Swarbrick Email Response

[Irish4life]

Yep he is on Fridays during the season to give his picks and pitch his services. I've never known him to have inside info and frankly he isn't usually asked for it. Bill usually has the actual "insiders" on for that stuff, i.e. people from 247, On3, etc.

I remember Powers gleefully celebrating taking OSU to cover vs ND all summer, and how much money he was going to win off it. Whoops!

 

[ND03]

One thing that I think we are about to see a lot more of is discussion of what athlete employment means to Notre Dame. If NCAA athletes become employees, I read this email in conjunction with prior statements to clarify that ND will be out of major sports.

 

[Free Manera]

One thing that I think we are about to see a lot more of is discussion of what athlete employment means to Notre Dame. If NCAA athletes become employees, I read this email in conjunction with prior statements to clarify that ND will be out of major sports.

The one judge's question during hearing was hilarious. It was something like "Can anyone tell me how NCAA athletes aren't employees? The schools control their entire schedules."

 

[Irish4life]

One thing that I think we are about to see a lot more of is discussion of what athlete employment means to Notre Dame. If NCAA athletes become employees, I read this email in conjunction with prior statements to clarify that ND will be out of major sports.

I disagree because Swarbrick said that the number 1 goal was to promote the university, and exiting major college sports would kill off ND's best promotion tool.

 

[stlnd01]

One thing that I think we are about to see a lot more of is discussion of what athlete employment means to Notre Dame. If NCAA athletes become employees, I read this email in conjunction with prior statements to clarify that ND will be out of major sports.

I must say, I don't entirely understand why this is such a deal-breaker for us.
Lots of students have an employee-type relationship with the university, where they are students but also are expected to perform certain tasks in exchange for compensation (RAs, many graduate students, people with work-study jobs at the dining hall).
I'm sure we can find a way to structure student-athlete-hood that Notre Dame can live with. And if football players don't like it they can go elsewhere. We'll still get lots of good football players.

 

[ND03]

I disagree because Swarbrick said that the number 1 goal was to promote the university, and exiting major college sports would kill off ND's best promotion tool.

I understand that perspective, frankly I went to ND because of its national brand built on sports. But the perspective of the people making decisions at ND is that the Religious and Academic mission of the university are far more important than national sports.
To the other post:
If athletes become employees the issue is NIL —-> Salaries and ND will never get there.

 

[Giddyup]

All athletes given a benefits package? That’s a hell of a lot of money. A lot of programs will be cut.

 

[Free Manera]

All athletes given a benefits package? That’s a hell of a lot of money. A lot of programs will be cut.

Admin finally gets its wish! Seeya football. ND is an archery school now.

 

[PerthDomer]

Yep. Shut up. Don't justify or over explain. Certainly don't blast out a defensive-sounding lecture and then ask for money. Just do what you can to make the best of this unfortunate situation, learn from it, and move forward.

Personally I've always been a Swarbrick fan. I think he has navigated Notre Dame through some very tricky waters in college sports in recent years, and somehow turned Kelly's embarrassing departure into a win by hiring Freeman. All of which makes what has gone on since Rees left all the more baffling. It has been mistake after mistake, and it's unlike him.

Either way, Notre Dame football will survive. I for one was present for the entire decade of the 2000s and, wow, there were some dark times. This is nothing.

I dunno, the way this has gone I'm starting to think some of Kelly's issues with firing coordinators too late/hiring low profile guys might have been limitations from above.

 

[stlnd01]

I understand that perspective, frankly I went to ND because of its national brand built on sports. But the perspective of the people making decisions at ND is that the Religious and Academic mission of the university are far more important than national sports.
To the other post:
If athletes become employees the issue is NIL —-> Salaries and ND will never get there.

Why not?

A growing number of NIL collectives (including FUND I think?) already provide a certain base amount to every player (effectively a salary). Full-ride athletic scholarships already include a cost of living stipend, don't they? And Notre Dame employs students in other capacities.

So what is the practical difference between paying a grad student a $30,000 fellowship and paying a defensive back a $30,000 "salary"? You could make being an enrolled student a condition of employment if you want. That's fine.

I just don't really understand this deep moral objection we apparently have to student athletes being "employees," so much that we'd scuttle the entire athletic department over it.

 

[ND03]

Why not?

A growing number of NIL collectives (including FUND I think?) already provide a certain base amount to every player (effectively a salary). Full-ride athletic scholarships already include a cost of living stipend, don't they? And Notre Dame employs students in other capacities.

So what is the practical difference between paying a grad student a $30,000 fellowship and paying a defensive back a $30,000 "salary"? You could make being an enrolled student a condition of employment if you want. That's fine.

I just don't really understand this deep moral objection we apparently have to student athletes being "employees," so much that we'd scuttle the entire athletic department over it.

That set up would be fine, but the dynamic market side of this is you end up playing against schools that aren’t shy about this being full on minor league sports, at which point ND bows out because the mission is faith and academic.

EDIT:

Basically once Alabama is just the Tide sponsored by Alabama, the ecosystem formally changes away from student-athlete to just Athlete, and Notre Dame is out.

 

[T-Boone]

Do people believe Swarbricks explanation? I think he is lying as to what happened.

 

[Giddyup]

Who cares. He should have just kept quiet

 

[NDRock]

Do people believe Swarbricks explanation? I think he is lying as to what happened.

I don’t think he’s lying. He said,

I am comfortable sharing that while, prior to this week, our discussions with candidates never reached the point where we extended a formal offer, we communicated clearly in each and every instance that any offer we made would include our funding of their buyout with their current institution

So, the $2.8 million precluded them from making a formal offer. He’s technically telling the truth and we are right in thinking they are cheap fucks and the buyout was the reason it fell through.

 

[Plankton]

Here's Swarbrick trying this spiel out in front of a focus group:

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Feels like an overreaction IMO. Yes this has been a really shitty week, shittiest in a long time but c'mon now lol. Why does every time something bad happens it turn into some universal threat to ND football?

This is just the next in a long line of decisions by the admin.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I understand that perspective, frankly I went to ND because of its national brand built on sports. But the perspective of the people making decisions at ND is that the Academic mission of the university is far more important than national sports.
To the other post:
If athletes become employees the issue is NIL —-> Salaries and ND will never get there.

FIFY

 

[stlnd01]

That set up would be fine, but the dynamic market side of this is you end up playing against schools that aren’t shy about this being full on minor league sports, at which point ND bows out because the mission is faith and academic.

EDIT:

Basically once Alabama is just the Tide sponsored by Alabama, the ecosystem formally changes away from student-athlete to just Athlete, and Notre Dame is out.

But at those schools, this already IS full-on minor league sports. And yet we win more games than most of them. It feels like semantics is all, and a needless hill for Notre Dame football to literally die on.

 

[ND03]

FIFY

The university definitely believes in its religious mission, I’m surprised that is viewed as controversial.

 

[ND03]

But at those schools, this already IS full-on minor league sports. And yet we win more games than most of them. It feels like semantics is all, and a needless hill for Notre Dame football to literally die on.

https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2022/04/23/notre-dame-jack-swarbrick-division-1-change

This is just the public view of the AD, saying that when the minor league aspect is formalized, ND would be out of that club

 

[stlnd01]

https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2022/04/23/notre-dame-jack-swarbrick-division-1-change

This is just the public view of the AD, saying that when the minor league aspect is formalized, ND would be out of that club

I know. It just feels like posturing, not something to take at face value. When the full professionalization of college sports inevitably comes to pass, I trust that Notre Dame will find a way to adapt and evolve and be a part of it in ways that still enable Notre Dame to be Notre Dame, just as it always has.

 

[Giddyup]

The university definitely believes in its religious mission, I’m surprised that is viewed as controversial.

 

[T-Boone]

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what has turkleton got to do with this?

 

[ACamp1900]

Jack holding a town hall with IE and the rest of the fan base:

Sometimes I just post random gibberish and get all these likes and quotes,… and then there’s times like this where I masterfully step in and y’all nonsense lovin honkeys go crickets

 

[Sea Turtle]

The university definitely believes in its religious mission, I’m surprised that is viewed as controversial.

The students and faculty don't seem to.

 

[T-Boone]

The students and faculty don't seem to.

you are talking about coitus right?

 

[Sea Turtle]

you are talking about coitus right?

They just seem to be drifting towards an elite academic focus more than anything else.

 

[NorthDakota]

I understand that perspective, frankly I went to ND because of its national brand built on sports. But the perspective of the people making decisions at ND is that the Religious and Academic mission of the university are far more important than national sports.
To the other post:
If athletes become employees the issue is NIL —-> Salaries and ND will never get there.

Seems they'll do just enough to keep ND in the spotlight without doing the things it takes to win. Notre Dame is a product of the football team, not vice versa.

I didn't go to Notre Dame, but the bulk of the fanbase didn't either. I hope the university goes all in on football to the extent they can (money will never be an issue).

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I disagree because Swarbrick said that the number 1 goal was to promote the university, and exiting major college sports would kill off ND's best promotion tool.

He’s right about that. The University of Notre Dame is nothing but a niche Catholic institution in Nowhere, Indiana were it not for its football program.