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NDMatt91

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well, 0-2 and not looking good at all
this looks like a throw away season

Freeman was so great last year; was that a fluke?

But most of all what bothers me is where our strength of last year is now a weakness

Our O line was supposed to be great and is mediocre at best

Our DL was supposed to be good and is not

After the high of last season this really hurts

I really can't explain the O-Line's performance thus far, but as far as the DL goes we're definitely missing Cross and Mills. Dawson wasn't a stud at Louisville by any means, and the rest of the returning DT's were kind of "meh." They had their strengths and certainly their weaknesses, and shouldn't be starting for a real top 10 team. I have no inside info, but I think ND thought they'd be able to get Dontay Corleone to hit the portal from Cincy, but he surprised a lot of people when he decided to stay. Freeman was his recruiter out of HS, and he appears to be a 3rd-5th round pick.
 

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I think we all wanted to give Freeman the benefit of the doubt. As Lax pointed out in another thread, Freeman got started on this hire late in the process because of how late the season ran. I can’t imagine Mickens would be much worse.
This is sort of where I’m at - normally you don’t want to fire a guy mid season cause you cant realistically make a good hire. But what about if you have an heir apparent DC on staff? During a seemingly lost year (10-2 ain’t cutting it I don’t think with our schedule) can we just make a switch and roll with the punches and load up for next year?
 

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This is sort of where I’m at - normally you don’t want to fire a guy mid season cause you cant realistically make a good hire. But what about if you have an heir apparent DC on staff? During a seemingly lost year (10-2 ain’t cutting it I don’t think with our schedule) can we just make a switch and roll with the punches and load up for next year?
This. I hate the “public retention but soft fire/someone else takes over approach” here. Show people we’re serious. Recruits aren’t coming here for Chris Ash anyway.

Firing him outright just puts a little egg on our face, but not much else. Strength of schedule also decreases from here on out, and we can’t be much worse anyway. Plus people like Mickens.

Publicly fire Ash. Promote Mickens. Tout the improvement of the defense going forward and build off of it, both developmentally and in recruiting.
 

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Was anyone who was at the game see some kind of ruckus where the police were called in? See here:
 

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Yeah be a worthless football team but thank fucking Jesus players graduate. None of us fan have any bragging rights over teams that are good but thank the good lord above that these guys graduate. Fuck that shit.
Idc if our graduation rate drops to 30% if we win. Pay the players like NFL players, don’t force any of them to take a single class, let them live off campus. I don’t give a fuck. WIN
 

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Here are my thoughts;

- It's clear from D play and from comments we're hearing from insiders and players that something for the D is not clicking, they're not playing inspired and confident, and they're playing a lot of the game like a deer in the headlights

- We saw a majority of these D players playing with confidence by the end of the year last year, and hope this team can do the same because we all know they're better than they're playing right now, and they do look good on a lot of plays; but unfortunately, they get shredded on a lot of plays as well

- We all know there's no way in hell that Freeman is gonna fire anyone, even when he Porked out, he comes up with a plan to gracefully exit the bad coach that allows all to save face

- To the many here tonight who have made innuendo's about play calling (or maybe some of it) going to other coaches, not sure how they would do that - if they really had to - but the good news is they have a good D coach in Mickens and a good former top DC in Freeman that could collaborate if needed with no need to bring someone new in mid season; then MF could have option to gracefully exit Ash out of the program after the season ends

- It does seem to be a Freeman weakness - depending too much on hiring coaches via his inner circle, including Jim Tressel (didn't Tressel highly recommend MF hire Ash as new DC?); a few important areas where there are issues that are related to coaching hires that were a result of people being referred to him via his inner circle are, specifically, Mike Brown and Chris Ash, but the most important coach with issues right now is Ash

- They need to figure this out before the AR game so at least we have a few weeks again, but we can't shit the bed too much for the Purdue game, but can use it to try some new things on D; and get them refined before the AR game which could be a similar slugfest back and forth like tonight's game

- There is time to get better each game and work towards going 10-2, one game at a time, like RL got better game by game, with MF never wavering with his confidence in RL and look what the end product was by end of the season; that said, with Ash, we have no clue how Ash is doing (vs. we could watch RL play weekly) and if he's truly on a plan for implementing a D style that works and where the team gets better each week; is he just smooth talking MF and will simply continue to stink each week from here on in

- All I know is that now there is no margin for error and that MF can't let the team keep playing these close games where they are that close as a result of the D; the D has to get a lot better if we want to end up 10-2 and peaking going into the CFP (assuming we're fortunate to get in due to ND brand and end of season momentum)

- It absolutely possible, but there has to be a plan for change and improvement for the D; last year the patience for RL was a solid plan because the MF and the team could count on the D; but the D playing crappy this season is likely too much for a good Carr and O to overcome if the opposing teams are as good as Miami and TAMU

- But again, if ND could somehow turn this around and get better each week and win out where it's clobbering teams like USC, BC, Pitt and Syracuse by the end of the season, we have a good chance to get into the CFP with solid momentum. Maybe MF knows what he's doing and he will surprise us again this year... We'll see
 

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Do you know of any other names, that maybe haven't been put out there publicly, that Freeman seriously considered for DC?

These were some names offered for him to look at, but not sure who MF and AD actually considered in addition to Ash?
I think some of these names, I'm pretty sure, Jim Leonhard, were in the mix for consideration:
  • Mike Mickens:
    As the current Notre Dame defensive backs coach, Mickens was seen as a logical choice to maintain continuity. His strong recruiting and player development skills were highly valued, and the initial reports indicated he might be promoted.
  • Jim Leonhard:
    A strong candidate who had been in the NFL but was also considered for his experience recruiting in the Midwest.
  • Brian Haynes:
    A former defensive coordinator at Indiana known for maximizing his team's talent.
  • Mike Trestle:
    Had experience as a defensive coordinator at Cincinnati and was a possibility for the position.
 

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These were some names offered for him to look at, but not sure who MF and AD actually considered in addition to Ash?
I think some of these names, I'm pretty sure, Jim Leonhard, were in the mix for consideration:
  • Mike Mickens:
    As the current Notre Dame defensive backs coach, Mickens was seen as a logical choice to maintain continuity. His strong recruiting and player development skills were highly valued, and the initial reports indicated he might be promoted.
  • Jim Leonhard:
    A strong candidate who had been in the NFL but was also considered for his experience recruiting in the Midwest.
  • Brian Haynes:
    A former defensive coordinator at Indiana known for maximizing his team's talent.
  • Mike Trestle:
    Had experience as a defensive coordinator at Cincinnati and was a possibility for the position.
I could be wrong, but I think one of the ISD guys in the offseason said Leonhard turned the job down because he wanted to stay in the NFL. So that one seems like it wasn't for a want of trying.
 

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We got screwed. Hinish got tackled on that TD. Would have been a sack.
I tried to warn you all over the summer. Is what it is, no doubt we should've gone with Mickens and we would be 2-0.
I am with you. Didn't like the hire from the start. Specifically, if he was any good he would have been a successful DC somewhere that we had to poach.
 

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I’d move Tae Johnson to start at corner and Move Gray to Nickle Gray clearly can’t handle when we play stud WR’s
 

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These were some names offered for him to look at, but not sure who MF and AD actually considered in addition to Ash?
I think some of these names, I'm pretty sure, Jim Leonhard, were in the mix for consideration:
  • Mike Mickens:
    As the current Notre Dame defensive backs coach, Mickens was seen as a logical choice to maintain continuity. His strong recruiting and player development skills were highly valued, and the initial reports indicated he might be promoted.
  • Jim Leonhard:
    A strong candidate who had been in the NFL but was also considered for his experience recruiting in the Midwest.
  • Brian Haynes:
    A former defensive coordinator at Indiana known for maximizing his team's talent.
  • Mike Trestle:
    Had experience as a defensive coordinator at Cincinnati and was a possibility for the position.
Haynes or Mickens
 

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These were some names offered for him to look at, but not sure who MF and AD actually considered in addition to Ash?
I think some of these names, I'm pretty sure, Jim Leonhard, were in the mix for consideration:
  • Mike Mickens:
    As the current Notre Dame defensive backs coach, Mickens was seen as a logical choice to maintain continuity. His strong recruiting and player development skills were highly valued, and the initial reports indicated he might be promoted.
  • Jim Leonhard:
    A strong candidate who had been in the NFL but was also considered for his experience recruiting in the Midwest.
  • Brian Haynes:
    A former defensive coordinator at Indiana known for maximizing his team's talent.
  • Mike Trestle:
    Had experience as a defensive coordinator at Cincinnati and was a possibility for the position.
Circle back on Haynes this offseason.
 

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The best time to name Mickens DC was in the offseason. The second best time is right now.
We've had great DB recruiting but we seem to have one player who can cover, and run support has been an issue, too. What makes you think a major midseason promotion and unfamiliar responsibilities for an ineffective position coach are good ideas at this time?
 
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