Skunkbear Signal Stealing Scandal

[dublinirish]

Sounds like the NCAA is interviewing players and promising immunity

none of them are gonna squeal

 

[dublinirish]

You are overlooking that they Michigan players not Notre Dame guys. You have to remember many probably don't have spines

ah they are all drones man and they love Harbaugh, they'll say nothing

 

[ulukinatme]

Sounds like the NCAA is interviewing players and promising immunity

Immunity carries the threat of punishment. What's the punishment, bowl ban? Do they let players transfer without having to sit, even if they've already transferred in the past? Or do they let players that comply participate in a bowl? I'm trying to guess how the players are up for punishment and what they're getting out of.

 

[notredomer23]

none of them are gonna squeal

On the current roster maybe, but there's plenty of jaded guys from the last couple years that transferred out

 

[ab2cmiller]

Not sure why the NCAA would think that players would have any background information on the sign stealing scheme. Sure they had knowledge that Michigan had figured out the signs of other teams. I wouldn't think that any of them had any info on how that info was obtained.

Now that I think about it, maybe Stalions business partner (Corum) would have some info.

 

[NDpendent]

Immunity carries the threat of punishment. What's the punishment, bowl ban? Do they let players transfer without having to sit, even if they've already transferred in the past? Or do they let players that comply participate in a bowl? I'm trying to guess how the players are up for punishment and what they're getting out of.

Genuine question because I don't know the answer, would they be able to suspend players if they were aware of the scheme? That could impact players who are borderline draftable

 

[ab2cmiller]

Genuine question because I don't know the answer, would they be able to suspend players if they were aware of the scheme? That could impact players who are borderline draftable

I have no idea if the NCAA could suspend a kid for just being aware of the scheme.

I think there is no way that the NCAA would suspend a player just because they were aware of the scheme. Realistically, I think they would've had to actively been involved in the scheme to face any punishment.

 

[ulukinatme]

Genuine question because I don't know the answer, would they be able to suspend players if they were aware of the scheme? That could impact players who are borderline draftable

Right, I'm just thinking out loud because I don't know either. Is there something in the bylaws that a player has to report something if they see illegal activity? Is that how they'll get them? Maybe a sportsmanship clause or something. If the immunity is true, you gotta figure whatever they're holding over there heads has to be bowl or general participation related, because I don't think they can do anything with their scholarships.

 

[ulukinatme]

I have no idea if the NCAA could suspend a kid for just being aware of the scheme.

I think there is no way that the NCAA would suspend a player just because they were aware of the scheme. Realistically, I think they would've had to actively been involved in the scheme to face any punishment.

They could just suspend the team from bowl participation, even if they weren't directly involved. Penn State was banned from bowl(s) for the Sandusky cover up, obviously the players weren't a part of that.

 

[NDpendent]

I have no idea if the NCAA could suspend a kid for just being aware of the scheme.

I think there is no way that the NCAA would suspend a player just because they were aware of the scheme. Realistically, I think they would've had to actively been involved in the scheme to face any punishment.

Makes sense. My hunch would be that they would try to protect the players as much as possible from the crimes of their coaches but @ulukinatme has me wondering what they this immunity if from

 

[dublinirish]

non paywall link - https://archive.vn/wFSdj

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Any Harbaugh move to the NFL is going to be predicated on him having roster control ala Pete Carroll.

The team currently without a GM and head coach? Oh, you guessed it, The Davis Raiders.

 

[zelezo vlk]

In case anyone missed Football Scoop's article that we were talking about from Friday:

https://footballscoop.com/news/big-...h-michigan-for-trying-to-delay-accountability

"The University’s November 8 response does not deny that the impermissible scheme occurred. Instead, it offers only procedural and technical arguments designed to delay accountability. The University also argues that because it believes that others are engaged in decoding signs, there must be nothing wrong with the University’s activities. In addition to impermissible activities of others being currently unsupported by facts, the University’s culpability is not dependent on the actions of other institutions."

And from the Big Ten's own release, utterly damning for Michigan:

IV. The University’s Claim That It Had Reviewed Almost No Evidence

The Conference is highly concerned about the University’s statements in its November 8 response that it “has not yet had an opportunity to review almost any of the evidence” and that “[f]rom what we can tell, your [notice] largely relies on rumor.” Univ. Resp. at 1, 7. We know from the evidence provided to the Conference by the NCAA on November 9 that the University had been provided the Master Spreadsheet, numerous other corroborating documents, photographs, and videos, and significant interview recordings, all of which confirm the existence of the impermissible scheme. This includes, as early as October 31 and November 1, at least three University officials attending NCAA interviews during which details of the impermissible scheme were revealed. That knowledge preceded the above-referenced November 2 call with the NCAA, in which the University participated, during which the NCAA stated it knew and could prove the existence of the impermissible scheme.

We assume the University’s first comment did not mean that it and its counsel had not taken the time to review the documents and other information upon receiving them. The University appears to suggest that imposition of discipline is inappropriate because the University claimed it had seen almost no evidence. But given the extensive evidence the University was in fact provided by the NCAA, it cannot possibly be true that the University had not seen “almost any of the evidence.” The evidence the University had should have allowed it to determine for itself the clear basis for concluding that the impermissible scheme occurred. And the combination of (i) the extensive evidence the University had, and (ii) the Conference’s reference in its November 4 notice to specific categories of evidence that it had reviewed surely allowed the University to know that the Conference was not “largely rel[ying] on “rumor.”

Tl;dr Michigan got caught lying and will be absolutely hammered by the NCAA

 

[ulukinatme]

non paywall link - https://archive.vn/wFSdj

Michigan fans: "B-b-b-b-but the university said they were fully cooperating! Why would they lie?!"
Also, ESPN previously reported Harbaugh is facing charges for failing to cooperate with NCAA investigators, and could be charged as a repeat violator under HC responsibility, a Level 1 charge.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[DONTH8]

Sounds like the NCAA is interviewing players and promising immunity

Interesting. Offering immunity would mean they are chasing something big. As others have said, if you are offering immunity you would have to wager what they are threatening (if they find all the info needed) must be pretty severe to the athletes themselves.

But it's the NCAA. They have shown time and time again if you tell them nothing, you are safe. On the other hand, if you open your mouth, then you'll get punished. The NCAA has done this to themselves.

 

[NDpendent]

Every commit in their 2024 class should be very cautious of signing their LOI during the early signing period in December.

 

[Luckylucci]

Doesn’t failure to cooperate mean the NCAA can speed up their timeline?

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Doesn’t failure to cooperate mean the NCAA can speed up their timeline?

I think it can, for example: In my line of work, it is written in our contracts that say "You have a duty and obligation to cooperate" with any investigation we are conducting. Should they not, we put them on notice with a Reservation of Rights. This more or less says, cooperate with us, or we will move forward with the information we have. It's pretty nifty

I am guessing since it is all contract/membership language, that the Big10 and NCAA have similar language.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Every commit in their 2024 class should be very cautious of signing their LOI during the early signing period in December.

Something I saw on 11Warriors yesterday: the NCAA has announced that they want to finish their investigation and submit their Notice of Allegations this fall (which isn't helpful to keep Michigan out of the Postseason) and a strict reading of this fall means before 12/21, and what happens on 12/20? Early Signing Day

 

[MPClinton22]

Apologies if already posted, but I really don't think I can hate that university more. Their PRESIDENT tweeted this after the PSU game. They are beyond shameless, morally corrupt and completely delusional.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Apologies if already posted, but I really don't think I can hate that university more. Their PRESIDENT tweeted this after the PSU game. They are beyond shameless, morally corrupt and completely delusional.

He literally quoted Bo a couple weeks ago in support of the team when the reports first started coming out, including the below, which is cringing hilarious when you realize what Bo allowed to happen to his players

Deep down, your players must know you care about them. This is the most important thing

 

[MPClinton22]

He literally quoted Bo a couple weeks ago in support of the team when the reports first started coming out, including the below, which is cringing hilarious when you realize what Bo allowed to happen to his players

It's a master class in gaslighting. They still worship ringless wonder Bo even after his indiscretions came to light. It's an institution with a pathological inability to ever look at itself in the mirror

 

[NDpendent]

 

[NDpendent]

First Finebaum and now Stephen A Smith... The worse part of this whole investigation is finding yourself agreeing with these two men.

 

[Lberry]

Jim Shady is an elite nickname given the location/situation

 

[Grahambo]

There’s nothing to be gained by not cooperating. You could argue Harbaugh is the only one who could really survive but someone like Stalions? Moron.

And the fact Michigan is fighting it so hard makes me think the NCAA is out to make an example of them.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

So - who's the new winningest team of all time? RIP scUM

 

[NDpendent]

Jim Shady is an elite nickname given the location/situation

HE IS BACK!!! I just thought you were going to lurk behind your computer screen all day like a middle school teenager.

 

[Irish#1]

On the current roster maybe, but there's plenty of jaded guys from the last couple years that transferred out

There's got to be one or two riding the bench that think they should be getting some playing time.