his point that this was only game two. I will be glad to eat my words if this is the only instance of this.

We knew it was a head injury... We knew they were giving him smelling salts.

Are you really saying he was scared so he didn't WANT to go back in?

Get a grip dude.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Again, I had to question if he was benched by the way he looked to me.

I will agree with phork's post with his point that this was only game two. I will be glad to eat my words if this is the only instance of this.

You're totally missing the point.

It wasn't his call. There is a medical staff for that kind of thing. We're not playing in the 70s anymore. We know more about sports injuries.

People talk about Jimmy being tough because he played with turf toe last year. He was.

But, that's just a nagging type injury that won't necessarily mess up his life. Dayne had stuff going on with his head and face. He wasn't allowed to go back in.

It's not about how tough he is.

 

[KPENN]

Re-read your post. Its ok to question a leg? So if he toughes it out with a knee and blows out the ACL, then you are ok with that? Be consistent.

Unless you are on the sideline, your vantage point and opinions are based on the same NBC feed as mine. We knew nothing about the injury from NBC other than what you could come up with on your own. Again, I had to question if he was benched by the way he looked to me.

I will agree with phork's post with his point that this was only game two. I will be glad to eat my words if this is the only instance of this.

I'm saying if he has a turf toe and stays out then you can question that. The point i was trying to make is you can't mess with a head injury.

I told u why he was benched there was an article on SI about it. He got pulled from the game by the staff and they made him sit out.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

People don't realize that we're in a different era. Coaches and players regularly defer to the medical professionals. That is as it should be.

 

[Senoj13]

We knew it was a head injury... We knew they were giving him smelling salts.

Are you really saying he was scared so he didn't WANT to go back in?

Get a grip dude.

What was your reaction when you saw Rees in the game right out of commercial?

What was your reaction when you saw Montana in the game right after that?

What was your reaction when you saw Crist warming up with about 6 minutes to go in the half?

I'm no doctor, but if the medical staff even had a thought of concussion, would/should they have let him play in the 2nd half?

 

[mgriff]

It's called precaution. Not seeing out of your right eye or remembering the play is a pretty legitimate cause for concern. I'd love to see how big your balls are tough guy. The dude got hurt and was told he couldn't go back in, so now it's a cause to question his toughness? You are being foolish and after I post this, I won't be dignifying any of your posts with a response.

 

[KPENN]

What was your reaction when you saw Rees in the game right out of commercial?

What was your reaction when you saw Montana in the game right after that?

What was your reaction when you saw Crist warming up with about 6 minutes to go in the half?

I'm no doctor, but if the medical staff even had a thought of concussion, would/should they have let him play in the 2nd half?

What does our reactions about the backup qb's have to do anything?

Simple. Dayne You don't have a concussion, but we're gonna wait till your vision starts to clear up before you go back in.

 

[JughedJones]

What was your reaction when you saw Rees in the game right out of commercial?

What was your reaction when you saw Montana in the game right after that?

What was your reaction when you saw Crist warming up with about 6 minutes to go in the half?

I'm no doctor, but if the medical staff even had a thought of concussion, would/should they have let him play in the 2nd half?

So you do think he was scared to go in then.

Neg reps. Toolio Iglaesias.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I'm no doctor...

Stop!

There you go. Neither am I. The medical professionals were on the sidelines talking to Dayne Crist. You were on your couch.

 

[Senoj13]

Stop!

There you go. Neither am I. The medical professionals were on the sidelines talking to Dayne Crist. You were on your couch.

As were you. And 90% of the rest of this board. So all we are left to do is watch and form opionions. Right or Wrong.

Maybe durable and "toughness" are not the same thing, but review #8 in the mods post from page one. Staying on the field is a question mark. Not my words.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

As were you. And 90% of the rest of this board. So all we are left to do is watch and form opionions. Right or Wrong.

Maybe durable and "toughness" are not the same thing, but review #8 in the mods post from page one. Staying on the field is a question mark. Not my words.

Now we agree. I was on my couch. I'm not an athletic trainer. I don't know what his symptoms were. They have told us some things, but we don't know exactly what his symptoms were. So, I'm trusting the people who know. They were on the sidelines.

Durable and toughness are not at all the same thing. Not even close. He might be injury prone. That doesn't make him weak. That doesn't mean he's afraid to take a hit.

That's where you lose me.

 

[Senoj13]

I would argue that injury prone and durable are not the same thing. Injury prone is unlucky. Being durable is the ability to take a hit over and over and to keep coming back. That is where the jury is still out.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I would argue that injury prone and durable are not the same thing. Injury prone is unlucky. Being durable is the ability to take a hit over and over and to keep coming back. That is where the jury is still out.

That doesn't have anything do to with how tough he is. The toughest guy in the world might not be durable. One is medical, one is mental.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Maybe durable and "toughness" are not the same thing, but review #8 in the mods post from page one. Staying on the field is a question mark. Not my words.

I said that because I followed him in h.s., and he got hurt there, and he blew out his knee last year. But that has NOTHING to do with toughness. Toughness is playing a huge game coming off major knee surgery and running the option-read as if you've never been hurt in your life. Toughness is staying on the field to finish a drive with blurred vision, even running a QB sneak where you KNOW you're gonna get beat up. I never questioned his toughness.

See, the thing you're doing is questioning his heart by saying he should've come back on the field no matter what, which is complete b.s. because THE DOCTORS DIDN'T LET HIM. Many posters pointed this out to you but you haven't backed down from that statement, even though you were proven wrong. If Crist had gone into the locker for the rest of the half and came out for the 2nd half, you wouldn't be questioning it, but b/c we all saw him standing on the sideline with a dumbfounded look, many people questioned the severity of the injury. If you can't see and you can't remember a play, in today's day and age, you ain't going back on the field. Sadly, too message board people don't get that...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I can't believe I'm not getting reps for any of this. I've been quite articulate.

 

[JughedJones]

I would argue that injury prone and durable are not the same thing. Injury prone is unlucky. Being durable is the ability to take a hit over and over and to keep coming back. That is where the jury is still out.

I still don't think you get it.

The trainers and med staff kept him out, not him.

 

[Senoj13]

I said that because I followed him in h.s., and he got hurt there, and he blew out his knee last year. But that has NOTHING to do with toughness. Toughness is playing a huge game coming off major knee surgery and running the option-read as if you've never been hurt in your life. Toughness is staying on the field to finish a drive with blurred vision, even running a QB sneak where you KNOW you're gonna get beat up. I never questioned his toughness.

See, the thing you're doing is questioning his heart by saying he should've come back on the field no matter what, which is complete b.s. because THE DOCTORS DIDN'T LET HIM. Many posters pointed this out to you but you haven't backed down from that statement, even though you were proven wrong. If Crist had gone into the locker for the rest of the half and came out for the 2nd half, you wouldn't be questioning it, but b/c we all saw him standing on the sideline with a dumbfounded look, many people questioned the severity of the injury. If you can't see and you can't remember a play, in today's day and age, you ain't going back on the field. Sadly, too message board people don't get that...

ND...you are right with your statement that if he had gone to the locker room. If he had, I would have thought the injury was more severe. But seeing him on the sideline, warming up, not getting much information, I had to wonder.

 

[Senoj13]

That doesn't have anything do to with how tough he is. The toughest guy in the world might not be durable. One is medical, one is mental.

Sorry, I disagree. The toughest guy is durable.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Sorry, I disagree. The toughest guy is durable.

If the toughest, most durable guy on the field is told to sit by the medical staff...he sits.

I'm out.

 

[JughedJones]

Sorry, I disagree. The toughest guy is durable.

You disagree?

Oh forget it.

I think we're all getting trolled.

 

[KPENN]

You disagree?

Oh forget it.

I think we're all getting trolled.

I'm done its pointless

 

[Senoj13]

I'm done its pointless

we'll see. hopefully I'm wrong and he never sits another minute.

 

[IrishInColumbus]

^^...unless Notre Dame is up 40 points in the fourth quarter.

 

[KPENN]

^^...unless Notre Dame is up 40 points in the fourth quarter.

He'll have a headache and ask the coaching staff to pull him. (Sarcasm) lol

 

[IrishinSyria]

If you can't see and you can't remember a play, in today's day and age, you ain't going back on the field. Sadly, too message board people don't get that...

Ok, not to kick a dead horse. But Crist FORGOT A PLAY!! If I had any say whatsoever and I knew that, there is a zero percent chance I would let him anywhere near the field. Zero. Not just for the half, for the game. Maybe the month. The discussion should not be "is Crist tough or not" the discussion (if you really feel like we should talk about Crist's injury) is why was he back on the field in the second half.

I do feel somewhat frustrated by this. Both at Senoj, who really has made himself look bad on this issue, and at the thought that Crist may have played while concussed. So now, I'm going to abuse the spam filter.

**** ****IN HAIRY ****ING **** ON YOUR MOMS ****ING ****

 

[mrmiller8]

Putting all aside I am hoping Dayne will stay healthy the rest of the season becuase if not we are staring a 5-7 season in the mouth.

On another note durability and toughness are the same thing to a certain extent. Playing with broken ribs, sprained ankle, bruised knee, stinger, whatever is TOUGH. Two things happen when you have a tough kid. One, he is either really stupid, which is typically the case. Two he is just too damn stubborn to come out or tell anyone and his pain tolerance is so high that know one knows hes hurt. Unfortunately when your a quarterback at ND and your THE ONLY qb, your health is monitored similar to a cancer patient so there is no way that he could have hid his injury when forgetting a play. Not his choice no matter what, and in the long run he should have been placed on the sideline, he is far too valuable of an asset to lose in the 2nd game of the season.

 

[dublinirish]

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[ACamp1900]

Times flies,… the last post in this thread prior to today was 13 years ago???

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

This is the most DublinIrish bump I've ever seen.

Also, I saw the thread and worried that he got injured - again. PTSD is strong folks