Man it's getting ugly

[ACamp1900]

obviously not realizing (or more likely caring about) the self defeating nature of his argument Colin Cowheard talked for at least twenty minutes today on how Notre Dame football is no longer relevent.. he portrayed ND fans as nerds and all the haters and logical and non biased... 'ND isn't that young, plenty of teams are much younger that are winning' (He failed to mention that those teams have a good mix and is led by Seniors where we have Bruton and Crum for the most part) it was pretty brutal... he even acknowledged the legitimacy of an email from Tennessee (go figure right) that said if ND gets into ANY bowl game it is ONLY b/c of the schedule and ratings, they wouldn't have earned a thing, no matter how small the bowl is...

okay a couple things... I know it has been hammered to death... they bash our school... we defend it (like ANY fan base would) thenthey bash us for beliving in our boys and call us blind homers... as if Nebraska fans wouldn't be defensive if they were constantly attacked and we go round and round in circles...

I know there are a handfull of posters here who don't not care about this but for myself and the majority it is stuff like this that makes the passion of cfb so much better than all other sports so there is that inevitable point

the obvious is this all ends if we just win a freaking big game... that's why I stessed the Pitt game, and yeah... ND just can't win a big game if Mom's life depended on it over the last 10 years... until we do we have to sit and listen to crap like ND doesn't deserve ANY BOWL GAME... we had a great great chance to do it this year and blew it and now nothing short of beating SC will gain us that respect that is obviously completely gone at this point... now I'm not talking about hype or hate, I'm talking about respect... totally different, we have always been hyped and hated but we where also for teh most part respected... and that bothers me... besides respect from some areas is needed, without that BCS games, and poll position are a thing of the past for any team, us incluced...

long to short... Notre Dame not only should, but MUST have a legit two year run starting next year if we hope to return to where we expect to be during the Weis era or the public perception will continue to become media perception and vice versa hurting ND in recruiting, polls and so on... I see it only getting worse. Irish, just win the damn games...

 

[phork]

6-6 gets anyone into a bowl game, frankly if you aren't 8-4 you shouldn't go to a bowl game. Too many damn games as it is.
My expectation for next year is 11-1, next year there are no more excuses, NONE. If we can't get 11 wins next year, with that schedule then we should be looking at who can get us to that next level.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I never liked Herder Boy. I will say this........winning cures all.

 

[SteveM]

Measured Apoplexy

Measured Apoplexy

long to short... Notre Dame not only should, but MUST have a legit two year run starting next year if we hope to return to where we expect to be during the Weis era or the public perception will continue to become media perception and vice versa hurting ND in recruiting, polls and so on... I see it only getting worse. Irish, just win the damn games...

AC,

I agree with what you are saying. The mistake the "outsiders" make is that there is some fail-safe threshold of legitimacy at which point ND will be consigned to the trash heap of former football power houses like Fordham and Penn.

That's all crap. Hopefully, it will be Charlie who resurrects the program, but if not, someone else will step in and get it done.

I always look at examples that validate a proposition. OK, so I'll toss out Greg Schiano and Rutgers for this one. Who wudda thunk it? I was born in Jersey and I tell ya, he got those guys going and believing. And if Schiano can do it at Rutgers, who sez it can't be done again at ND?

BTW, if Charlie can't get it done, the transition out of mediocrity will be long and painful.

SteveM

 

[phork]

No, we just need a great college coach.

 

[irishandy]

You know the way I see this is that Colin Cowherd is your typical bandwagon Notre Dame fan. When we are winning he picks us to be the National Champion and when we are losing ND is the worst team ever. Notre Dame is a young team right now and on paper things are looking up for us.
Steve M: your last comment, "That's all crap. Hopefully, it will be Charlie who resurrects the program, but if not, someone else will step in and get it done." I disagree with you on that. If we let Charlie go who in the hell is going to come and coach at ND?? If I were a head coach and looked at the program w/ the past 3 coaches: Davie, Willingham, and Weis, I would think to myself that I will only be good for 3 or 4 years. It would be a mistake for ND to get rid of Weis. If we did, I would only want to go after one person and that would be John Gruden. Seems like Cowherd is being your typical prick of a ND hater right now....

 

[NDinL.A.]

I love Cowherd; listen to him on the way to work every morning (although Patrick gets a lot of my time now too). I disagree with him a lot, but I like him because he doesn't hide the fact that his show (and EVERY show) is driven by ratings. He won't talk about last night's Ottawa-Ducks game because no one wants to hear about that stuff (sorry OCIrish!!). So the reason he says that about ND is because ND is so polarizing, people will listen. ND-Backers will email him (but they won't turn off the radio), and 'haters' (man I hate that word) will nod and say hell yeah.

Now, you and I know he sounds like a blowhard when talking ND football. He's the same guy who was kissing CW's arse when he was winning. He used to LOVE to say how NFL coaches coaching in college are the best possible fits because of their superior knowledge (Weis, Carroll, etc). He also always fails to mention the disasters (Wannstedte, Groh, Weis???). He talks on both sides of his ass and he knows it. He's an entertainer first, sports guy second.

Anyways, ACamp said it best when he said we need to start a run of diominance starting not only next year, but hell, this week at BC. USC is a dream at this point, but we can start building towards a 10-2 season next year RIGHT FREAKIN' NOW. I've seen bad coaches before, and I don't think CW falls into that category. I think he's the guy to lead us through. I could easily be wrong, but I hope beyond hope that I'm not. The recruits are here and more are coming. Those who want to fire CW already have no idea what starting over will entail for this team. With the system and the studs in place, we need to give CW another year to see what he can do again with a veteran team. We all saw what happened last time he had a veteran team, and those guys weren't as talented as the ones we'll have next year...

 

[ACamp1900]

I love Cowherd; listen to him on the way to work every morning (although Patrick gets a lot of my time now too). I disagree with him a lot, but I like him because he doesn't hide the fact that his show (and EVERY show) is driven by ratings. He won't talk about last night's Ottawa-Ducks game because no one wants to hear about that stuff (sorry OCIrish!!). So the reason he says that about ND is because ND is so polarizing, people will listen. ND-Backers will email him (but they won't turn off the radio), and 'haters' (man I hate that word) will nod and say hell yeah.

I like his show too but that shit drives me nuts... OKAY you don't like hockey, then don't freaking talk about it... why do you have to bash it and call NHL fans names for ten minutes when you could have just as easily just ran scores for that time and left everyone happy... I go through runs where I flat out don't listen, more so now that he suddenly LOVES the snooze fest that is the NBA but still insists on bashing Hockey and Baseball... I have thought for a long time he should just have a football show and not talk any other sports period

 

[SteveM]

Pick of the Litter

Pick of the Litter

Steve M: your last comment, "That's all crap. Hopefully, it will be Charlie who resurrects the program, but if not, someone else will step in and get it done." I disagree with you on that. If we let Charlie go who in the hell is going to come and coach at ND?? If I were a head coach and looked at the program w/ the past 3 coaches: Davie, Willingham, and Weis, I would think to myself that I will only be good for 3 or 4 years. It would be a mistake for ND to get rid of Weis. If we did, I would only want to go after one person and that would be John Gruden. Seems like Cowherd is being your typical prick of a ND hater right now....

IH, et al.,

If you look at the last FIVE coaches (Jerry Faust and Lou) along with the other 3, Holz was the only guy that came in as proven winner at the collegiate level. (Ty, just sorta at Stanford). If ND has to make a move, you can't tell me that a Schiano, Paul Johnson type who has proven he can motivate and win at D-IA would not want the ND job.

And that will be ND's next hire for sure if forced to make one. Not a coordinator type. But a guy who got it done. (Maybe Bill Cowher )

SteveM

 

[NDinL.A.]

IH, et al.,

If you look at the last FIVE coaches (Jerry Faust and Lou) along with the other 3, Holz was the only guy that came in as proven winner at the collegiate level. (Ty, just sorta at Stanford). If ND has to make a move, you can't tell me that a Schiano, Paul Johnson type who has proven he can motivate and win at D-IA would not want the ND job.

And that will be ND's next hire for sure if forced to make one. Not a coordinator type. But a guy who got it done. (Maybe Bill Cowher )

SteveM

And Rutgers sucks this year, so would you want him canned at Rutgers like they want CW canned? I mean, think about it, he won the last 2 years when he had good players, but now he has young players and they stink, but yet you are mentioning him as good enough to possibly replace CW. Same thing w/ Paul Johnson, who is doing the exact same thing at GT in his first (3/4ths of a) year that CW did in his first two years.

I know you're just bringing up a possible scenario, so I'm not banging on you for that. Admittedly, Schiano turned around Rutgers, which is pretty much unheard of. And I think you're right, a proven college coach will probably be the way we go if we ever fire CW. I just don't think that those 2 examples have proven enough to be considered 'the guy', when they basically have done exactly what CW has done...

 

[NDinL.A.]

I like his show too but that shit drives me nuts... OKAY you don't like hockey, then don't freaking talk about it... why do you have to bash it and call NHL fans names for ten minutes when you could have just as easily just ran scores for that time and left everyone happy... I go through runs where I flat out don't listen, more so now that he suddenly LOVES the snooze fest that is the NBA but still insists on bashing Hockey and Baseball... I have thought for a long time he should just have a football show and not talk any other sports period

Yeah, I feel you. I used to like the NHL but when the lockout happened, I turned to other things, and now that I can't even find a hockey game on most nights, I just never regained interest. Nothing personal against its fans, hell, I love soccer for Pete's sake (rip on me all you want). But he's speaking about me when he talks about how hockey turned off its fans. Still, you're right, there's no need to rant and get personal; when he does that I turn to Dan Patrick!

 

[Junkhead]

ND has a huge fanbase, so good or bad, they find a way to talk about them. The need to win a big game is painfully obvious. Too many of us have become accustomed to mediocrity.

 

[SteveM]

Manifestations of Vibe

Manifestations of Vibe

And Rutgers sucks this year, so would you want him canned at Rutgers like they want CW canned? I mean, think about it, he won the last 2 years when he had good players, but now he has young players and they stink, but yet you are mentioning him as good enough to possibly replace CW. Same thing w/ Paul Johnson, who is doing the exact same thing at GT in his first (3/4ths of a) year that CW did in his first two years.

I know you're just bringing up a possible scenario, so I'm not banging on you for that. Admittedly, Schiano turned around Rutgers, which is pretty much unheard of. And I think you're right, a proven college coach will probably be the way we go if we ever fire CW. I just don't think that those 2 examples have proven enough to be considered 'the guy', when they basically have done exactly what CW has done...

Left Coastie,

Yikes! You're on fire!

Concede, Schiano and Johnson have not yet proven sustainable. It's hard to convey on an LCD, but even this year, Rutgers clubbed Pitt. There are guys out there that can transmit the "Vibe". You know what I mean? I just think they'd want to coach at ND.

SteveM

P.S. Charlie is Wade Phillips vibe-wise at this point in time

 

[NDinL.A.]

P.S. Charlie is Wade Phillips vibe-wise at this point in time

I just puked on myself. Please don't say that, I'm begging you. If that's true, we're done for.

BTW, sometimes NBC will go to the ground camera right next to CW, and boy, that man is salty. He really gets after those refs, and his players. I love when I see that side of him. We usually see the cordial side, but he definitely gets after it. However, his detractors will say that his players don't play with that fire nearly often enough, which I'd have to agree with...

 

[rogosIRISH77]

I will say this........winning cures all.

Ok, honestly I don't know that winning does cure all... It's because we've won so much in the past that people hate us. Now, there are plenty of programs that are far more mediocre than us. People hate on ND because we have won... it really wasn't that long ago, Weis' first two seasons were successful, outside of the bowl losses... If we really were "irrelevant" to college football then people would not be talking about us, duh cow-terd.

Example: I'll go as far as saying if we were to beat USC this season, we would gain minimal respect. It's true, because it is the Irish, they would call it a 'fluke'. It fucking sucks and I'm sick of this shit. Like in '05 when we had a legitimately good football team, and we had the game won against the best team in the nation, and then it was taken from us by a cheat of a play and the refs. Yet, people still had the fucking nerve to say how it was stupid for us to make a bcs game...

I tend to believe that nothing will change that much, people literally hate Notre Dame. A nat'l championship could shut up haters for a while... but we all know there would still be a dumbass claiming that we still aren't good or some crap. All I can say to ND haters, is fuck you, fuck you all, and have fun hating on us for the rest of eternity because we aren't leaving this historic college football picture EVER. thank you all

 

[phork]

10-2 is unacceptable next year.

 

[irish4ever]

10-2 is unacceptable next year.

The "big" games next year ...
@ Michigan
Mich. State (always give the Irish all they want)
U$C
@ Pitt (should'va, could'va, .... this year, I know)
@ Standford (I think they'll improve each yr. under Harbaugh)
Boston College (again, always give the Irish all they want)

So the Irish need to win a min. 5 of these 6, plus beat the 6 "pud" teams on their schedule. Very attainable, but it won't be a "cake walk" either ... not based on current results.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

I have said it before on here and I will say it again. Colin Shit-terd is a waste of life and he is dead to me.

 

[SteveM]

Standing on the Shoulders of Literary Giants

Standing on the Shoulders of Literary Giants

I have said it before on here and I will say it again. Colin Shit-terd is a waste of life and he is dead to me.

Hah! The opening line to Chapter II of PADOMER's passionate epic!

And rogos ("All I can say to ND haters, is fuck you, fuck you all, and have fun hating on us for the rest of eternity because we aren't leaving this historic college football picture EVER")

Offers his own mordant critiques for possible insertion!

Is there a possible collaboration in the making between these two later day Hemingways!?

I smell synergy!

SteveM

P.S. An Amazon pre-pub prediction has this opus knocking off Audacity of Hope from the top spot even before the world collapses under the new Prez's watch.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Hah! The opening line to Chapter II of PADOMER's passionate epic!

And rogos ("All I can say to ND haters, is fuck you, fuck you all, and have fun hating on us for the rest of eternity because we aren't leaving this historic college football picture EVER")

Offers his own mordant critiques for possible insertion!

Is there a possible collaboration in the making between these two later day Hemingways!?

I smell synergy!

SteveM

P.S. An Amazon pre-pub prediction has this opus knocking off Audacity of Hope from the top spot even before the world collapses under the new Prez's watch.

You are just too absolutely fucking funny.

I kinda liked rogos's post.

Cool thread.

 

[mick2]

05' and 06' cowherd had his head so far up charlies ass you couldn't tell where charlie ended and cowherd began.

i think thats the saying.

Anyways he just does this to get a rise out of nd fans and haters alike, college football is cyclical and while we've been in a down cycle for a while its obvious that with the talent coming in that we will be heading nowhere but up and staying there for a long time.

to say that ND will never be relevant again is bs, for one, college football just isnt college football without a good Irish team, just like baseball wasnt very interesting once the yanks and sox were out of it. so believe you me, colin if anyone is probably pulling harder than anybody else that ND turns it around so his beloved sport of college football is once again where it should be with ND on top, but until then he'll toss out this crap so he can get ratings and bla bla bla, but thats why i listen to local sports radio more often.

and reason #2

WE ARE F%$%ING NOTRE DAME.

 

[Irish74]

6-6 gets anyone into a bowl game, frankly if you aren't 8-4 you shouldn't go to a bowl game. Too many damn games as it is.
My expectation for next year is 11-1, next year there are no more excuses, NONE. If we can't get 11 wins next year, with that schedule then we should be looking at who can get us to that next level.

11-1, then when do we start beating USC? Is that ever going to be this programs goal. or is an automatic loss every year just something we have to live with because we foolishly expect our recruits to know how to read.

 

[rogosIRISH77]

11-1, then when do we start beating USC? Is that ever going to be this programs goal. or is an automatic loss every year just something we have to live with because we foolishly expect our recruits to know how to read.

I agree bro. If we are a "great" football program, which I truly believe we are. Then every game should be looked at as a potential WIN. You can't be unrealistic and not think that other teams will be tougher than others. Football, especially at the college level, is a sport where you must take each game one at a time. The most important game of the season should always be the next one on your schedule, it's true because we've all seen some crazy shit happen (upsets, comebacks, etc).

Sure, we haven't beat the condoms in a while, but is that a streak that we will just assume to continue? I sure as hell won't. Using the exaple of and 11-1 record next season, I would honestly rather beat those fuckers next year, and drop a turd on the road at Pitt or something like that. I still think we should be playing to win every game, and I really hope we can go into LA this year and give those USC condom bastards the ass-whoopingest upset they'll ever get.

This is our duty as Irish fans to keep the hope alive. Wake up the echoes, and let our boys shake down the thunder. I will never assume a loss to my team, and I hope all of you won't do that either.

 

[mick2]

I agree bro. If we are a "great" football program, which I truly believe we are. Then every game should be looked at as a potential WIN. You can't be unrealistic and not think that other teams will be tougher than others. Football, especially at the college level, is a sport where you must take each game one at a time. The most important game of the season should always be the next one on your schedule, it's true because we've all seen some crazy shit happen (upsets, comebacks, etc).

Sure, we haven't beat the condoms in a while, but is that a streak that we will just assume to continue? I sure as hell won't. Using the exaple of and 11-1 record next season, I would honestly rather beat those fuckers next year, and drop a turd on the road at Pitt or something like that. I still think we should be playing to win every game, and I really hope we can go into LA this year and give those USC condom bastards the ass-whoopingest upset they'll ever get.

This is our duty as Irish fans to keep the hope alive. Wake up the echoes, and let our boys shake down the thunder. I will never assume a loss to my team, and I hope all of you won't do that either.

Amen brother!!!!!!!!!!

 

[fortwayne_nd]

I have said it before on here and I will say it again. Colin Shit-terd is a waste of life and he is dead to me.

Well said. This guy is just a loud mouth know-it-all. Its rare to hear anything intelligent on radio or television...a sign of the times.

 

[phork]

The "big" games next year ...
@ Michigan
Mich. State (always give the Irish all they want)
U$C
@ Pitt (should'va, could'va, .... this year, I know)
@ Standford (I think they'll improve each yr. under Harbaugh)
Boston College (again, always give the Irish all they want)

So the Irish need to win a min. 5 of these 6, plus beat the 6 "pud" teams on their schedule. Very attainable, but it won't be a "cake walk" either ... not based on current results.

11-1, or nothing, and the one L should be a competitive L or a W.

 

[midwestguy]

Lots of Colin bashers. No need to shoot the messanger though. We aren't irrelevant, but we definitely have lost relevance. A lot of the Dome haters out there have valid complaints. We haven't won a Bowl game in forever. We are on NBC every weekend whether we are relevant or not. However, it all becomes moot as some above have said if we simply win. I think we do need to consider some other things as well though. Our schedule is an embarrasment this year and is again next year. We shouldn't be scheduling teams like Duke & Syracuse ever. And don't give me the standard line that we do the schedule years in advance and can't know records. NEWSFLASH: Syracuse & Duke haven't been competitive in almost a decade.

I think we would become a better national power if we joined a conference. It isn't the 70s anymore. Being an Independent hurts us. I think we go ACC and stop living in the past. Just my $.02.

 

[phork]

ACC? Why? Natural area should dictate Big10 or NDs ties to the BigEast. Frankly I would rather join the Big10 over anyone else, if that ends up being the case.
The fact is being independent only hurts when you are losing. When you are winning, we are on TV almost every week. 6 wins guarantees you a bowl in any conference, but being ND we get bumped up a little. Making your own schedule helps as well.
There are almost no valid reasons to join a conference.

 

[midwestguy]

ACC? Why? Natural area should dictate Big10 or NDs ties to the BigEast. Frankly I would rather join the Big10 over anyone else, if that ends up being the case.
The fact is being independent only hurts when you are losing. When you are winning, we are on TV almost every week. 6 wins guarantees you a bowl in any conference, but being ND we get bumped up a little. Making your own schedule helps as well.
There are almost no valid reasons to join a conference.

One valid reason would be that everyone else of import is in a conference. As to the Big 10 & Big East, they are arguable, but not my preference. The Big East just went through a major overall and is still a young conference. The Big 10 plays boring football and don't have a conference championship game. In my mind, the ACC would be ideal and all the other sports could follow.

 

[NDinL.A.]

ACC? Why? Natural area should dictate Big10 or NDs ties to the BigEast. Frankly I would rather join the Big10 over anyone else, if that ends up being the case.
The fact is being independent only hurts when you are losing. When you are winning, we are on TV almost every week. 6 wins guarantees you a bowl in any conference, but being ND we get bumped up a little. Making your own schedule helps as well.
There are almost no valid reasons to join a conference.

Here's one MAJOR reason: We wouldn't have to bring the other conferences' refs to every one of our damn games. That reason alone has me screaming at the TV every single weekend that we need to join a conference. And if we did, Big 10 is the only logical conference. ND will prob never join a conference (at least in the foreseable future), but if they did, it would be the Big 10...