Rioting in St Louis

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

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[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The prosecutor held a press conference to discredit the witnesses and victim. This prosecutor's entire family is cops. This is why a special prosecutor was needed for any semblance of justice.

 

[adsnorri]

Anyone who lets this change the way they view a race is already racist & looking for excuses.

I like this guy.....

Violent protest is necessary only after peaceful protests go unheard. Well, at this point I would calculate that the people of Ferguson feel unheard. I would also calculate that this is also the case across the country. If you noticed, there were protests across major cities last night.

Side note: I watched the CNN telecast and saw a horrific act from the police... three of the reporters were talking near the police baricade and a fast moving group of people we're carrying a woman's body towards the police, yelling for help from a medic. They we're yelling Heart attack! Right after that the police opened fire with excessive amounts of tear gas into this same group of people asking for help.

Later in the broadcast, a lady was extremely upset. Reporter asked her what is going on. She says: we were taking a lady that had a heart attack over to the medic/police and they opened fire with tear gas. Most of the tear gas was right on top of the lady that needed help.

This is absolute bullshit and show's no restraint.

My guess, live rounds were very scarce last night among officers. Only a select few probably had them so that there were no mistakes. Otherwise, I am sure there would have been. That is why you are hearing reports of gunfire-none coming from officers....However, I would also presume that the gunfire was in the direction of the sky because there is no chance in hell that 150 rounds are fired without someone at least getting hit.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

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[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Police Have a Much Bigger Domestic-Abuse Problem Than the NFL Does - The Atlantic

Should the National Football League suspend or ban any player caught assaulting a wife or girlfriend? That seems to be the conventional wisdom since video emerged of running back Ray Rice knocking his wife unconscious in an elevator, even as reports surface that many more NFL players have domestic-abuse records.

While I have no particular objection to a suspension of any length for such players, the public focus on NFL policy seems strange and misplaced to me. Despite my general preference for reducing the prison population, an extremely strong person rendering a much smaller, weaker person unconscious with his fists, as Rice did, is a situation where prison is particularly appropriate. More generally, clear evidence of domestic abuse is something that ought to result in legal sanction. Employers aren't a good stand in for prosecutors, juries, and judges.

Should ex-convicts who abused their partners be denied employment forever? I think not. Our notion should be that they've paid their debt to society in prison. Pressure on the NFL to take a harder line against domestic abuse comes in the context of a society where the crime isn't adequately punished, so I totally understand it. Observing anti-NFL rhetoric, you'd nevertheless get the impression that other employers monitor and sanction domestic abuse incidents by employees. While I have nothing against pressuring the NFL to go beyond what the typical employer does, I fear that vilifying the league has the effect of misleading the public into a belief that it is out of step with general norms on this issue. Domestic violence is less common among NFL players than the general population.

And there is another American profession that has a significantly more alarming problem with domestic abuse. I'd urge everyone who believes in zero tolerance for NFL employees caught beating their wives or girlfriends to direct as much attention—or ideally, even more attention—at police officers who assault their partners. Several studies have found that the romantic partners of police officers suffer domestic abuse at rates significantly higher than the general population. And while all partner abuse is unacceptable, it is especially problematic when domestic abusers are literally the people that battered and abused women are supposed to call for help.

If there's any job that domestic abuse should disqualify a person from holding, isn't it the one job that gives you a lethal weapon, trains you to stalk people without their noticing, and relies on your judgment and discretion to protect the abused against domestic abusers?

The opprobrium heaped on the NFL for failing to suspend or terminate domestic abusers, and the virtual absence of similar pressure directed at police departments, leads me to believe that many people don't know the extent of domestic abuse among officers. This is somewhat surprising, since a country shocked by Ray Rice's actions ought to be even more horrified by the most egregious examples of domestic abuse among police officers. Their stories end in death.

There's the recently retired 30-year veteran police officer who shot his wife and then himself in Colorado Springs earlier this summer. There's Tacoma Police Chief David Brame, who perpetrated another murder-suicide in April. (Update: it's in fact the tenth anniversary of this crime, which I missed in the ABC story.) Also in April, an Indiana news station reported on "Sgt. Ryan Anders, a narcotics officer," who "broke into his ex-wife's home and fatally shot her. He then turned the gun on himself." In February, "Dallas police confirmed ... that a Crandall police officer shot and killed his wife before killing himself." Last year, a Nevada police officer killed his wife, his son, and then himself. And Joshua Boren, a Utah police officer, "killed his wife, their two children, his mother-in-law and then himself" after receiving "text messages ... hours earlier threatening to leave him and take their kids and confronting him for raping her." That isn't an exhaustive survey, just a quick roundup of recent stories gleaned from the first couple pages of Google results. And statistics about "blue" domestic abuse are shocking in their own way.

As the National Center for Women and Policing noted in a heavily footnoted information sheet, "Two studies have found that at least 40 percent of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10 percent of families in the general population. A third study of older and more experienced officers found a rate of 24 percent, indicating that domestic violence is two to four times more common among police families than American families in general." Cops "typically handle cases of police family violence informally, often without an official report, investigation, or even check of the victim's safety," the summary continues. "This 'informal' method is often in direct contradiction to legislative mandates and departmental policies regarding the appropriate response to domestic violence crimes." Finally, "even officers who are found guilty of domestic violence are unlikely to be fired, arrested, or referred for prosecution."

What struck me as I read through the information sheet's footnotes is how many of the relevant studies were conducted in the 1990s or even before. Research is so scant and inadequate that a precise accounting of the problem's scope is impossible, as The New York Times concluded in a 2013 investigation that was nevertheless alarming. "In many departments, an officer will automatically be fired for a positive marijuana test, but can stay on the job after abusing or battering a spouse," the newspaper reported. Then it tried to settle on some hard numbers:

In some instances, researchers have resorted to asking officers to confess how often they had committed abuse. One such study, published in 2000, said one in 10 officers at seven police agencies admitted that they had “slapped, punched or otherwise injured” a spouse or domestic partner. A broader view emerges in Florida, which has one of the nation’s most robust open records laws. An analysis by The Times of more than 29,000 credible complaints of misconduct against police and corrections officers there strongly suggests that domestic abuse had been underreported to the state for years.

After reporting requirements were tightened in 2007, requiring fingerprints of arrested officers to be automatically reported to the agency that licenses them, the number of domestic abuse cases more than doubled—from 293 in the previous five years to 775 over the next five. The analysis also found that complaints of domestic violence lead to job loss less often than most other accusations of misconduct.
A chart that followed crystallized the lax punishments meted out to domestic abusers. Said the text, "Cases reported to the state are the most serious ones—usually resulting in arrests. Even so, nearly 30 percent of the officers accused of domestic violence were still working in the same agency a year later, compared with 1 percent of those who failed drug tests and 7 percent of those accused of theft."

 

[tussin]

I like this guy.....

Violent protest is necessary only after peaceful protests go unheard. Well, at this point I would calculate that the people of Ferguson feel unheard. I would also calculate that this is also the case across the country. If you noticed, there were protests across major cities last night.

Side note: I watched the CNN telecast and saw a horrific act from the police... three of the reporters were talking near the police baricade and a fast moving group of people we're carrying a woman's body towards the police, yelling for help from a medic. They we're yelling Heart attack! Right after that the police opened fire with excessive amounts of tear gas into this same group of people asking for help.

Later in the broadcast, a lady was extremely upset. Reporter asked her what is going on. She says: we were taking a lady that had a heart attack over to the medic/police and they opened fire with tear gas. Most of the tear gas was right on top of the lady that needed help.

This is absolute bullshit and show's no restraint.

My guess, live rounds were very scarce last night among officers. Only a select few probably had them so that there were no mistakes. Otherwise, I am sure there would have been. That is why you are hearing reports of gunfire-none coming from officers....However, I would also presume that the gunfire was in the direction of the sky because there is no chance in hell that 150 rounds are fired without someone at least getting hit.

Yeah, the violent protests were totally necessary. This case hasn't received enough media coverage.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Releasing the verdict at night was asking for violence. Tell me otherwise.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Yeah, the violent protests were totally necessary. This case hasn't received enough media coverage.

And the media coverage changed nothing. Peaceful protests changed nothing. The riots in August were the only thing that did anything, getting a grand jury. Even if the grand jury was rigged by a dirty prosecutor and was apparently filled with morons who believed Wilson when he said that his bullets were giving Michael Brown strength, it's still something.

 

[adsnorri]

Yeah, the violent protests were totally necessary. This case hasn't received enough media coverage.

Dude, really? People getting killed is not good. When there is trend of certain types of people getting killed/oppressed it is REALLY not good.

Why is this a hard concept for people to learn? Regardless of any of the facts....A young person got killed. Why another?

Maybe if it was your son, it would be a little more different.

 

[wizards8507]

-MLK

It's not 1964.

 

[tussin]

Dude, really? People getting killed is not good. When there is trend of certain types of people getting killed/oppressed it is REALLY not good.

Why is this a hard concept for people to learn? Regardless of any of the facts....A young person got killed. Why another?

Maybe if it was your son, it would be a little more different.

Right, so the solution is to burn the city to the fucking ground.

Ironically, Michael Brown's immediate family have been some of the loudest voices calling for peaceful protests.

 

[wizards8507]

Maybe if it was your son, it would be a little more different.

I'm guessing my son won't be a violent criminal.

 

[calvegas04]

Interviewing shop owners right now, they are all very disappointed in their community with their lack of care and respect for each other. Its so sad that this had to happen to them. Im sure this is what MLK wanted for them.

 

[wizards8507]

Right, so the solution is to burn the city to the fucking ground.

Right? They're burning BLACK-owned businesses in a primarily BLACK neighborhood. They're destroying their own community, not exacting revenge on their great oppressor.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

It's not 1964.

Not much has changed. Racism isn't over. The same problems are still here.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Interviewing shop owners right now, they are all very disappointed in their community with their lack of care and respect for each other. Its so sad that this had to happen to them. Im sure this is what MLK wanted for them.

Look at all of the MLK quotes I've posted today.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

MLK was gunned down in a conspiracy, had a letter from the FBI urging him to kill himself. He did a lot of good but it wasn't enough when stuff like housing discrimination, stop and frisk, police brutality, and segregation still exists.

 

[wizards8507]

Racism isn't over.

Oh you've made that abundantly clear with your hatred over and over again.

I can't speak to the contents of any man's heart other than my own. I know that I work with black people, white people, Hispanic people, Asian people, women, men, straight people, gay people, Catholics, protestants, atheists, older people, and younger people, and not once has race ever had an impact on my relationship with those folks.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm guessing my son won't be a violent criminal.

I think that's a valid point that get's lost in all this. Brown obviously showed a prior history of violent behavior. Just before the shooting he assaulted a store clerk and robbed the place, is it hard to believe he may have approached the cop as well? Whether he was armed or not doesn't really matter, he was unarmed for the robbery and still did damage.

 

[calvegas04]

Not much has changed. Racism isn't over. The same problems are still here.

Yeah racism is still hear, you think it will ever go away?? And it goes both ways blacks racist against whites, and whites racist against blacks. Rioting isn't gonna change someones outlook.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Racists don't have their outlook changed ever. Racism against whites is essentially meaningless when non-whites have no power in most situations.

 

[GATTACA!]

Right, so the solution is to burn the city to the fucking ground and steal a bunch of shit.

Ironically, Michael Brown's immediate family have been some of the loudest voices calling for peaceful protests.

FTFY

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Even Zimmerman's lawyer was saying this was fixed.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

People are more concerned about property than human lives, and that's a huge problem that rioting has shown. There's 1 million excuses for killing an unarmed person but no excuses for rioting because of it.

 

[ulukinatme]

People are more concerned about property than human lives, and that's a huge problem that rioting has shown. There's 1 million excuses for killing an unarmed person but no excuses for rioting because of it.

What excuses are there to assault an innocent clerk and rob his store?

 

[Rack Em]

The rioters tore Drue Tranquill's ACL because they're racists.

 

[GATTACA!]

What excuses are there to assault an innocent clerk and rob his store?

Its irrelevant. People will only acknowledge what is convenient for them. Before you know it we will be hearing about how he taught sunday school.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

What excuses are there to assault an innocent clerk and rob his store?

I didn't know that was a death sentence. Thank God we are gunning down thieving 18 year olds in the street over some rillos.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Its irrelevant. People will only acknowledge what is convenient for them. Before you know it we will be hearing about how he taught sunday school.

That's not coming from one side. It's coming more from the other side, who ignore that stealing rillos isn't a death sentence.

 

[wizards8507]

Racists don't have their outlook changed ever. Racism against whites is essentially meaningless when non-whites have no power in most situations.

The most powerful man in the world is a half-black Hawaiian guy named "Barack Hussein Obama." Spare me your sob stories about how "non-whites" have no power.

People are more concerned about property than human lives, and that's a huge problem that rioting has shown. There's 1 million excuses for killing an unarmed person but no excuses for rioting because of it.

There are very few excuses for killing an unarmed person, actually. One of them is self-defense. Another is insufficient or conflicting evidence.

No, there are no excuses for rioting ever. You can believe what you want and protest what you want, but rioting is violence for violence's sake. If these demonstrations had any productive value towards a stated goal, then they'd be getting much more sympathy.