Superconferences & Realignment

[BabyIrish]

2. The argument that ND should go to the east coast because they are a 'national team' is shaky IMO. You become nationally followed by playing the biggest teams on prime time television, not because you travel to some big city. IMHO, not many outside of the Carolinas will care whether ND plays Wake, Duke or even Clemson and UNC in football past the first honeymoon year. But play Wisconsin or Michigan, OSU, PSU, Nebraska on ABC in the huge, rocking stadiums and you BECOME the national focus.

I know this has already been discussed but this quote upset me so much I had to respond. Your argument is unproportionate. You list the bottom feeders of the ACC but list the top feeders of the BIG 10.
Let's replace the bottom feeders with the top feeders of the ACC: FSU, VA TECH, MIAMI. I have a feeling those games will be played on ABC nationally.
Now let's replace the top feeders with the bottom feeders of the BIG 10: Illinois, Purdue, Indiana. Yeah, no one will care nationally about those games. Your argument has no basis when you match the leagues teams up evenly.
Our brand will be much better in the ACC then the BIG 10 as has already been articulated very well by Whiskey in this thread.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I know this has already been discussed but this quote upset me so much I had to respond. Your argument is unproportionate. You list the bottom feeders of the ACC but list the top feeders of the BIG 10.
Let's replace the bottom feeders with the top feeders of the ACC: FSU, VA TECH, MIAMI. Umm I think the nation would be very interested in these games.
Now let's replace the top feeders with the bottom feeders of the BIG 10: Illinois, Purdue, Indiana. Yeah, no one will care nationally about those games. Your argument has no basis when you match the leagues teams up evenly.
Our brand will be much better in the ACC then the BIG 10 as has already been articulated very well by Whiskey in this thread.

Boom. Somebody is using their thinking cap.

 

[Rhode Irish]

This is from the ESPN "story" posted earlier in the thread:

SAN FRANCISCO -- The Pac-12 Conference is standing pat for now.

The league's presidents and chancellors voted late Tuesday night to reaffirm their decision to stay at a dozen members. Commissioner Larry Scott says "after careful review we have determined that it is in the best interests of our member institutions, student-athletes and fans to remain a 12-team conference."

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech were among those considering a potential move from the Big 12. After expanding from the Pac-10 with new members Utah and Colorado last year, members of the new Pac-12 won't give them the chance.

The league already negotiated a landmark 12-year television contract with Fox and ESPN worth about $3 billion. And it appears plenty happy at a dozen.

I'm calling BS on this. I mean, I believe that these four schools won't be joining right now, but I have a hard time buying that it is because they aren't wanted. We are supposed to believe that they WANTED Colorado and Utah, but DO NOT WANT Texas and Oklahoma? What planet did this supposedly happen on?

This is a prime example of spin and media manipulation. I don't know nearly enough about all the parties involved to know exactly who is pulling the strings and what their motives are, but I know there is WAY more to the story than what is in that self-serving ESPN story/Pac-12 press release.

 

[BabyIrish]

I'm calling BS on this. I mean, I believe that these four schools won't be joining right now, but I have a hard time buying that it is because they aren't wanted. We are supposed to believe that they WANTED Colorado and Utah, but DO NOT WANT Texas and Oklahoma? What planet did this supposedly happen on?

This is a prime example of spin and media manipulation. I don't know nearly enough about all the parties involved to know exactly who is pulling the strings and what their motives are, but I know there is WAY more to the story than what is in that self-serving ESPN story/Pac-12 press release.

Agreed, if Texas and Oklahoma want to join the Pac 12, it's gonna happen. Only a matter of time.

 

[irishff1014]

This is from the ESPN "story" posted earlier in the thread:



I'm calling BS on this. I mean, I believe that these four schools won't be joining right now, but I have a hard time buying that it is because they aren't wanted. We are supposed to believe that they WANTED Colorado and Utah, but DO NOT WANT Texas and Oklahoma? What planet did this supposedly happen on?

This is a prime example of spin and media manipulation. I don't know nearly enough about all the parties involved to know exactly who is pulling the strings and what their motives are, but I know there is WAY more to the story than what is in that self-serving ESPN story/Pac-12 press release.

I agree 100%. those 2 schools add almost no value to their conference. But who knows maybe they did it to give some schools a softer schedule.

 

[Grahambo]

Brett McMurphy of CBS is saying the Big East is pursuing Navy and Air Force.

In regards to the Pac 12 staying put, I think this is the them getting ahead of a story. Oklahoma has stated they will remain Big 12 if Dan Beebe is voted out and LHN is revamped to include stricter rules. They might be on to something so the Pac 12 jumps out ahead to cool things down.

 

[NDFan4Life]

Brett McMurphy of CBS is saying the Big East is pursuing Navy and Air Force.
In regards to the Pac 12 staying put, I think this is the them getting ahead of a story. Oklahoma has stated they will remain Big 12 if Dan Beebe is voted out and LHN is revamped to include stricter rules. They might be on to something so the Pac 12 jumps out ahead to cool things down.

ESPN stated that they were also trying for Army, FWIW.

 

[Grahambo]

ESPN stated that they were also trying for Army, FWIW.

I think those would be good gets, especially Navy. They would enter as football only members.

Navy has more success then Syracuse as of late anyway. The Big East replaces Pitt v ND with ND v Navy which is more attractive, IMO.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

KegsnEggs via Twitter:

I envision Jim Delany sleeping soundly through about 200 text messages and 900 emails right now.

(Image courtesy of LSUFreek)

 

[NDFan4Life]

I think those would be good gets, especially Navy. They would enter as football only members.

Navy has more success then Syracuse as of late anyway. The Big East replaces Pitt v ND with ND v Navy which is more attractive, IMO.

I'm beginning to wonder if ND is considering getting football into the BE, along with the other sports. I know the BE is probably one of the weakest conferences as far as football is concerned, but with them adding TCU and the academies, perhaps they'll be a little more legitimate. Everyone's assuming that we'll go to the ACC or B1G, if push comes to shove. But if we go to the BE, we'd be the dominate team of the conference.

 

[Grahambo]

I'm beginning to wonder if ND is considering getting football into the BE, along with the other sports. I know the BE is probably one of the weakest conferences as far as football is concerned, but with them adding TCU and the academies, perhaps they'll be a little more legitimate. Everyone's assuming that we'll go to the ACC or B1G, if push comes to shove. But if we go to the BE, we'd be the dominate team of the conference.

If that puts ND in a better place now then go for it. I want whatever is best for the school, even if that means joining the SEC. I really just want the school to be setup well like they are now.

 

[cowme]

I'm beginning to wonder if ND is considering getting football into the BE, along with the other sports. I know the BE is probably one of the weakest conferences as far as football is concerned, but with them adding TCU and the academies, perhaps they'll be a little more legitimate. Everyone's assuming that we'll go to the ACC or B1G, if push comes to shove. But if we go to the BE, we'd be the dominate team of the conference.

Please, no. I don't want ND to take a shortcut to become a dominant team again

 

[koonja]

I want the Big 10 over the ACC (I know it might not make as much sense but I live in WI), but the ACC over the BE sounds so much better. Jack would never let us go to the BE. It's falling apart.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm beginning to wonder if ND is considering getting football into the BE, along with the other sports. I know the BE is probably one of the weakest conferences as far as football is concerned, but with them adding TCU and the academies, perhaps they'll be a little more legitimate. Everyone's assuming that we'll go to the ACC or B1G, if push comes to shove. But if we go to the BE, we'd be the dominate team of the conference.

Very doubtful. Pitt and 'Cuse are already gone. TCU, Rutgers, and UConn have one foot out the door. Judgment day has been postponed temporarily, but the Big East's days as an AQ conference are numbered.

 

[ohara831]

If the PAC 12 is holding, then the ACC will hold at 14 for now. For those wanting ND to stay Independent, this is the best news possible.

 

[IrishGiant]

If the PAC 12 is holding, then the ACC will hold at 14 for now. For those wanting ND to stay Independent, this is the best news possible.

Like I said yesterday, lets see how this all plays out before we jump into a pool without water. I knew the pandemonium would subside.

 

[NDFan4Life]

Very doubtful. Pitt and 'Cuse are already gone. TCU, Rutgers, and UConn have one foot out the door. Judgment day has been postponed temporarily, but the Big East's days as an AQ conference are numbered.

I thought I read that TCU just recently got into the BE. I could be wrong on that though. I could see Rutgers and UConn in the ACC before ND.

 

[LuckyDomer]

I thought I read that TCU just recently got into the BE. I could be wrong on that though. I could see Rutgers and UConn in the ACC before ND.

TCU starts in the BE in 2012. I heard the MWC Commish is trying to get them to stay now that the BE is blowing up

 

[IrishGiant]

"Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated"

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Good for you Texas!

Pac-12 Conference decides it won't expand further - ESPN

 

[enrico514]

Superconference are evil... they will kill what makes college athletics special. Ten years from now the only winner will be ESPN !!! The alignments now discussed make, in many cases, no sense whatsoever. I can't even imagine what the travel budgets will be for some athletic departments or the time students will spend travelling.

As for ND football... joining the BIG10 would be awefull for us... scUM, tOSU and PSU would do anything in their power to marginalize us.

 

[irishff1014]

TCU starts in the BE in 2012. I heard the MWC Commish is trying to get them to stay now that the BE is blowing up

They had a story from the big east comhttp://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6998720/commissioner-john-marinatto-says-schools-committed-big-eastmish saying that all teams were happy and staying

 

[IrishGiant]

Lets face it college football is a business with everyone making $ except the kids. What a racket.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Lets face it college football is a business with everyone making $ except the kids. What a racket.

errr....some kids are making money though lol

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Jim Boeheim isn't shy with his opinions, which on Tuesday were voiced strongly as they relate to departing the Big East. [Boeheim] pointed a finger at Notre Dame's president, who despite the fact that Notre Dame has its own television contract and isn't a member of the Big East's football conference, advocated walking away from a $1 billion deal with ESPN earlier this week. Boeheim said he had no plans for retirement and would definitely be around long enough to guide his alma mater into the Atlantic Coast Conference. And in his most pointed words, Boeheim chastised Big East commissioner John Marinatto, who told the New York Times that the Big East would force Syracuse and Pittsburgh to remain in the league for 27 months.

To clarify, you’re talking about Notre Dame’s Father Jenkins being on the committee.

“Yeah. I don’t know why that is. Why would he have a say on the football contract when they don’t participate in it? If they really wanted to keep the Big East together they would have come in in football, then we wouldn’t be talking about this.

Jim Boeheim blames Syracuse's departure from Big East on Notre Dame and conference leadership | syracuse.com

 

[PLACforever]

Big East will look to add Navy, Air Force for football only; Temple, Villanova also options | NJ.com

 

[fitz_bu47]

Around here the talk is now that the Pac 12 is standing pat at 12, and the Big 9 (12) appears to be mending some fences, they are going to try and add BYU, Louisville and West Virginia to get back to 12....If that happens the Big East will be done, and I don't know what that will mean for ND in the other sports.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Around here the talk is now that the Pac 12 is standing pat at 12, and the Big 9 (12) appears to be mending some fences, they are going to try and add BYU, Louisville and West Virginia to get back to 12....If that happens the Big East will be done, and I don't know what that will mean for ND in the other sports.

Big East is trying to add Air Force and Navy for football. Louisville would want no part of Oklahoma and Texas in football. Still a ton of talent in the Big East basketball wise for them. I could see WVU jumping though.

 

[koonja]

I'm sure there's a reason this hasn't been mentioned but what if we joined the Big 12? That'd keep TX and OK happy, we'd be able to recruit better out of Texas which is loaded, keep USC as one of our non-conf rivalries.

Is it because ND and the East Coast is inevitable?

We're already scheduled to play TX and OK in the coming seasons.

 

[ACamp1900]

Jim Boeheim blames Syracuse's departure from Big East on Notre Dame and conference leadership | syracuse.com

he also feels a 120 team playoff is a great way to determine a champion... sorry if I stopped listening to him long ago.