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Like everyone else on IE, I was flabbergasted & heartbroken by the loss to Michigan. The Irish did a lot of things right, but enough things wrong to lose it; won more battles but still lost the war. Many others have pointed out how both of these games have hinged on just a few mistakes, and that gives me reason to hope. Don't get me wrong, I don't blindly go about with shamrock-tinted glasses on. The rest of this season will be tough. The way the Irish are playing, nothing looks like a gimmee. If ND doesn't clean up its act, we'll be LUCKY to finish 6-6, and we could do worse. But, I seriously believe we can do better and turn the corner. So, for all of you that woke up with angry, bitter hangovers, here are my reasons to keep the faith.

1.) We aren't the only team that's struggling:
The 2 games I watched prior to ND were OSU & South Carolina. Both of these teams went in ranked (15 & 12, respectively) against teams they should've handled, easily. But OSU struggled all game against Toledo (!) and won by 6, while S. Carolina went down to the wire against Georgia only won by only 3. This may seem apples to oranges because both of these teams won while ND lost. But, remember, the Irish aren't the only team that's having a hard time and making mistakes; ours are just more spectacularly bad.

2.) ND is making a lot of (correctable) mistakes:
The mistakes are bad and costly; but most can be fixed. DBs not looking for the ball while in coverage, shoddy tackling (saw a few plays where a Michigan ball carrier went through 4-5 defenders before he went down), too many penalties, and shoddy special teams play. These thing can all be fixed or at least minimized with some work. This biggest problem is turnovers, especially with Rees. That, to me, looks simple. Brian Kelly should have Tommy write on a chalkboard 100 times "I will not throw into double coverage, especially on 1st down, unless the game is on the line."

3.) Improved play calling:
Brian Kelly has 2 pretty decent RBs but seems to have only 2 running plays; 1 for each of them. Michigan showed that even a sub-par defense can stuff your run game if you punch it between the tackles EVERY TIME. Try a sweep, a draw play, or how about a WR reverse for Floyd, which would be a thing of beauty. Even if these plays aren't big yardage gainers, they will put opposing defenses on notice that, even if they are 100% sure ND is running, they still have to spread out and defend the whole LOS rather then just tackle-to-tackle.

4.) Make adjustments:
I likes that the Irish D was aggressive against Michigan early, putting pressure on Robinson and getting sacks and INTs. When UM is down big in the 4th quarter, you know Denard is going to have to toss bombs to try to gain big yardage which is what happened. So why didn't they play more guys in coverage as a result? I know Denard burned ND for lots of run yards last year, but everyone knew that wasn't going to happen with UM down 10 points in the 4th. Put more Irish defenders in coverage to take away the long ball (and tell Gray to turn around and LOOK!). If Denard takes off to run, so what? Let him burn the time on a run. You have a bunch of guys playing coverage who should be able to close, contain, and tackle. Make adjustments on both sides of the ball based on the situation you're in.

I don't know everything, but I do know that this Irish team is more talented and capable than this 0-2 start suggests. If Kelly & company can make some adjustments and improvements, we can make a solid run for the rest of the season, finish in the rankings, and play (and win) in a bowl game. Keep the faith and go Irish!
 

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Welcome to IE. Only got one thing I disagree with your post is the first point about other teams struggling..... I don't care. I Only care about the Irish and hate to see them going through this.

I'm not trying to berate you or your post, but don't be surprised that this early after this second and heart-breaking loss that idiots like me say shi!t that may offend you!!!

Diz

p.s. once you get to know me, I'm really not that bad!!!! LOL :banghead2
 

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Good assessment BI.
I agree.After taking a much needed day off...I've realized we are actually very close to being a really good team.We have beaten ourselves.We gave those wins to USF and UM.They didn't beat us.Anyone watching those games knows that.
Our problems are fixable,easily fixable.It's just simple fundamentals.Don't make so many stupid penalties,and hold onto the ball.2 very simple things.

I still have faith in Kelly,even though I had a little tirade last night and was ready to jump ship. We can still turn this season around guys.
 

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Where is the "reverse pass from goodman" ...I mean not literally that play but something from the bag of tricks!? When you have a chance to slam the door and find yourself sputtering, dial one up...I was begging for one from 2nd quarter on!
 

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Welcome to IE. Only got one thing I disagree with your post is the first point about other teams struggling..... I don't care. I Only care about the Irish and hate to see them going through this.

I'm not trying to berate you or your post, but don't be surprised that this early after this second and heart-breaking loss that idiots like me say shi!t that may offend you!!!

Diz

p.s. once you get to know me, I'm really not that bad!!!! LOL :banghead2

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Big difference between OSU/eUSC, and ND right now, and it has nothing to do with talent. Those other two teams are 2-0, and did what they needed to at the end to win. We have simply not done that yet, and the record speaks for itself. Nobody will remember when Toledo "almost" beat OSU, a win is a win. With that said, let's go get some wins.......
 

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great chance for a win over a top 15 team this weekend!
 

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based on what? he's not the one that plays the game. the student athletes do. the mistakes are on them, not the coach.

nd has dominated both line's of scrimmage the last two games and the bounces have gone the opposing team's way. our boys keep making mistakes that aren't systemic.

the real blunder to me was gray on michigan's 64 yard reception that lead to the winning TD. other than that, i thought our defensive scheme was spot on. we played well enough offensively to win the game. denard robinson and company got lucky as hell.

bad breaks and mistakes is this team's undoing, not the coaching.
 

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mick1 and i had a few conversations over the weekend.

what did he have to say?

just remember i was the original mick on the board. i was the infamous "theMick" before being banned forever.

after years of rebuilding i returned as the almighty mick2!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Like everyone else on IE, I was flabbergasted & heartbroken by the loss to Michigan. The Irish did a lot of things right, but enough things wrong to lose it; won more battles but still lost the war. Many others have pointed out how both of these games have hinged on just a few mistakes, and that gives me reason to hope. Don't get me wrong, I don't blindly go about with shamrock-tinted glasses on. The rest of this season will be tough. The way the Irish are playing, nothing looks like a gimmee. If ND doesn't clean up its act, we'll be LUCKY to finish 6-6, and we could do worse. But, I seriously believe we can do better and turn the corner. So, for all of you that woke up with angry, bitter hangovers, here are my reasons to keep the faith.

1.) We aren't the only team that's struggling:
The 2 games I watched prior to ND were OSU & South Carolina. Both of these teams went in ranked (15 & 12, respectively) against teams they should've handled, easily. But OSU struggled all game against Toledo (!) and won by 6, while S. Carolina went down to the wire against Georgia only won by only 3. This may seem apples to oranges because both of these teams won while ND lost. But, remember, the Irish aren't the only team that's having a hard time and making mistakes; ours are just more spectacularly bad.

2.) ND is making a lot of (correctable) mistakes:
The mistakes are bad and costly; but most can be fixed. DBs not looking for the ball while in coverage, shoddy tackling (saw a few plays where a Michigan ball carrier went through 4-5 defenders before he went down), too many penalties, and shoddy special teams play. These thing can all be fixed or at least minimized with some work. This biggest problem is turnovers, especially with Rees. That, to me, looks simple. Brian Kelly should have Tommy write on a chalkboard 100 times "I will not throw into double coverage, especially on 1st down, unless the game is on the line."

3.) Improved play calling:
Brian Kelly has 2 pretty decent RBs but seems to have only 2 running plays; 1 for each of them. Michigan showed that even a sub-par defense can stuff your run game if you punch it between the tackles EVERY TIME. Try a sweep, a draw play, or how about a WR reverse for Floyd, which would be a thing of beauty. Even if these plays aren't big yardage gainers, they will put opposing defenses on notice that, even if they are 100% sure ND is running, they still have to spread out and defend the whole LOS rather then just tackle-to-tackle.

4.) Make adjustments:
I likes that the Irish D was aggressive against Michigan early, putting pressure on Robinson and getting sacks and INTs. When UM is down big in the 4th quarter, you know Denard is going to have to toss bombs to try to gain big yardage which is what happened. So why didn't they play more guys in coverage as a result? I know Denard burned ND for lots of run yards last year, but everyone knew that wasn't going to happen with UM down 10 points in the 4th. Put more Irish defenders in coverage to take away the long ball (and tell Gray to turn around and LOOK!). If Denard takes off to run, so what? Let him burn the time on a run. You have a bunch of guys playing coverage who should be able to close, contain, and tackle. Make adjustments on both sides of the ball based on the situation you're in.

I don't know everything, but I do know that this Irish team is more talented and capable than this 0-2 start suggests. If Kelly & company can make some adjustments and improvements, we can make a solid run for the rest of the season, finish in the rankings, and play (and win) in a bowl game. Keep the faith and go Irish!

Agreed completely and rep this. We are very close to being a good team, however just a few more points I would like to make.

The unfortunate, or maybe fortunate thing for us is that we may just be getting over the hump as the season winds down and we lose a bunch of experience and quality guys to graduation. We could be extremely thin in the defensive backfield, running back and WR spots next year. That being said, it could be a blessing in disguise to lose come quality talent that were Charlie Weis guys. The whole mentality of the program under Charlie stunk, and it seems like Brian Kelly is SPOT on with his assessment that you can't start winning until you stop losing. Talent aside, it is evident to me that Brian Kelly recruits a different kind of player not just physically, but mentally. I think once the program is filled with all his guys it will pay dividends more than people realize.

Touching on the run game, I LOVE what both Cierre and Jonas are doing with the ball behind this offensive lind. Also agree we need to see a toss sweep or something outside the tackles. The read option has outside and off tackle runs, but the back must come across the center of the formation to get the hand off from the QB, and thus can't really get outside the crashing DE's and OLB on short yardage downs where Michigan brough the house. We ran a few plays on 3rd and short from under center where a toss sweep would have been a great play call if you felt the need to run...Cierre would still be running!

Furthermore, notice I said in my last sentence "if you felt the need to run". My biggest issue with the play calling the past few games is the complete lack of PLAY ACTION!!! On 3rd and 1 both times Michigan brough everybody. A quick playaction dump the the TE on 3rd and 1, or in other situations during the game, a playaction and shot vertically down the field was set up beautifull, but we never went to it. I said the same thing repeatedly against USF. Running the ball and getting 5-7 yards on 1st down is awesome. Being able to come back on 2nd and 4 and pick up another 5-7 yards is even better. BUT....one of the residual effects of a consistent running game is that it opens up playaction, even against the best defenses out there. If Floyd is getting single coverage, how do we go a whole game running the ball at will, and not once run playaction and give him a shot down the field against single man coverage.

Lastly, where is the Leprechaun formation? If we are going to run the ball on 3rd and 1, this is another option that beats what Kelly is doing. One of the drawbacks of lining up behind center and handing the ball off is your instantly playing 9 vs 11 as the guy carrying the ball, and the quarterback are both eliminated from the play as blocers. if you have a 3rd and 1, why not just completely remove you QB from the game, line Cierre or Theo up in the backfield and play 10 vs 11 . Considering you dont have to block the further defender opposite the side of the run you are now in even numbers and its simply mano y mano. Or hell even put Goodman in the Leperchaun and add the possible threat of a pass, Im sure Michigan knows he can throw it around the yard a bit.
I won't even mention the idea of Hendrix or golson on short yardage situations...but lets just say it is VERY hard to stop the read option for getting a yard with an athletic QB.

Playcalling was too vanilla on 3rd and 1 two or three times IMO.

Danny Fox was beast last week, and I like his speed and athleticism on the field. We also need to find a way to start getting Niklas and Ishaq some reps on D. Flemming is not getting it done at the moment. He needs to start sharing some snaps with those youngsters. Him getting his ankles broken on that screen play that went for a TD was all too reminiscent of what Tate Forcier did to him two years ago.

Lastly, George Atkinson and Davaris Daniels are too good of athletes to not be seeing the field at all. If the coaches plan on saving a year of eligibility on them as long as injuries don't force their hand, then I understand. But, if the plan is to get these kids game action this year, we need to get them on the field, especially Atkinson.

Tommy Rees should never roll out again as long as he wears the ND uniform. Nothing good comes of it.
 

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Zeke Motta reminds me of Harrison Smith from two years ago, and Harrison Smith reverted back to that same guy the last two games.

I agree that BK doesn't seem to have a deep playbook when it comes to runs. The call for trick plays is funny, cuz you guys would be the same ones calling for his head if he called it and it failed. Just sayin...
 

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Zeke Motta reminds me of Harrison Smith from two years ago, and Harrison Smith reverted back to that same guy the last two games.

I agree that BK doesn't seem to have a deep playbook when it comes to runs. The call for trick plays is funny, cuz you guys would be the same ones calling for his head if he called it and it failed. Just sayin...

If you were referring to my post, I would not consider playaction on 3rd and 1, or a leperchaun formation which is a power running formation to be trick plays. Now, if we decided to run an end around, flea flicker, or half back pass on 3rd and 1 and blew it, I might be singing a different tune. I can tell you this much though, it sure would have been nice having even a semi mobile QB on those 3rd and 1s. A naked bootleg was WIDE open, but no way Tommy has the mobility to get outside, so I understand why that was never an option.
 

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If you were referring to my post, I would not consider playaction on 3rd and 1, or a leperchaun formation which is a power running formation to be trick plays. Now, if we decided to run an end around, flea flicker, or half back pass on 3rd and 1 and blew it, I might be singing a different tune. I can tell you this much though, it sure would have been nice having even a semi mobile QB on those 3rd and 1s. A naked bootleg was WIDE open, but no way Tommy has the mobility to get outside, so I understand why that was never an option.

Been playing a bit too much NCAA 12, eh?
 

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OSU also had most of their starters suspended. I am still flummoxed as to what happened. For 3 quarters we were crushing them, and then they found Gary Gray. Any top tier defense would have had about 8 INTs that game.

The sad reality for UM fans is that they think they are going places. They are going to get *** hammered when they start in on real defenses.

PS: Kelly is not on fraud alert. He is doing what he said he would. Manufacture offense. Diaco is responsible for the defense.
 
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OSU also had most of their starters suspended. I am still flummoxed as to what happened. For 3 quarters we were crushing them, and then they found Gary Gray. Any top tier defense would have had about 8 INTs that game.

The sad reality for UM fans is that they think they are going places. They are going to get *** hammered when they start in on real defenses.

denard was chucking and praying all night! jebusssss! that pissed me off. tired of making mediocre qbs look awesome.

the dude is a running back playing qb. its ridiculousssss
 

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Zeke Motta reminds me of Harrison Smith from two years ago, and Harrison Smith reverted back to that same guy the last two games.

I agree that BK doesn't seem to have a deep playbook when it comes to runs. The call for trick plays is funny, cuz you guys would be the same ones calling for his head if he called it and it failed. Just sayin...

The last 2 weeks ND has played against QB's who float 90% of their passes yet the DB's are playing like Aaron Rodgers is throwing lasers at the receivers. If they can just make an attempt to turn their heads back to the ball these ridiculous under thrown passes could get intercepted or at least batted down.
 

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Robinson completed 11 passes to his team and three to us out of 24 attempts. So over 10% of his passes were INT and about 25% of his completions were to the wrong team. What a POS. Sadly, properly thown the passes would have been defended better.

At least half of the completions to his team were WAY under thrown, not by design. DBs looking at Michigan on their schedule are licking their chops.
 

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I didn't mention 2 other things because even though they were problems, there's nothing ND can do about them
1.) Catching a break with the refs would be nice. At the end of 1 play, a ND player & a UM guy were still locked up in blocking. They pushed each other off, then the UM guy (#7) hauls off & punches the ND guy in the head. Would've been nice to get a personal foul flag on that if the refs weren't blind. Also, there was the very generous spot UM got in the 4th quarter when Denard obviously got stuffed on 3rd and short but they got the 1st after the chains came out. Everyone and their mother saw Denard get stopped at least 1-2 feet short but I guess the refs wanted to give him an "A" for effort.

2.) We need to stop having "the luck of the Irish." For those of you who don't know, the term doesn't refer to the Irish being incredibly lucky. The term was actually coined after the Irish started coming to this country in droves. They lived in desperate situations, faced terrible prejudice (Irish Need Not Apply), and were treated like animals (a common ethnic slur was "donkey"). They were expendable cheap labor and thousands of them died building bridges, railroads, tunnels, etc. To have "the luck of the Irish" means having life beat you into the gutter then stop to take a leak on your bloody head. Notre Dame has had way too much of this kind of luck. We could use some of the good kind. How about 4 leaf clovers on the helmets next week against MSU? It couldn't hurt.
 

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I didn't mention 2 other things because even though they were problems, there's nothing ND can do about them
1.) Catching a break with the refs would be nice. At the end of 1 play, a ND player & a UM guy were still locked up in blocking. They pushed each other off, then the UM guy (#7) hauls off & punches the ND guy in the head. Would've been nice to get a personal foul flag on that if the refs weren't blind. Also, there was the very generous spot UM got in the 4th quarter when Denard obviously got stuffed on 3rd and short but they got the 1st after the chains came out. Everyone and their mother saw Denard get stopped at least 1-2 feet short but I guess the refs wanted to give him an "A" for effort.

2.) We need to stop having "the luck of the Irish." For those of you who don't know, the term doesn't refer to the Irish being incredibly lucky. The term was actually coined after the Irish started coming to this country in droves. They lived in desperate situations, faced terrible prejudice (Irish Need Not Apply), and were treated like animals (a common ethnic slur was "donkey"). They were expendable cheap labor and thousands of them died building bridges, railroads, tunnels, etc. To have "the luck of the Irish" means having life beat you into the gutter then stop to take a leak on your bloody head. Notre Dame has had way too much of this kind of luck. We could use some of the good kind. How about 4 leaf clovers on the helmets next week against MSU? It couldn't hurt.

I paused that T'eo hit on Robinson a few times and for the life of me cannot believe the spot. Those were Big East Officials but I really wonder how much worse Big Ten ones would have been. On the personal foul you describe, the ref was RIGHT THERE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE EXCHANGE and did not flag it. I also liked the block to the back on T'eo on one of the ridiculous long plays late in the fourth. Wide open field and an obvious penalty.
 
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