Russia Invades Ukraine

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“ The Ukrainian leadership was ready to settle the conflict with Russia but gave up under the US pressure, Russia’s Security Council Secretary Nikolay Patrushev said on Thursday.

"Had it not been for the US pressure on those whom they installed at the head of Ukraine, this situation would have not happened, Even the Ukrainian leaders themselves were ready for signing a peace treaty and gave Russia written proposals that we, in principle, approved," Patrushev said, obviously referring to the negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations in Turkey in March last year

A new round of negotiations took place in Istanbul on March 29, 2022, following which Russian Delegation Head, Presidential Aide Vladimir Medinsky announced that Moscow had for the first time received Kiev’s principles of a possible future agreement in witting, stipulating, in particular, Ukraine’s neutral, non-aligned status commitments and its refusal to deploy foreign troops and armaments, including nuclear weapons, on its soil.

Russia pulled out its forces from the Kiev and Chernigov areas. However, the negotiations on the peaceful settlement were totally frozen after that and, as Russian President Vladimir Putin said, Kiev gave up the accords reached in Istanbul.”

Lol. So many sheep are misinformed. This should have ended in 2022. Many people are suckers and the MIC is the only one benefiting by keeping this going.
 
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Giddyup said:
“ The Ukrainian leadership was ready to settle the conflict with Russia but gave up under the US pressure, Russia’s Security Council Secretary Nikolay Patrushev said on Thursday.

"Had it not been for the US pressure on those whom they installed at the head of Ukraine, this situation would have not happened, Even the Ukrainian leaders themselves were ready for signing a peace treaty and gave Russia written proposals that we, in principle, approved," Patrushev said, obviously referring to the negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations in Turkey in March last year

A new round of negotiations took place in Istanbul on March 29, 2022, following which Russian Delegation Head, Presidential Aide Vladimir Medinsky announced that Moscow had for the first time received Kiev’s principles of a possible future agreement in witting, stipulating, in particular, Ukraine’s neutral, non-aligned status commitments and its refusal to deploy foreign troops and armaments, including nuclear weapons, on its soil.

Russia pulled out its forces from the Kiev and Chernigov areas. However, the negotiations on the peaceful settlement were totally frozen after that and, as Russian President Vladimir Putin said, Kiev gave up the accords reached in Istanbul.”

Lol. So many sheep are misinformed. This should have ended in 2022. Many people are suckers and the MIC is the only one benefiting by keeping this going.
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Of course the Russian security council would never lie about something like this right?
 
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Neither the US govt nor the Russian govt can be trusted. Our media and government have lost that privilege in my personal opinion. But there are always two sides, but yeah they must only be the deceitful ones. Classic tribal thinking that led to Vietnam War as well.

Nobody is talking anymore, just assuming the other side is evil, which is never a good thing.
 
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Giddyup said:
Neither the US govt nor the Russian govt can be trusted. Our media and government have lost that privilege in my personal opinion. But there are always two sides, but yeah they must only be the deceitful ones. Classic tribal thinking that led to Vietnam War as well.

Nobody is talking anymore, just assuming the other side is evil, which is never a good thing.
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And people wonder why Republicans are accused of being Russian sympathizers.
 
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No I’m stoked to just have a proxy shoot out war with nukes as a final step. Yeah, so exciting! Get peace talks going.
 
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The war started in 2014 and you morons just follow the elites media. Who wins with a nuke war with Russia? Not you or me, I’ll guarantee that. But the ones building the missiles and controlling the money and sending boys to war. Listen to war pigs.
 
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Giddyup said:
“ The Ukrainian leadership was ready to settle the conflict with Russia but gave up under the US pressure, Russia’s Security Council Secretary Nikolay Patrushev said on Thursday.

"Had it not been for the US pressure on those whom they installed at the head of Ukraine, this situation would have not happened, Even the Ukrainian leaders themselves were ready for signing a peace treaty and gave Russia written proposals that we, in principle, approved," Patrushev said, obviously referring to the negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations in Turkey in March last year

A new round of negotiations took place in Istanbul on March 29, 2022, following which Russian Delegation Head, Presidential Aide Vladimir Medinsky announced that Moscow had for the first time received Kiev’s principles of a possible future agreement in witting, stipulating, in particular, Ukraine’s neutral, non-aligned status commitments and its refusal to deploy foreign troops and armaments, including nuclear weapons, on its soil.

Russia pulled out its forces from the Kiev and Chernigov areas. However, the negotiations on the peaceful settlement were totally frozen after that and, as Russian President Vladimir Putin said, Kiev gave up the accords reached in Istanbul.”

Lol. So many sheep are misinformed. This should have ended in 2022. Many people are suckers and the MIC is the only one benefiting by keeping this going.
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I'm assuming the Ukrainians were ready to "settle" for Russian terms because they had no option. Not because they were ecstatic to surrender Crimea, Donbas, etc. It doesn't say anything about Russia willing to relinquish those gains. Russia was just willing to not take over the whole country. How is that a "settlement"? The U'S' gave them an option other than capitulation, and here we are now.
 
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And people wonder why Republicans are accused of being Russian sympathizers.
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Please don't lump all republicans into this . There is a loud group of people that seem to hold this opinion, but I can't see any way this represents republican values. If anything, appeasement to tyranny is something I'd expect from liberals.
 
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TracyGraham said:
Please don't lump all republicans into this . There is a loud group of people that seem to hold this opinion, but I can't see any way this represents republican values. If anything, appeasement to tyranny is something I'd expect from liberals.
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Republican here and I fully support Ukraine and don't think we are providing enough arms to them
 
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TracyGraham said:
Please don't lump all republicans into this . There is a loud group of people that seem to hold this opinion, but I can't see any way this represents republican values. If anything, appeasement to tyranny is something I'd expect from liberals.
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Republican here and I fully support Ukraine and don't think we are providing enough arms to them
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I think this is the more common view from Republicans. I and most of the Conservatives I know strongly support Ukraine and think we should be supporting them with weapons and intel. I don't want them to make peace with Russia if it includes ceding Crimea and other Ukrainian territory that Russia took.
 
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Republicans are Neville Chamberlain all over again...
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Republicans presided over peace. Biden/Harris has the record for evacuated embassies and now presides over a de-stabilized world.

In the real world- it is the Democrats who failed in Afghanistan and lost control of world peace and have taken the role of Mr. Chamberlain.
 
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calvegas04 said:
Republican here and I fully support Ukraine and don't think we are providing enough arms to them
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I don’t understand why we are so scared of Putin. Give Ukrainians what they need (not cash) and let them shoot the weapons where it matters. Putin is fighting the war the way he wants, to deprive Ukranians of everything he can (energy, food, etc.) and blasting civilians randomly. I want a more aggressive approach and a NATO alliance that is held to the fire. Our leadership craps its pants due to jet lag when needed to press NATO and won’t push anyone harder.
 
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drayer54 said:
I don’t understand why we are so scared of Putin. Give Ukrainians what they need (not cash) and let them shoot the weapons where it matters. Putin is fighting the war the way he wants, to deprive Ukranians of everything he can (energy, food, etc.) and blasting civilians randomly. I want a more aggressive approach and a NATO alliance that is held to the fire. Our leadership craps its pants due to jet lag when needed to press NATO and won’t push anyone harder.
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We are scared because they have a metric fuck ton of nuclear weapons, and we should be.

One of the things Obama did that I respect was deciding that the Ukraine was much more important to the Russians than us. Let them have it. We've already accomplished what we wanted, destroying a lot of their fighting capability. They aren't attacking anyone else anytime soon.
 
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