Spring 2021 Roster

[ThePiombino]

That’s a good question...idk. Pre injury I was all for Paul Maul taking over in 21. Remember he pulled a JOK TD before JOK did it.


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Haha yes! That was a thing of beauty.

 

[Legacy]

We add thirteen or more in the fall? 104 by the fall at this point.

The Senior with fifth year eligibility that you included and count are:

DE Ade Ogundeji
WR Jafar Armstrong
WR Avery Davis
LG Aaron Banks
OL Dillon Gibbons
OL Josh Lugg
DT Kurt Hinish
DT Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa
LB Drew White
LB Isaiah Pryor
S Shaun Crawford
CB Nick McCloud
PK Jonathan Doerer

Would you shoot for 95 scholarship players?

 

[Luckylucci]

Moved to Rover? I just not sure I see the coverage skills with Marist. I thought Simon did a much better job in coverage in the first game against Clemson than Marist did in the second game against Clemson. Saying that I don’t think Simon should be moved to rover either.

Pryor, Paul and maybe Kiser at rover.


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I was commenting on the header of the thread. He's currently listed as a WDE. I said he's the co-starter at Buck so he should be moved to Buck.

Just trying to get the depth chart updated accurately.

 

[Blazers46]

what does the "x" mean? Sorry if obvious.

 

[Luckylucci]

Looking at the possible options at WR is exciting for Spring Ball. Hopefully they give these young guys a lot of reps. Need to get Styles Jr. and Johnson ready to go. Del, it's on you big guy.

 

[KPENN]

I hope they kick the tires on the transfer market at QB, cause yikes.

 

[fightingirish26]

Banks 1st team AP All-American. Would imagine that removes any possibility of him returning.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST IN: Notre Dame linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah and offensive guard Aaron Banks have been named 1st team Associated Press All Americans.<br><br>Offensive tackle Liam Eichenberg made the 2nd team.<br><br>Offensive guard Tommy Kraemer and safety Kyle Hamilton made the 3rd team.</p>— Angelo Di Carlo (@angdicarlo) <a href="https://twitter.com/angdicarlo/status/1343606440787898368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ThePiombino]

Three Notre Dame players have entered their names into the NCAA transfer portal to use their final seasons of eligibility at another school: senior receiver/running back*Jafar Armstrong,*senior center*Colin Grunhard,*and junior running back*Jahmir Smith.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/three-former-current-notre-dame-players-enter-transfer-portal

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[NDMatt91]

I hope they kick the tires on the transfer market at QB, cause yikes.

I’d go after a grad transfer at QB and CB. I’m not high on Clark and Pyne and I think it’d be best for Buchner to not be thrown to the wolves right away. A combination of Lewis/Bracy or Lewis/Hart as our starting corners is the thing that nightmares are made of.

 

[stpeteirish]

Banks 1st team AP All-American. Would imagine that removes any possibility of him returning.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST IN: Notre Dame linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah and offensive guard Aaron Banks have been named 1st team Associated Press All Americans.<br><br>Offensive tackle Liam Eichenberg made the 2nd team.<br><br>Offensive guard Tommy Kraemer and safety Kyle Hamilton made the 3rd team.</p>— Angelo Di Carlo (@angdicarlo) <a href="https://twitter.com/angdicarlo/status/1343606440787898368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

doesn't mean squat re returning. Its all about NFL draft projection.

 

[dkuhn12]

I’d go after a grad transfer at QB and CB. I’m not high on Clark and Pyne and I think it’d be best for Buchner to not be thrown to the wolves right away. A combination of Lewis/Bracy or Lewis/Hart as our starting corners is the thing that nightmares are made of.

What evidence do you have not to be high on them? They didn’t get any chance to play this year nor have a spring practice last year to get a good read on what they can bring to the table. I rather give these guys a chance vs getting a Jack Coan who is nothing but a game manager. There isn’t a QB in the portal as of today that has the talent of a Fields, Murray, Hurts, Mayfield, or even a JT Daniels to even try to get in on.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Is there any chance McCloud comes back?

 

[Luckylucci]

Is there any chance McCloud comes back?

He's an interesting case. It seems like everyone is assuming he leaves but I guess I don't see his draft stock being that high. I was hopeful we might get another year with him but don't have any idea.

 

[irishff1014]

Is there any chance McCloud comes back?

He didn’t impress me much. But unfortunately we can’t get an real good corners. We’ll see what Mickens can do. He still didn’t teach them to look for the ball.

 

[fightingirish26]

He didn’t impress me much. But unfortunately we can’t get an real good corners. We’ll see what Mickens can do. He still didn’t teach them to look for the ball.

Not specifically coming at you, but over the past couple days I've seen a lot of McCloud negativity. I thought he was a great addition to the team and our best corner by some distance. Don't see NFL starter in his future but imagine if our starters were Bracy and lewis...woof. Id give him a B+ for the year.

Maybe it's because Smith ate him alive yesterday? He's gonna be eating NFL corners alive for the next decade imo.

 

[FWIrish4]

I think we will be in better shape than most think for next year, with the potential to have a young, but higher upside offense next year.

We should return 3 guys on the offensive line with starting experience, possibly 4 if Banks comes back to play LT but unlikely. Add that with the way we’ve recruited the OL and we should have a solid line again. Running backs and TEs are no brained at a quality level.

Maybe it’s naive belief, but I think we have an exciting WR corp next year because of the athleticism capabilities of the young guys available. We are going to get production from a combination Austin, Lenzy, Davis, Johnson, Watts and even possibly Styles. That upside is much greater than what we worked with this year. Yeah we may have some growing pains but I highly doubt we’ll be complaining about lack of separation or big plays from them.

QB is where this gets interesting and I’m against a grad transfer plug in unless it’s a dynamic guy that’s already proven it before. I would be all for the Cincy guy, but for someone who lost a job somewhere else then I’m against it. I’m hoping Buchner is the guy and if it’s even remotely close for the QB battle then they need to absolutely go with the higher upside guy. I’m okay if this costs us one more loss this upcoming year for the future benefits. I also think the team should be well suited for a young QB - good offensive line, RBs and TE’s. The defense is still going to be pretty good with the defensive line carrying the load again.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Wow. Getting to 85 pretty fast. We'll have room for some transfers.

(Updated for Wright, Armstrong, Rutherford, and Griffith)

 

[dublinirish]

there has to be a transfer CB out there better than McLoud. I know he has a bum shoulder and is contact aversive but he guy can't get off a WR block to save his life

 

[fightingirish26]

Wow. Getting to 85 pretty fast. We'll have room for some transfers.

We could have 185 scholly players next year if we so desired. No limits next season.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

there has to be a transfer CB out there better than McLoud. I know he has a bum shoulder and is contact aversive but he guy can't get off a WR block to save his life

Personally I would prefer to get off the GT treadmill and let younger players get those reps.

ND might be worse off in an immediate sense but they have to find a longer term plan to get more out of this position group.

 

[Riddickulous]

Personally I would prefer to get off the GT treadmill and let younger players get those reps.

ND might be worse off in an immediate sense but they have to find a longer term plan to get more out of this position group.

I agree. They should get the young guys on the field and build towards a run in 22/23.

 

[NewEnglandGuy]

Wow. Getting to 85 pretty fast. We'll have room for some transfers.

As noted everywhere before. No limits for 2021 season.

There is an expected class of 27 recruits coming in.
17 rising sophomores
20 rising juniors (minus Rutherford)
20 rising seniors (as of now)
8 5th years - almost all confirmed: Davis, Gibbons, Lugg, MTA, Hinish, White, Pryor, Doerer
unlikely any 6th/7th years

That is 92 currently.

Writing is on the wall for Micah Jones, graduating in 3 years, no PT, be surprised if he comes back
One of KAR or Wilkins or just another WR in general
Sounds like Tremble is leaning on not returning
Be surprised if we didn't lose a LB or two - Ekwonu, Lamb
Most likely another DB - Ajavon, Wallace

The above are just educated guesses, but even with another 5/6 gone, that will be 86 BEFORE we take a transfer which we are likely to do at hopefully QB, WR, DE, DB.

I feel the team will definitely take advantage of the COVID rule and be around 90 during fall camp or when the season starts. Like this year, I expect more attrition during the season due to the era of opt outs, transfer portal.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

As noted everywhere before. No limits for 2021 season.

There is an expected class of 27 recruits coming in.
17 rising sophomores
20 rising juniors (minus Rutherford)
20 rising seniors (as of now)
8 5th years - almost all confirmed: Davis, Gibbons, Lugg, MTA, Hinish, White, Pryor, Doerer
unlikely any 6th/7th years

That is 92 currently.

Writing is on the wall for Micah Jones, graduating in 3 years, no PT, be surprised if he comes back
One of KAR or Wilkins or just another WR in general
Sounds like Tremble is leaning on not returningBe surprised if we didn't lose a LB or two - Ekwonu, Lamb
Most likely another DB - Ajavon, Wallace

The above are just educated guesses, but even with another 5/6 gone, that will be 86 BEFORE we take a transfer which we are likely to do at hopefully QB, WR, DE, DB.

I feel the team will definitely take advantage of the COVID rule and be around 90 during fall camp or when the season starts. Like this year, I expect more attrition during the season due to the era of opt outs, transfer portal.

Where did you hear this? Not saying its not true, but it is the first I am hearing/seeing it. Also would he go pro? If so, I think that is a mistake and he could make a ton of money if he comes back for 1 more.

 

[Irishbounty28]

Tremble is leaning on entering draft early? Is this reported information? Hope he doesn't. His blocking prowess would definitely help while shoring up new offensive line pieces.

 

[Domina Nostra]

It's true that there are no limits for 2021, but that was most advantageous for getting an additional year for upperclassmen.

It's actually a little bit of a trap for a school like ND to overload in the freshman class. It will cause trouble going forward unless they drive kids out, which they aren't normally willing to do.

Natural attrition will only get you so far. And you don't want your 3 year projects, like Ade, to feel they are getting recruited under.

 

[irishtrooper]

Is there any chance McCloud comes back?

I don’t know, but I really hope so. He wasn’t amazing, but very solid imo. We are in much better shape with him. I’m happy with where Lewis is right now and McCloud gives us two decent corners while other guys hopefully improve their game to push for pt. I think our depth at corner and safety (after Hamilton) is why we’re weak there. I’d love to get the 3 top guys back. The weakest link imo was Crawford (love the guy and can’t blame him with all the injuries).

 

[Free Manera]

It's true that there are no limits for 2021, but that was most advantageous for getting an additional year for upperclassmen.

It's actually a little bit of a trap for a school like ND to overload in the freshman class. It will cause trouble going forward unless they drive kids out, which they aren't normally willing to do.

Natural attrition will only get you so far. And you don't want your 3 year projects, like Ade, to feel they are getting recruited under.

Agree with all but the bold. I think you definitely want your dudes to feel like there is talent behind them. That is what makes teams programs and programs dynasties. You need that competition and depth across the roster. Loyalty to older and less impactful players is actually a huge flaw of Kelly's according to most people.

Edit - not saying Ade is that. He is a good player. But just saying generally you need to recruit as many studs as you can, every year, regardless of who is already on the roster.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Agree with all but the bold. I think you definitely want your dudes to feel like there is talent behind them. That is what makes teams programs and programs dynasties. You need that competition and depth across the roster. Loyalty to older and less impactful players is actually a huge flaw of Kelly's according to most people.

Edit - not saying Ade is that. He is a good player. But just saying generally you need to recruit as many studs as you can, every year, regardless of who is already on the roster.

Good points, and I certainly don't disagree with landing, say, 2 stud WDEs a year. The issue is recruiting 7 mid-level DBs a year, and then trying to get them all reps. You develop through reps, and developing kids need to know there will be patience if solid development is occurring.

As for Kelly, he goes with more experienced players so that he wins the games he should. It comes at a cost for sure, but ND fans would NOT be fine with him developing young talent if it cost him even a single game. The coach at ND has to choose between disappointing fans with not winning NCs and making fans heads explode losing a games that you shouldn't. He's chosen the latter, as every other coach would.

 

[Free Manera]

Good points, and I certainly don't disagree with landing, say, 2 stud WDEs a year. The issue is recruiting 7 mid-level DBs a year, and then trying to get them all reps. You develop through reps, and developing kids need to know there will be patience if solid development is occurring.

As for Kelly, he goes with more experienced players so that he wins the games he should. It comes at a cost for sure, but ND fans would NOT be fine with him developing young talent if it cost him even a single game. The coach at ND has to choose between disappointing fans with not winning NCs and making fans heads explode losing a games that you shouldn't. He's chosen the latter, as every other coach would.

Also just saw Ade is leaving. I take it back I take it back, come back Ade!

 

[RDU Irish]

OT
23) Andrew Kristofic, So. [RS]
24) Tosh Baker, Fr.
25) Michael Carmody, Fr.

OT/OG
26) Joshua Lugg, Sr. [RS]
27) Jarrett Patterson, Jr. [RS]
28) Quinn Carroll, So. [RS]
29) EE - Blake Fisher
30) EE- Caleb Johnson

OG/C
31) Dillan Gibbons, Sr. [RS]
32) John Dirksen, Jr. [RS]
33) Zeke Correll, So. [RS]
34) EE - Rocco Spindler

So much movement on OL recently. Is Patterson the only starter returning at this point? I think I saw him moving to LT - is that business decision for him or necessity for the unit? With the drop off we saw at center I am surprised he would not stay there.

Lugg and Correll look to have inside track to start but other than that who do we like and where? Spindler and Fisher look pretty good coming in (both rating higher than any OL on roster) but not like Baker, Carroll, Kristofic are low rated projects and an extra year or two of S&C goes a long ways on the OL.