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koonja said:
DD obviously knows what he did and thinks he's innocent. If what he did is so aggregious that it is causing the delay, he's really, really dumb for acting like it's no big deal.
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That's not what I meant. I'm saying maybe one of the OTHER players did the egregious/unusual thing, and the reason DD is in the dark is because of the issues caused by that other person.
 
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That's not what I meant. I'm saying maybe one of the OTHER players did the egregious/unusual thing, and the reason DD is in the dark is because of the issues caused by that other person.
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That could be and my response wasn't targeted at you, just in general. If so, still very unfair to DD IMO. If you know someone's not guilty, don't make him suffer because of the rest IMO.
 
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Sure but if that's the case, then clear those that you know are innocent or are not a part of the larger issue. Why group them all together and hold one accountable for someone else's actions.
 
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The glass half full version (not my strong suit) is that the ND admin wants to clear the players but wants to be absolutely certain that there is no dirty laundry still hidden. If the ND admin says "these kids are innocent" they can't worry that something pops up a month from now that disproves that and makes the school look bad. Sometimes it takes longer to prove innocence than guilt.
 
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CarrollVermin said:
Sure but if that's the case, then clear those that you know are innocent or are not a part of the larger issue. Why group them all together and hold one accountable for someone else's actions.
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Well we don't know, and that's the rub isn't it? I'm not saying this explanation is what happened or even particularly likely. I'm just throwing out "well maybes..." and "but what ifs..." because we still literally know nothing. I think it's a mistake to say things like "there's no way that..." or "I refuse to accept..." when there are seven billion variables at play here and we don't know the value of any of them.

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The glass half full version (not my strong suit) is that the ND admin wants to clear the players but wants to be absolutely certain that there is no dirty laundry still hidden. If the ND admin says "these kids are innocent" they can't worry that something pops up a month from now that disproves that and makes the school look bad. Sometimes it takes longer to prove innocence than guilt.
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Another version that wouldn't be so bad is exactly the opposite. ND admin pretty much knows the players are guilty but wants to give them every possible benefit of the doubt before proceeding with punishment. Obviously, this would be a bad situation from a football perspective, but would alleviate many posters' concerns about the "incompetence" of ND's administration.
 
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To Koonja's point on DD's tweets...either DD is innocent and is vocal about it, or he may be the dumbest person to wear the uniform, by being public about his feelings when he knows he is guilty.
 
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CarrollVermin said:
To Koonja's point on DD's tweets...either DD is innocent and is vocal about it, or he may be the dumbest person to wear the uniform, by being public about his feelings when he knows he is guilty.
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Or..could be guilty in the eyes of ND but doesn't feel he did anything wrong.


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Grahambo said:
Or..could be guilty in the eyes of ND but doesn't feel he did anything wrong.


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DD could feel like what he did wasn't wrong. but ND does and it ends with him being gone... who knows
 
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CarrollVermin said:
Yeah, I think you are right on that one.
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Which could be a problem in its own right. If his grades are so borderline that he's on the verge of getting kicked out of school, even a failing grade for a paper or a course could be enough to push him below the acceptable GPA, even if there wouldn't otherwise be such a severe penalty for the cheating alone.
 
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Which could be a problem in its own right. If his grades are so borderline that he's on the verge of getting kicked out of school, even a failing grade for a paper or a course could be enough to push him below the acceptable GPA, even if there wouldn't otherwise be such a severe penalty for the cheating alone.
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Absolutely. But that doesn't take five weeks to figure out. Literally, its a five second calculation. And since he hasn't played since he was ineligible, he could not have participated in a game where he was ineligible. Does that make sense?
 
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CarrollVermin said:
Absolutely. But that doesn't take five weeks to figure out. Literally, its a five second calculation. And since he hasn't played since he was ineligible, he could not have participated in a game where he was ineligible. Does that make sense?
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Isn't there speculation that some of this happened like two years ago?
 
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Isn't there speculation that some of this happened like two years ago?
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There had been, yeah. Which I guess that was the point of the investigation. I would imagine, the investigation was over, they have to turn it over to the Dean/Honesty Board to render a decision if cheating had taken place and what the punishment would be. If they were guilty of said cheating and their GPA dropped below a 2.0 then they would have been ineligible...and the talk of vacating wins would begin with the NCAA. Still, I don't know if that fits. I don't know if the university is culpable if they were not aware of playing an ineligible player (that part I do not understand). That is what makes this frustrating in my eyes. If I understand this correctly, they cannot make decisions about the past (ineligibility, etc) unless they determine if the athlete was ineligible, which is what the Dean/Honesty Committee is charged with doing. Which is where it apparently sits.
 
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What the hell just happened here? Let's get this thread back on track. No more discussion on academic fraud, suspensions, etc.. We need to talk about our favorite recipes.
 
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I am thinking that (since many feel ND isn't waiting for the NCAA,) there are a couple of possibilities all centering on what the definition of "is" is :

How much editing is plagiarism, versus a paper full of original ideas with diction added.

What if this thing is so widespread past and present that it is impossible for a just punishment to be found for these kids; when it was so widespread in the past and probably an impossibility to manage with former students, etc.

The university is trying to come up with a standard set of rules or a pervasive policy to clearly identify the lines for all future occurrences.
 
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I'm looking for a great pizza dough recipe.....anybody have one? I've experimented with several and had good, but not great results.
 
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Tenacious D said:
I'm looking for a great pizza dough recipe.....anybody have one? I've experimented with several and had good, but not great results.
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Pick up your phone and call the pizza guy. They'll deliver the dough and even throw some stuff on top.

BTW, shouldn't your name be Tenacious T (for the teddy bear in your sig pic)?
 
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Tenacious D said:
I'm looking for a great pizza dough recipe.....anybody have one? I've experimented with several and had good, but not great results.
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Judging by your team icons, I assume you're from New England? Call your local bakery and see if they'll sell you Italian dough.
 
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wizards8507 said:
Judging by your team icons, I assume you're from New England? Call your local bakery and see if they'll sell you Italian dough.
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Where's the fun in that? I've bought Bertucci's and others before, and that's a pretty good dough....but really looking to roll my own, so to speak.
 
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Tenacious D said:
Where's the fun in that? I've bought Bertucci's and others before, and that's a pretty good dough....but really looking to roll my own, so to speak.
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You didn't specify that you're looking for the kinetic experience of making your own pie. I just thought you wanted some tasty 'za.
 
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I haven't read every post, so maybe this has been already explained away...but I feel the hold up now is the fact that this 'tutor, or whatever you want to call him/her" was paid by the university, and that now escalates this whole thing. Throw in the fact that apparently some inappropriate behavior has happened(cheating, plagarism, whatever, etc) which is tied in with someone that was paid by the University (even if only briefly) then it appears that the person that helped these students 'cheat' was paid by the university; there in lies the problem (or the perception of the university being involved with the cheating)

I'm taking the position that we wont see any of these players on the field this year, just because of the 'perception that the university paid this person to help these students cheat'

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