Sorry, Trojans

[irish1958]

is this true...

Yes

 

[ACamp1900]

I find that extrememly hard to believe... so if Iowa's wreslting program goes on proby then two years later the football program gets hit on something the punishment for the football program is amplified due to what the wreslting squad did two years prior?? I'd have to see that written within the NCAA by laws to buy that... even then it's complete bs

 

[clashmore_mike]

Ok, they weren't technically on probation for 5 years but since there was a major violation by the basketball program the entire athletic program can be seen as a repeat violator. There is a 5 year window that the NCAA clearly stated as starting in March of 2006 when they hit O'Brien with his unethical conduct and gave him show cause.

The NCAA terms a repeat violator any school where "a major violation has occurred within five years of the starting date of a major penalty."

In its ruling on the O'Brien/Savovic matter, the NCAA ruled: "Ohio State University shall be subject to the provisions of NCAA Bylaw 19.5.2.3, concerning repeat violators, for a five-year period beginning on the effective date of the penalties in this case, March 10, 2006."

Tressel extends his suspension to five games

The link is from Bruce Hooley who until recently had a talk show on ESPN Radio in Columbus. He was fired for being critical of Tressel/OSU.

These recent violations occurred in 2010, well inside the 5 year window.

 

[ACamp1900]

it says nothing about impacting various programs across any given university... if that's the way it's interpreted and carried out by the NCAA that is pretty weak and SC and tOSU's football programs would have legit gripes, no doubt in my mind... though I still find it impossible to believe that is the case.

not trying to say they are vitcums here and such, but if what the basketball program does can directly impact a ruling on the football program then that is weak sauce... if the football program wasn't on proby they should not be seen as repeat offenders

 

[clashmore_mike]

The NCAA warned in their Notice of Allegations it could view OSU as a repeat violator of the Unethical Conduct bylaw. Its not just some people hoping they nail OSU, it was actually offered up by the NCAA. They don't like being lied to.

 

[BGIF]

I find that extrememly hard to believe... so if Iowa's wreslting program goes on proby then two years later the football program gets hit on something the punishment for the football program is amplified due to what the wreslting squad did two years prior?? I'd have to see that written within the NCAA by laws to buy that... even then it's complete bs

Neither the wrestling program nor the football program are members of the NCAA, the University is the member and is responsible for all ITS programs.

Problems in more than one program raise a question of the dreaded "lack of institutional control".

 

[ACamp1900]

Neither the wrestling program nor the football program are members of the NCAA, the University is the member and is responsible for all ITS programs.

Problems in more than one program raise a question of the dreaded "lack of institutional control".

I understand lack of institutional control, but this is more in regards to if this makes them "repeat offenders"... which I'm sure it does not... those are two different things now.

when they bring down sanctions it is not University wide, it is given to select programs, last I checked SC's women's softball program didn't lose scholly's for what the football team did... so...

 

[pkt77242]

I could be wrong but I thought the repeat offenders also had to do with Troy Smith receiving money from a booster.

 

[clashmore_mike]

I understand lack of institutional control, but this is more in regards to if this makes them "repeat offenders"... which I'm sure it does not... those are two different things now.

when they bring down sanctions it is not University wide, it is given to select programs, last I checked SC's women's softball program didn't lose scholly's for what the football team did... so...

I think the NCAA treats it as if the same MAJOR violation occurs at a school, even if its in 2 different sports, then it is considered a repeat offense. Both instances were 10.1 violations and that just so happens to be the one that is most frowned upon by the NCAA. The real question is why didn't they slap the lack of institutional control on them since it wasn't just one program (although it is possible they can add that on after OSU responds to the NOA).

 

[clashmore_mike]

I could be wrong but I thought the repeat offenders also had to do with Troy Smith receiving money from a booster.

The NCAA will consider that when they make their final ruling, but that violation is not the same as what Tressel is charged with now. Plus, I'm sure it makes a difference that OSU self reported Smith's thing and suspended him on their own.

 

[ACamp1900]

The smith thing would make much more sense

 

[clashmore_mike]

The smith thing would make much more sense

But again, that wasn't ethical misconduct. Not sure how that would be repeat violator unless it is proven that the tattoo guy is a booster.

 

[ACamp1900]

But again, that wasn't ethical misconduct. Not sure how that would be repeat violator unless it is proven that the tattoo guy is a booster.

not so sure either... but it makes more sense than using the basketball team as a case for repeat violations imo...

 

[irish1958]

But again, that wasn't ethical misconduct. Not sure how that would be repeat violator unless it is proven that the tattoo guy is a booster.

The NCAA has a rather unique definition of the work "booster". A South Bend woman purchased a ticket for the ND quarterback club luncheon, and was therefore considered a booster.

 

[pkt77242]

But again, that wasn't ethical misconduct. Not sure how that would be repeat violator unless it is proven that the tattoo guy is a booster.

I believe that repeat violator means of NCAA rules (well major violations not minor ones), not of a specific rule. If you are put on probabtion for 5 years for any major infraction and you commit any major violation within that 5 years you are usually considered to be a repeat violator.