SAE at Oklahoma...

[Cackalacky]

To be fair to bishop, there are actually areas in the ole south that aren't any more racist than the north. There's still a strong correlation in whether or not an area had a high slave density and the presence of racist attitudes today.

Also, by "complete coincidence" whites living in those old slave owning areas are far more likely to vote Republican than whites living in non-slave holding parts of the South.

It's not coincidence. The Republican party has been actively courting Conservative "Southern Democrats" for a hundred years which is why the solid South is a wholly Republican stronghold now. Couple that with a migration of people who identify with a republican principles into the south for economic reasons. Which is why the solid south no longer votes "Democrat"

 

[NDRock]

I moved to East Tennessee (from Florida) at the age of 21 and was very surprised to hear the use of the N word so frequently. This area seems very racist. I can't count the number of times I've been on a medical call where the paramedic is asking the patient if he knows who the President is and they respond, "that damn N***er."

The interesting thing is I've had a couple of black guys that I work with tell me they thought it was worse up North when they lived up there for a while. I was surprised by that. I know it's just anecdotal but I found it interesting nonetheless.

 

[dales5050]

SIAP...

Some interesting commentary out there regarding Oklahoma and how they managed the Joe Mixon situation compared to the SAE situation.


So it looks like you are not allowed to attend the University of Oklahoma if you're a racist pr*ck but you can punch a woman and do some community service if you're good at football.

Feel bad for Cooks. :/

 

[NorthDakota]

I don't believe they should be expelled from a public institution for being racist. Women and minorities can essentially wage war on white men and garbage like that on campuses across the country with no issues. That said, these guys are idiots.

I have zero problem with them losing their charter and any other way the university or national fraternity wants to punish them regarding that.

 

[kmoose]

Racism deniers like yourself are a problem. That's why I'm not mincing words. You're ignorant. You're taking personal anecdotes and experiences which are completely worthless in the grand scheme of things and representing them as fact of the way things are. It's scarily akin to the "happy slave" narratives perpetuated by many plantation owners so long ago...

The truth is that there are studies and facts that conclusively disprove everything you said. It's your right to speak your ignorant opinions, and it's my right to call you out for being completely uninformed. It is PROVEN that southern whites are more racist than whites elsewhere in the country.

It takes a special kind of person to think an area of the country famous for segregated proms in 2014 is "no less racist" than anywhere else. Never go full potato.

To be fair, bishop's original assertion was that there is just as much racism in the North, as in the South. That's not the same as there being just as much anti-black bias. Racism includes all races. It's not limited to attitudes and actions towards black people. All of the studies that people have presented, claiming that the South is way more prejudiced, have been limited to views towards blacks. I don't know that he does, but it is very possible that he has a good point.

 

[IrishLax]

To be fair, bishop's original assertion was that there is just as much racism in the North, as in the South. That's not the same as there being just as much anti-black bias. Racism includes all races. It's not limited to attitudes and actions towards black people. All of the studies that people have presented, claiming that the South is way more prejudiced, have been limited to views towards blacks. I don't know that he does, but it is very possible that he has a good point.

That's clearly not what we're talking about here, and that's not what bishop said in context either, and he didn't have a good point.

1. He was responding directly to a statement about African Americans playing football at "places like Ole Miss". That's the post he quoted. So everything he said is relative to African Americans choosing to stay or go to the South.
2. He then said "The trick is to look at things as they actually are instead of basing your opinions on outdated stereotypes." -- which is incorrect, because as was explained in detail by many posters there is an abundance of very recent research supporting my premise and literally none supporting his viewpoint. And towards anecdotes, it's not "outdated" that Georgia had segregated proms as of last year, Mississippi didn't ratify the 13th Amendment until 2 years ago, etc.
3. "Racism is no more common in the South these days than anywhere else in the country." -- just a factually incorrect statement with no supporting evidence vis a vis African Americans in the South, which we have clearly established is what he was responding to. His following sentence "Most Black's I've ever talked to about this who've lived in the South and the North say it's actually worse in the North." further reinforces what we're talking about.
4. He then provides worthless personal anecdotes before closing with "You're about as likely to see or experience racism at any place in the country as you are any other." -- this is another factually incorrect statement.

I responded as harshly as I did for a reason. Nothing he said was remotely correct. There is no room for interpretation... he's just wrong and ignorant.

 

[IrishLax]

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This is the Oklahoma football statement on everything. They're actually getting a ton of blowback for allowing three woman beaters to be part of their school/team but demanding zero tolerance here. Hard to equivocate two completely different issues, but I thought it was interesting.

 

[kmoose]

That's clearly not what we're talking about here, and that's not what bishop said in context either, and he didn't have a good point.

1. He was responding directly to a statement about African Americans playing football at "places like Ole Miss". That's the post he quoted. So everything he said is relative to African Americans choosing to stay or go to the South.
2. He then said "The trick is to look at things as they actually are instead of basing your opinions on outdated stereotypes." -- which is incorrect, because as was explained in detail by many posters there is an abundance of very recent research supporting my premise and literally none supporting his viewpoint. And towards anecdotes, it's not "outdated" that Georgia had segregated proms as of last year, Mississippi didn't ratify the 13th Amendment until 2 years ago, etc.
3. "Racism is no more common in the South these days than anywhere else in the country." -- just a factually incorrect statement with no supporting evidence vis a vis African Americans in the South, which we have clearly established is what he was responding to. His following sentence "Most Black's I've ever talked to about this who've lived in the South and the North say it's actually worse in the North." further reinforces what we're talking about.
4. He then provides worthless personal anecdotes before closing with "You're about as likely to see or experience racism at any place in the country as you are any other." -- this is another factually incorrect statement.

I responded as harshly as I did for a reason. Nothing he said was remotely correct. There is no room for interpretation... he's just wrong and ignorant.

Fair enough...

 

[Ndaccountant]

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This is the Oklahoma football statement on everything. They're actually getting a ton of blowback for allowing three woman beaters to be part of their school/team but demanding zero tolerance here. Hard to equivocate two completely different issues, but I thought it was interesting.

They are two different issues, but the differences in response are noteworthy.

Speaking strictly from a Utilitarian view point, OU should be much more concerned about the physical and sexual treatment of women given that more women attend the university than African Americans and how both impact the comfort and ability to learn in a hostile free environment.

I think both issues are extremely important nationally and I am glad OU did what they did. But people questing the difference in the swiftness and severity of the punishments compared to Joe Mixon are 100% warranted. As is criticism of FSU and the whole Winston thing, even though there wasn't a campus wide protest.

 

[BGIF]

That's clearly not what we're talking about here, and that's not what bishop said in context either, and he didn't have a good point.

1. He was responding directly to a statement about African Americans playing football at "places like Ole Miss". That's the post he quoted. So everything he said is relative to African Americans choosing to stay or go to the South.
2. He then said "The trick is to look at things as they actually are instead of basing your opinions on outdated stereotypes." -- which is incorrect, because as was explained in detail by many posters there is an abundance of very recent research supporting my premise and literally none supporting his viewpoint. And towards anecdotes, it's not "outdated" that Georgia had segregated proms as of last year, Mississippi didn't ratify the 13th Amendment until 2 years ago, etc.
3. "Racism is no more common in the South these days than anywhere else in the country." -- just a factually incorrect statement with no supporting evidence vis a vis African Americans in the South, which we have clearly established is what he was responding to. His following sentence "Most Black's I've ever talked to about this who've lived in the South and the North say it's actually worse in the North." further reinforces what we're talking about.
4. He then provides worthless personal anecdotes before closing with "You're about as likely to see or experience racism at any place in the country as you are any other." -- this is another factually incorrect statement.

I responded as harshly as I did for a reason. Nothing he said was remotely correct. There is no room for interpretation... he's just wrong and ignorant.

Al Sharpton made that statement almost verbatim this morning on the Morning Joe show. Sharpton said the worst racism he experienced was in Brooklyn. He mentioned Howard Beach and some other NYC area specifically. Of course you'd probably put that down as worthless anecdotes too.

Sharpton noted he still has the scars on his head from those "anecdotes".

Bishop was neither wrong nor ignorant. He didn't stoop to ad hominems either.

Having lived in several parts of this country and worked in all of it I've experienced firsthand the things Bishop mentioned ... as have my black friends. Of course their experience would be discounted by you as well as it does fit your viewpoint.

 

[Cackalacky]

I just want to add a point which is mind boggling with respect to previous posts. It's the fact that these kids were born in the 1990s. What that says to me is a few things:

Racism is definitely still present in the millennial generation and it is multigenerational.

These kids have to have zero black friends. And if they do they have zero respect for them whether they will admit it or not.

This is massive "group think" phenomenon exemplified. Where did this originate? At home? Within their obvious cultural bubble? Probably both to an extent.

 

[IrishLax]

Al Sharpton made that statement almost verbatim this morning on the Morning Joe show. Sharpton said the worst racism he experienced was in Brooklyn. He mentioned Howard Beach and some other NYC area specifically. Of course you'd probably put that down as worthless anecdotes too.

Yes, they are completely worthless anecdotes by a universally poorly regarded figure in terms of perspective, knowledge, accuracy, and veracity... who also has a vested financial and personal interest in anti-black racism being perceived as a global and pervasive problem.

Sharpton noted he still has the scars on his head from those "anecdotes".

OK.

Bishop was neither wrong nor ignorant. He didn't stoop to ad hominems either.

Yes, he was both. And he did the latter also.

Having lived in several parts of this country and worked in all of it I've experienced firsthand the things Bishop mentioned ... as have my black friends. Of course their experience would be discounted by you as well as it does fit your viewpoint.

Personal experiences are completely irrelevant to the discussion -- or really, any discussion ever when talking about a larger picture. To be frank and rude for a second, if you think otherwise I suggest you educate yourself on why anecdotes have little to no value.

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