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The cop who murdered Tamir Rice was a complete moron.

Officer Who Killed Tamir Rice Found Unfit in Previous Police Job - NBC News

The Cleveland police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month resigned from his previous small-town police job after less than five months when he was deemed emotionally unstable and unfit for duty — especially in his handling of firearms — according to personnel records released Wednesday.

Video released by the Cleveland police showed Officer Timothy A. Loehmann, 26, shooting Tamir immediately upon leaving his police car on Nov. 22. Investigators said Tamir was reaching into his waistband for a weapon — which turned out to be a toy pellet gun. The Cuyahoga County prosecutor plans to take the case before a grand jury to decide any charges.

Loehmann's Cleveland personnel file show that he was hired in May and that his resignation from the police department in the Cleveland suburb of Independence was noted.

The Independence squad released Loehmann's personnel records (PDF) Wednesday, showing he quit his $42,157-a-year job as a patrolman in training on Dec. 3, 2012 — just a day after he graduated from the Cleveland Heights Police Academy and less than five months after he was hired in July 2012.

In a November 2012 memo, Deputy Chief Jim Polak recommended that Loehmann be dismissed. He cited a report from a firearms instructor who said Loehmann showed up for training "distracted," "weepy" and unable to "communicate clear thoughts," as a result of which, "his handgun performance was dismal."

"Due to this dangerous loss of composure during live range training and his inability to manage this personal stress, I do not believe Ptl. Loehmann shows the maturity needed to work in our employment," Polak wrote on Nov. 29. "I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct the deficiencies."

Five days later, Loehmann resigned.

No justification. He didn't even pull the gun out. That guy came ready to kill. State-sanctioned drive-by.
 
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Chris Dorner being prophetic.

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They let Tamir Rice, a child, die. They let Eric Garner, a father, die.
 

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The cop who murdered Tamir Rice was a complete moron.

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Typically a murder involves premeditated planning before someone is killed. I don't think cops go around thinking "If I happen to run into Michael Brown today, even though I've never met him, I'm going to shoot him down." If anything, Rice was killed because of a premature response from the cop that fired on him.

Perhaps I'm splitting hairs here, but you've been very keen to focus on language lately, so I thought it was appropriate that you're not using words incorrectly.
 
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Regular people who shoot in a drive-by are charged with murder. The man who killed Tamir Rice shot him within 1.5 seconds of the car pulling up. He murdered him. Gunned down in a park.
 

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Regular people who shoot in a drive-by are charged with murder. The man who killed Tamir Rice shot him within 1.5 seconds of the car pulling up. He murdered him. Gunned down in a park.

Often a drive by is targeted at an individual because of a past grievance though. While innocent people can and have been hit by a drive by in the past, normally people aren't driving down the road and shooting random people for shits and giggles.
 
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The cop targeted Rice because of the phone call. I can't say anything more because I'm not in his mind, but I bet Rice had no chance when the officers got the call. No sane person would shoot that quickly, before a gun had even been drawn, on someone who was obviously a kid.
 
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Either way, no words I use or don't use doesn't change the fact that a 12 year old child was gunned down by a cop. It's despicable.
 

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where is the outrage for this

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NYPD was given a license to kill today.

How? Does a grand jury decision set binding legal precedent? Did they change a New York statute?

I think it's fair to argue that the grand jury was wrong (though that's kind of a tough position to take, because they had access to all the evidence and to explanations of the controlling law, which you don't know.) I also think it's really fair to question the whole grand jury system in the first place. Maybe there should be a rule saying auto-trial every time an officer kills an unarmed person. But that rule doesn't exist, and apparently given the rules that do exist a jury of our peers did not think the evidence merited a conviction.

I think there's a very good argument to be made, and a lot of evidence building up to support the argument, that cops tend to use more force in responding to incidents with blacks than with whites. That's why I made the Tommy Rees post a few pages back; he was a big guy who used physical force to resist an arrest. The cop responded with pepper spray and not pistol fire because of his preconceptions going into the incident: he knew that he was dealing with a drunk college kid, he wasn't worried that Rees was going to pull a gun or a knife.

Compare that to a lot of these videos and to the Brown killing; the cops seem a little bit too eager to resort to lethal force in response to perceived danger (worth noting that a chokehold is not normally lethal force). Is that discriminatory? I think so. But I also have trouble blaming the cops because they aren't making the danger up. When a split second delay can kill you, you sometimes have to act on less than perfect information. Like I said earlier, we probably want our cops going on patrols in high crime areas, even if it means a mistake is made every now and then.

It's also worth noting that there is a common theme to all of these videos. The eventual victims do ignore or actively disobey the officer's orders. And I think that is, in the end, why Grand Juries have been unwilling to indict the officers. I think there's a sense that once you choose to ignore a police officer's orders -and certainly if you choose to try to physically resist a police officer- you have actively risked your life.

In general we (as a society) want to have police actively patrolling the streets, especially in dangerous areas. We want people to cooperate with police. And we don't want to risk making rules that restrain police in ways that might get them killed.

So I guess I share your sense that these deaths are tragedies, but not your sense of outrage.
 
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Are you going to continue making this dumb comparison? 1) Laurence Campbell wasn't hired by the government to "protect and serve". He was a criminal and criminals do crime, especially awful murderers like him. 2) If he wasn't killed after he killed the officer, he would have been indicted and convicted. The man who killed Eric Garner didn't even go to trial.
 
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How? Does a grand jury decision set binding legal precedent? Did they change a New York statute?

I think it's fair to argue that the grand jury was wrong (though that's kind of a tough position to take, because they had access to all the evidence and to explanations of the controlling law, which you don't know.) I also think it's really fair to question the whole grand jury system in the first place. Maybe there should be a rule saying auto-trial every time an officer kills an unarmed person. But that rule doesn't exist, and apparently given the rules that do exist a jury of our peers did not think the evidence merited a conviction.

I think there's a very good argument to be made, and a lot of evidence building up to support the argument, that cops tend to use more force in responding to incidents with blacks than with whites. That's why I made the Tommy Rees post a few pages back; he was a big guy who used physical force to resist an arrest. The cop responded with pepper spray and not pistol fire because of his preconceptions going into the incident: he knew that he was dealing with a drunk college kid, he wasn't worried that Rees was going to pull a gun or a knife.

Compare that to a lot of these videos and to the Brown killing; the cops seem a little bit too eager to resort to lethal force in response to perceived danger (worth noting that a chokehold is not normally lethal force). Is that discriminatory? I think so. But I also have trouble blaming the cops because they aren't making the danger up. When a split second delay can kill you, you sometimes have to act on less than perfect information. Like I said earlier, we probably want our cops going on patrols in high crime areas, even if it means a mistake is made every now and then.

It's also worth noting that there is a common theme to all of these videos. The eventual victims do ignore or actively disobey the officer's orders. And I think that is, in the end, why Grand Juries have been unwilling to indict the officers. I think there's a sense that once you choose to ignore a police officer's orders -and certainly if you choose to try to physically resist a police officer- you have actively risked your life.

In general we (as a society) want to have police actively patrolling the streets, especially in dangerous areas. We want people to cooperate with police. And we don't want to risk making rules that restrain police in ways that might get them killed.

So I guess I share your sense that these deaths are tragedies, but not your sense of outrage.

Cops were told that choking a man to death on camera is not a crime for them. They won't get indicted.

Garner shouldn't have to listen to police when they were arresting him for no reason. No cigarettes were found on him. He was being targeted by psycho cops. How can I not be outraged when I see an innocent man get killed with no punishment for the killer? The cops were in the wrong the entire time.
 

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Looks like he removed the tweet, but it certainly looks like he said it as he's responded to comments.

Still, why can't the peaceful protesters do their thing on the sidewalk?

A protest that blocks vehicular or pedestrian traffic is illegal without a permit.
 
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Protesting on the sidewalk makes it easier to be ignored. In the street is in your face. People have to face the discomfort of a protest.
 

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The cop targeted Rice because of the phone call. I can't say anything more because I'm not in his mind, but I bet Rice had no chance when the officers got the call. No sane person would shoot that quickly, before a gun had even been drawn, on someone who was obviously a kid.
I would respectfully disagree with this. This incident, along with many others are unfortunate and I think most people would hope for a different outcome that didn't involve anyone, regardless of race, losing their life. With that being said, there have been many law enforcement officers that have lost their own life because of hesitation in similar situations. I would agree that this situation could have been handled in a different manner that would have circumvented this tragedy from happening. Whether that be stopping further away and utilizing alternate forms of communication from a distance, or whatever else.

It could have been the officer involved made the wrong decision initially to pull up to the child in question, and contact him within a close proximity. The proximity to the individual could have heightened the threat in the officers view, therefore leading to a quick decision that ended up being horrific.

The biggest issue in law enforcement today is not racism on the individual officers part, but the lack of training on an institutional level. Many officers are placed in positions that they have not had training on for a long period of time, and are expected to make the right decision every time. If the right decision isn't made, then they will be chastised and demonized for making the wrong decision. In all actuality, they have been put in a position by not having the training necessary when dealing with the most important situation in regards to using deadly force.

In contrast, escalation of force and the rules of engagement are gone over every single day with our military. These things cover when it is okay and not okay to utilize deadly force. It is talked about during every warning order before combat patrols, before taking up post to protect the base, and before going out on convoys. I know for a fact that it is not covered to that extent in law enforcement where the lines are even more skewed than in combat, and repercussions are even more sever.
 
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If it's someone who is more like Dillon Taylor, a drunk adult, than someone who is clearly a kid, it's better to treat it with more caution for the kid. If he had drawn the gun, it'd be more justifiable. However he didn't do any of that. He was a scared kid.
 

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Protesting on the sidewalk makes it easier to be ignored. In the street is in your face. People have to face the discomfort of a protest.

Gonna have a hard time siding with protesters that shut down traffic, especially if they don't have a permit. They're breaking the law, and it's there for a reason. There are plenty of ways to protest, it doesn't need to be done in the street to get the point across. It's the same bullshit logic that violent protest is the only voice/response for some people.
 
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Gonna have a hard time siding with protesters that shut down traffic, especially if they don't have a permit. They're breaking the law, and it's there for a reason. There are plenty of ways to protest, it doesn't need to be done in the street to get the point across. It's the same bullshit logic that violent protest is the only voice/response for some people.

The law doesn't protect them clearly, so why should they follow this one? It's civil disobedience. It is necessary so they are not ignored. Shutting down traffic makes it harder to live, just like how cops have made it hard for people to live.
 

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The law doesn't protect them clearly, so why should they follow this one? It's civil disobedience. It is necessary so they are not ignored. Shutting down traffic makes it harder to live, just like how cops have made it hard for people to live.

Yup, cops just make our lives harder, it would be so much better if they weren't around. Actually, in a number of these cases the officers are responding to reports that someone was spotted with a weapon in the area, or a robbery occurred, etc. They are actually risking their lives to try and protect and serve the people of their communities. These cops aren't just walking down the road, looking for people to randomly shoot. If a number of these individuals would comply with requests and orders from the police, they wouldn't have been shot. Not every case is the same, and a few officers have jumped the gun, but they've also been within their rights as well.
 

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If it's someone who is more like Dillon Taylor, a drunk adult, than someone who is clearly a kid, it's better to treat it with more caution for the kid. If he had drawn the gun, it'd be more justifiable. However he didn't do any of that. He was a scared kid.
Which is exactly why training is so paramount in issues like this. It is easy to pin all responsibility on the individual involved, and the media condones this by making it in large part an individual issue involving race. The inadequate training in law enforcement is what I believe leads to more of the situations than anything else.

I have no information to believe that most of these situations involve an officer that made a decision to take another human beings life based on the color of their skin. I do feel that officers are making decisions based on the information presented, and without the proper training needed to adequately assess the threat and base their decision off of past operational experience.
 

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The law doesn't protect them clearly, so why should they follow this one? It's civil disobedience. It is necessary so they are not ignored. Shutting down traffic makes it harder to live, just like how cops have made it hard for people to live.

Does such action help solve the problem or make things better for them? In other words, are they trying to do what they think will actually effect a positive change or just pitching a public temper tantrum?
 
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Does such action help solve the problem or make things better for them? In other words, are they trying to do what they think will actually effect a positive change or just pitching a public temper tantrum?

Yes it draws attention to the cause for ending police brutality in America. It already has created a strong push for body camson cops. "Public temper tantrum", like these are kids not getting a toy at a store. It's police killing unarmed people, kids. This isn't a temper tantrum. It's rightful, justified anger.
 
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