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That is no reason for this one scenario to have played out the way it did. That is no basis to not indict.
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That is no reason for this one scenario to have played out the way it did. That is no basis to not indict.
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Well now that a trial is not going to be had he took the first opportunity he could to tell his very inconsistent story to George Stephanopolous and went unchallenged through the whole thing.
The grand jury voted NO BILL that IS a fact.
You're right an indictment would not have appeased the masses. They wanted the Wilson executed.
And because Brown is dead he wasn't charged with theft, assault on the clerk, felonious assault on a police officer, and resisting arrest.
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Its also a FACT the processes used by this prosecutor was highly questionable and not typical.
Execution might have been what many wanted. Not me. I want field justice using lethal means to stop being dispensed by public servants regardless of race. Also Wilsons account is so full of holes that that alone should have been enough, let alone the killing.
And to the third, I have said as much several times. This encounter was not even regarding his theft and he SHOULD be in jail for all of those. The FACT that he committed those crimes and will not charged for them does not justify his killing though.
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But that is not what you said. You didn't say that this one incident indicated a need for an indictment. You said that every cop that shoots an unarmed civilian should be indicted.
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I don't think your opinion is wrong here, but sports figures have OFTEN used their celebrity to bring attention to political and social causes.
When Pat Tillman quit the NFL in a statement on patriotism, no one complained.
When some St. Louis football players came out of the tunnel with their hands in the air, some people went berserk.
There was a very significant basis to not indict. The Prosecutor didn't believe there were grounds. The prosecutor had the evidence asembled by the investigators just as the Justice Department does. To placate the masses McCollough made a political decision and let the grand jury sort it out rather than drop it himself.
The Justice Department had an army of agents and lawyers in Ferguson including the attorney general investigating. Holder has said changes need to be made in the department management but he hasn't issued a statement that the FBI and his staff found evidence to render an indictiment.
BTW, Toobin didn't differ with the grand jury's finding on NO Bill, he differed with the prosecutor's approach. This is the second time Toobin has said that.
When the grand jury transcripts were released, Toobin was asked as a former Justice Department staffer if he thought the Justice Department would pursue charges against Wilson. He replied no. He offered that while he differed with the prosecutor's approach he did not see grounds for the Justice Department to pursue Wilson.
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What would you call attacking a cop twice while trying to get his gun?
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Mea culpa.
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There are differning opinions that this occurred.
Tillman didn't wear a shirt "Enlist or die at the hands of terrirists at an NFL game or hold a photo op, did he?
He made a personal decision for which many people questioned his sanity. The NFL took ownership for one of their own was killed in action, even though it was friendly fire.
Funny that wasn't the NFL's styel in 1968 when Rocky Bleier was drafted the NFL did nothing. Although employers are required by law to hold the job of one drafted the Steelers didn't hold Bleier's number out, they issued it after the next NFL draft without skipping a beat. When Bleier was laying wounded in a VA hospital, the Steeler's owner sent him A POSTCARD noting the team wasn't doing well without him. Rooney didn't visit him, or send a coach, or a team trainer. He didn't call Bleir nor send a telegram. He sent A POSTCARD. And neither Rooney nor the NFL asked the Vietcong not to shoot.
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Michael Brown's DNA on the gun is pretty strong evidence that it did.
Yes, there are differing OPINIONS.
Then there is the evidence that was collected, processed and presented. Evidence that Attorney General Holder hasn't declared bogus. If there was no altercation in the car window than Wilson had no reason to fear for his life. Then he would have shot Brown over a misdeamnor theft. Forget a civil rights violation that would have been a murder. What is Holder waiting for? An opinion poll?
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It’s Incredibly Rare For A Grand Jury To Do What Ferguson’s Just Did | FiveThirtyEight
To be fair, in most cases, if a prosecutor doesn't feel like he has a case, he just won't bring it to a grand jury to begin with. Still, it seems like bad faith to bring the matter to a grand jury and then undermine your own case in order to get a near impossible result.
To be fair, in most cases, if a prosecutor doesn't feel like he has a case, he just won't bring it to a grand jury to begin with. Still, it seems like bad faith to bring the matter to a grand jury and then undermine your own case in order to get a near impossible result.
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Well there are differing OPINIONS, but the medical facts' story of the incident and Darren Wilson's story went together like peanut butter and jelly. The only real "differing opinion" was Michael Brown's partner in crime...well that and leftists, race hustlers, and the media who ate up the hood fairy tales and perjury from Dorian Johnson, a known perjurer. The hysterical calls for "justice" from social justice warriors are not evidence entered into the justice system (yet anyway).
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autopsy evidence showed that brown was very close to wilson when the gun first fired, and the angle of the entry wound of rounds fired later showed that brown was charging wilson.
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You may be missing the part where Brown was running away and was shot at or hit by gunshots in the back....
On another note, how the hell do you determine from an autopsy that someone was charging? Haha, really.
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You're missing the part where Brown started throwing ninja stars, released his pit bull to charge, and started calling the officer bad names.
"hit by gunshots in the back" Never happened except in Dorian Johnson's fabrication.
The physical evidence in the Michael Brown case supported the officer [updated with DNA evidence] - The Washington Post
So a Mishawaka police officer made shirts saying "Breathe Easy: Don't Break the Law" in response to the "I Can't Breathe" shirts. It is blowing up all across the country now
Local businessman, police officer selling 'Breathe Easy' t-shirts | Local - WSBT.com
Local businessman, police officer selling 'Breathe Easy' t-shirts | Local - WSBT.com
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the autopsy stated there were no gunshot entry wounds in the back of brown. so nope, i didn't miss anything.
also, if you have a pretty good idea of the stance of officer wilson when he's shooting....and you have the angle of the entry wound from the bullet...you can easily come up with the angle of brown's body at the time shots were fired. from those calculations, it was surmised that brown was charging.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>BREAKING: Two police officers shot in the head in Brooklyn, both critically injured. Story to come.</p>— New York Post (@nypost) <a href="https://twitter.com/nypost/status/546404758605795328">December 20, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Prosecutor Allowed False Testimony from Witnesses
Any lawyers here.... what are consequences of this? He stated he knew witnesses were clearly not at the scene or telling the truth but allowed them to testify anyways. Does it even matter legally, and as far as the grand jury process?
Any lawyers here.... what are consequences of this? He stated he knew witnesses were clearly not at the scene or telling the truth but allowed them to testify anyways. Does it even matter legally, and as far as the grand jury process?
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What's Holder doing?
What is Holder doing about anything on Ferguson?
Alledged police profiling?
Alledged police management issues?
Alledged police hiring practices?
Alledged police chief competency?
CSI team ineptness (lack of photos due to no battery, measurements)
Medical Examiner/Coroner (body on the street for 4 hours)
Prosecutor conflict of interest
Prosecutor method of presenting questionable testimony to the GJ
etc, etc, etc.
Meanwhile demonstrations continue and positions harden.
Meanwhile the Attorney General so quick to have an army of agents and lawyers in the field awaits what?
How about some direction Mr A.G.?
If the police department, ME, CSI's, and D.A.s office violated the law, how about charging them? And if they didn't, how about saying so.
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I agree with you and I am no fan of his, but Holder did not disagree with the GJ. I have to assume he was aware of the process, the evidence, witness credibility etc., the prosecutor decided to use. This is a failure at the local level through and through. I would love for him to charge those that did not fulfill their official duties. That would be great. I would love this prosecutor to get charged for knowingly providing false testimony to the GJ and failing to do his job. But at this point Holder can hardly say, "Yeah... I am not going to challenge the GJ verdict" and then turn around and indict people for being a part of the very thing he did not challenge.
"Feckless" hardly begins to describe Holder's position at this point.
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phgreek
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yea, it was pretty clear the media was incestuously and incessantly stoking the fire. And anyone who thinks all things that come out of academia are about the "science"...well God help ya. Like all things, buyer beware...
Oh and Soros could get stung by a 30 caliber bee...and I'd sleep ok.
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hold on, you're telling me that civil rights groups that were protesting the killing of Michael Brown get financial support? and some of that support comes from someone that I don't agree with? I think someone should murder that guy.
(oh yeah, and academia also sucks)
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Now you know the article talked about a number of tactics that have nothing to do with civil rights groups protesting, and everything to do with the ways in which Soros manipulates and sensationalizes things through the media, and funds academic papers for support of agenda not fact...and yea I disagree with him...but I disagree with alot of people. I don't wish harm on normal people. I wouldn't lose sleep if he got tipped over, because he doesn't want discourse, he wants the world in a certain vision he sees...one largely inconsistent with our system of government. He is an anarchist and propgandist and he is a genuinely bad dude. The part I'm laughing about is, had this been about the Koch brothers ...crickets.
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I think when you end your post by suggesting that someone with whom you disagree should be murdered it will probably generate a few objections no matter who it is that you're referencing.
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