The Cav's Win the Draft Lottery...........Again

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Whoever we pick cant possibly be worse than Anthony Bennett.

 

[A Pac]

Un-freaking-real. Can you imagine how this team would look if they had drafted literally ANYONE but Bennett?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Un-freaking-real. Can you imagine how this team would look if they had drafted literally ANYONE but Bennett?

This is tough to say. It was an awful draft for forwards.

They took Bennett (4.2 ppg), but the next forward taken, Otto Porter, averaged 2.1ppg this season.

I'm not saying Bennett will amount to anything (although he was a out of high school and did well at UNLV so it's not like the pick was totally insane), but this was his ppg as the season went on:

Oct: 2.0
Nov: 2.2
Dec: 3.0
Jan: 3.6
Feb: 7.2
Mar: 5.0
Apr: 7.0

So, progress. If he develops into a stud, great. If he doesn't, oh well.

 

[GATTACA!]

This is tough to say. It was an awful draft for forwards.

They took Bennett (4.2 ppg), but the next forward taken, Otto Porter, averaged 2.1ppg this season.

I'm not saying Bennett will amount to anything (although he was a out of high school and did well at UNLV so it's not like the pick was totally insane), but this was his ppg as the season went on:

Oct: 2.0
Nov: 2.2
Dec: 3.0
Jan: 3.6
Feb: 7.2
Mar: 5.0
Apr: 7.0

So, progress. If he develops into a stud, great. If he doesn't, oh well.

Apparently he was incredibly out of shape to start the season due to the off season surgery. Like worse than was even speculated. With his reduced minutes after the slow start he was just starting to get back into shape by the end of the season.

Is he great.....absolutely not. But he isnt that much worse than the rest of that garbage draft class.

 

[Buster Bluth]

So who do they take? Wiggins? Parker? Embiid?

 

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So who do they take? Wiggins? Parker? Embiid?

I wouldn't touch Embiid so that will probably be the pick.

 

[dang227]

Wiggins. Deng is going to leave via free agency.


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[phillyirish]

Rigged.

 

[A Pac]

Rigged.

Thought about that. However if it were rigged the. Lakers would have the number 1 pick.

 

[Sweetness34]

I think they take Wiggins unless they trade for Kevin Love.

 

[phillyirish]

Thought about that. However if it were rigged the. Lakers would have the number 1 pick.

Nah Lakers adn Celtics 1-2 would be way to obvious. They are trying to make Cavs appealing for a possible Lebron return. The publicity on that would be the biggest thing to hit the NBA in decades. Seriously, a 1.7 pct chance or something to win it? BS although i guess Ill still take it over the lakers getting a lotto pick

 

[zelezo vlk]

Isn't that the odds the Bulls had when they got the first pick?

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[BleedBlueGold]

This pick will be interesting for the Cavs. Does anyone think they try and get Lebron back to Cleveland? I don't follow the team that closely, but a lineup of Kyrie, Lebron, Bennett, and #1 pick sounds pretty legit. Lebron can literally play anywhere from the 1 to the 3 so I'd look to grab another power forward. Aaron Gordon reminds me of Blake Griffin. Ever since I saw his high school tape for the first time, I felt that way. You don't have to rely on him for 20+ ppg w/ Kyrie and Lebron...he can be the high flyer around the rim, defender and rebounder. There's probably zero chance they take him #1 overall...but IF they can use the pick to lure Lebron, I think it changes their strategy. Wiggins may be the obvious choice regardless...but Parker is solid too.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I completely stopped paying attention to basketball back in January. What is up with Waiters and Irving at this point?

 

[brucejcarr]

100% FIXED! Ever since JB23 left their city, the league has bee S'in Their D hardcore.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I completely stopped paying attention to basketball back in January. What is up with Waiters and Irving at this point?

Why did you stop in January?

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[Circa]

So this Cav's team with the guy they have said for years is as good or better than Jordan (HOLY SHIT!) is now 5-5 with the Spurs just beating them by 2. LeBron is No Jordan! Does anyone still think he wasn't Trophy shopping?

 

[GATTACA!]

So this Cav's team with the guy they have said for years is as good or better than Jordan (HOLY SHIT!) is now 5-5 with the Spurs just beating them by 2. LeBron is No Jordan! Does anyone still think he wasn't Trophy shopping?

10 games in with 75% new roster and new coach that has zero NBA experience.

Chill

 

[TheTurningPoint]

They are just fine. The youth is already starting to develop and change their style of play. The biggest problem right now is at Shooting Guard. Dion Waiters isnt cutting it on either end of the floor and it speaks volumes he hasnt been on the floor to close any game to this point. Delladova and Harris have been in that role and thats not ideal. Harris is better than Delladova in my opinion and could develop into that roll, but they just need some type of production on the offensive end or the defensive end. Right now they arent getting either.

For the Cavs, its just about building chemistry and figuring each other out. The Heat started 9-8 in LeBron first year there and we know what happened down there.

 

[ndfi78]

As Golic said on M&M this morning, Miami started 9-8 the first year they all got there. Made it to the finals that year.

And lost to the Mavs! Yeah bitches.

 

[woolybug25]

The instant gratification crowd, sheesh.

I'm not saying he is Jordan, but hell... Jordan's first Bulls team went 38-44.

Talking sports is agonizing nowadays. People cant sit back and watch things develop, everything is NOW NOW NOW! Relax peoples.

 

[Irish#1]

So this Cav's team with the guy they have said for years is as good or better than Jordan (HOLY SHIT!) is now 5-5 with the Spurs just beating them by 2. LeBron is No Jordan! Does anyone still think he wasn't Trophy shopping?

I'm a Pacers fan and don't mind seeing Cleveland struggle, but the season has only begun. Just because a player or two are elite doesn't mean they mesh instantly. As TP pointed out, Miami wasn't setting the world on fire initially.

I remember when the Lakers had Chamberlain, West, Goodrich and Baylor. All HOF. They only won one title together in 72. Great players aren't a guarantee of success.

 

[zelezo vlk]

The problem isn't that the Cavs have been losing games. They have a major deficiency in defense. Before yesterday's game, they ranked somewhere in the mid-20s in most defensive rankings. Lebron, Kyrie, K Love make a great offensive Big 3. However, the latter two are sieves on defense. Cleveland has a legitimate problem, because a team will not win without a competent defense. I believe that the historic magic number is 12. So if Lebron and Co. can somehow manage a top 12 defense, they're legit title contenders. If not, then their odds drop dramatically.

 

[woolybug25]

The problem isn't that the Cavs have been losing games. They have a major deficiency in defense. Before yesterday's game, they ranked somewhere in the mid-20s in most defensive rankings. Lebron, Kyrie, K Love make a great offensive Big 3. However, the latter two are sieves on defense. Cleveland has a legitimate problem, because a team will not win without a competent defense. I believe that the historic magic number is 12. So if Lebron and Co. can somehow manage a top 12 defense, they're legit title contenders. If not, then their odds drop dramatically.

I'm not sure you are looking at the whole picture here. It's not like they aren't capable of playing defense. Lebron is a 5x first team all defensive player. Love and Kyrie certainly could improve defensively, but Lebron has historically been one of the best defensive players in the game.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

The problem isn't that the Cavs have been losing games. They have a major deficiency in defense. Before yesterday's game, they ranked somewhere in the mid-20s in most defensive rankings. Lebron, Kyrie, K Love make a great offensive Big 3. However, the latter two are sieves on defense. Cleveland has a legitimate problem, because a team will not win without a competent defense. I believe that the historic magic number is 12. So if Lebron and Co. can somehow manage a top 12 defense, they're legit title contenders. If not, then their odds drop dramatically.

They have played 10 games. A legitimate problem would be lack of defense in 72 games from now. The Cavs have improved dramatically from two weeks ago and will only get better.

I do agree that the defense does need to get better, but comes in line with finding a productive shooting guard. Harris is a rookie and he needs time. Delladova is a point guard that doesnt score, or play great defense. He is an effort player but has literally no stats that show effort. Marion is playing his role well. They need Dion Waiters to buy-in on both sides of the court and accept his role. So far, that hasnt been the case. Waiters has value so im sure that the Cavs will be on the phones shortly the way its going.

Acquiring Corey Brewer would be a great move for the Cavs.

 

[zelezo vlk]

They have played 10 games. A legitimate problem would be lack of defense in 72 games from now. The Cavs have improved dramatically from two weeks ago and will only get better.

I do agree that the defense does need to get better, but comes in line with finding a productive shooting guard. Harris is a rookie and he needs time. Delladova is a point guard that doesnt score, or play great defense. He is an effort player but has literally no stats that show effort. Marion is playing his role well. They need Dion Waiters to buy-in on both sides of the court and accept his role. So far, that hasnt been the case. Waiters has value so im sure that the Cavs will be on the phones shortly the way its going.

Acquiring Corey Brewer would be a great move for the Cavs.

I also think that Brewer would be a good pickup for the Cavs. However, I'm not sold on them actually winning a title (they could still easily win the East) until they resolve their defensive issues. And I'm just not sure that they will be able to do that this year with Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving.

 

[Circa]

Ok, can we rehash this rediculous situation? I almost feel there might be a cause to throw a Cleveland thread out there an see what lands. This crap about The Browns,The Cavs deserve not the coach of the future; the coach of now tells me there's more than meets the eye.

What has been going on in the 'Dog Pound' for the past 20 years? Who did they piss off?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Ok, can we rehash this rediculous situation? I almost feel there might be a cause to throw a Cleveland thread out there an see what lands. This crap about The Browns,The Cavs deserve not the coach of the future; the coach of now tells me there's more than meets the eye.

What has been going on in the 'Dog Pound' for the past 20 years? Who did they piss off?

The entire city of Cleveland was built on multiple Native American burial grounds and gypsy curses. The burning river was an omen.

 

[dshans]

The entire city of Cleveland was built on multiple Native American burial grounds and gypsy curses. The burning river was an omen.

That explains quite a bit about my many Cleveberg ND classmate-friends.

My sister-in-law apparently dodged the gris-gris.

Her brother? Maybe not so much.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Blatt sucks.