Racism

[ulukinatme]

Yeah you can really see the antisemitic movement present in the Left. You see the president meeting with people like Nick Fuentes, or when antisemites are in public they often wear his merchandise. Or when they were deciding on who to take over for Nancy, they considered someone who called himself David Duke without the baggage.

The antisemites call themselves Republicans, and the Jewish people overwhelmingly vote for Dems.

U.S. Presidential Elections: Jewish Voting Record

Dive into a treasure trove of over 27,000 articles and 12,000 photographs and maps that bring Jewish history, politics, and culture to life.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Voting patterns of Jews doesn't mean Liberals support them more, quite the contrary. Conservatives actually side much more with Israel than Palestine. This is from a 2021 Gallup, before the current conflict even occurred. It's not even close, conservatives overwhelming support Israel.

The Partisan Gap in Support for Israel Seems Permanent | Council on Foreign Relations

Polls taken in 2021 and 2022 show a significant gap between Republicans and Democrats in their levels of support for Israel and for the Palestinians.

www.cfr.org

This is a change over time, as the Washington Post reported about a February 2021 poll by Gallup:

A decade ago, by margins of about 2-to-1, Democrats said their sympathies were more with Israelis than with Palestinian Arabs. Polling in February showed Democrats now closely divided, with 42 percent saying their sympathies were with Israelis and 39 percent citing the Palestinian Arabs. That compares with a 79 percent to 11 percent split in favor of Israelis among Republicans.

Also, Trump was the first US President to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and had the American embassy moved there.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Voting patterns of Jews doesn't mean Liberals support them more, quite the contrary. Conservatives actually side much more with Israel than Palestine. This is from a 2021 Gallup, before the current conflict even occurred. It's not even close, conservatives overwhelming support Israel.

The Partisan Gap in Support for Israel Seems Permanent | Council on Foreign Relations

Polls taken in 2021 and 2022 show a significant gap between Republicans and Democrats in their levels of support for Israel and for the Palestinians.

www.cfr.org

Also, Trump was the first US President to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and had the American embassy moved there.

He also was the first president to recognize the Golan Heights as Part of Israel.

 

[TorontoGold]

Voting patterns of Jews doesn't mean Liberals support them more, quite the contrary. Conservatives actually side much more with Israel than Palestine. This is from a 2021 Gallup, before the current conflict even occurred. It's not even close, conservatives overwhelming support Israel.

The Partisan Gap in Support for Israel Seems Permanent | Council on Foreign Relations

Polls taken in 2021 and 2022 show a significant gap between Republicans and Democrats in their levels of support for Israel and for the Palestinians.

www.cfr.org

Also, Trump was the first US President to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and had the American embassy moved there.

I place more value in the opinion of the actual people. If they believe that the Left represents them more then I'll believe that. Doesn't matter what you or I say, the jewish people believe they are better served voting for democrats.

As well, there is a fundamental misunderstanding that supporting Israel = supporting Jewish people. There are almost as many Jewish people living in the US as there are in Israel. To say one religion is monolithic is completely wrong. That would be like saying all Catholic's supported what happened in Ireland and any support for the IRA was an endorsement towards their actions. Or that Muslims endorse the actions of islamic radicals and their actions.

 

[ulukinatme]

I place more value in the opinion of the actual people. If they believe that the Left represents them more then I'll believe that. Doesn't matter what you or I say, the jewish people believe they are better served voting for democrats.

As well, there is a fundamental misunderstanding that supporting Israel = supporting Jewish people. There are almost as many Jewish people living in the US as there are in Israel. To say one religion is monolithic is completely wrong. That would be like saying all Catholic's supported what happened in Ireland and any support for the IRA was an endorsement towards their actions. Or that Muslims endorse the actions of islamic radicals and their actions.

Well that's just , like, your opinion, man. They may believe they're better served voting for democrats, but that doesn't mean the democrats are more favorable to them or less anti-semetic. This current conflict is opening eyes.

The left faces a reckoning as Israel divides Democrats

The divide on the left about Israel is not new, but it has never been so visible.

www.nbcnews.com

American Jews, who are overwhelmingly liberal, have often supported social justice movements. Simonds said while most progressive leaders have offered support, he feels betrayed by others on the left who have not.

“It’s not going to change the way we look at justice,” Simonds said. “It’s going to change the way we look at our allies.”

Israel has been so fraught in some progressive circles that many preferred not to talk about it, enforcing a sort of strategic silence to avoid dividing the movement and distracting it from common ground issues.

That long-stifled debate is now spilling into public view in heated and sometimes ugly ways, dividing Democrats and exposing what some say is antisemitism that has been allowed to fester on the left for years.

 

[TorontoGold]

Well that's just , like, your opinion, man. They may believe they're better served voting for democrats, but that doesn't mean the democrats are more favorable to them or less anti-semetic. This current conflict is opening eyes.

The left faces a reckoning as Israel divides Democrats

The divide on the left about Israel is not new, but it has never been so visible.

www.nbcnews.com

It's like, not my opinion - it's from the Jewish Virtual Library. Who cares what I have to say. Jewish Voting Record in U.S. Presidential Elections.

I hope any antisemitic comments are properly addressed and admonished by those that are impacted. The issue that many here seem to be missing is that criticisms of Israel do not mean criticisms of the jewish religion. It's antisemitic to paint every jewish person as supporting the state of Israel, but I'm not going to bang that drum.

Palestinians =/= Hamas
Jewish people =/= Israeli government

Supporting human rights for Palestinians does not mean you are a Hamas supporter, criticizing the Israeli government does not make you an antisemite.

The comment I responded to was Drayer calling the Left as a whole the side of antisemitism, which we know is not true. Take the words of those involved in the discussion, Jewish people align themselves closer to the Left and white supremacist groups align themselves with the Right.

Are there bad faith actors using the plight of the Palestinian people to be antisemitic? Absolutely and they should be destroyed. It is the responsibility of those at the rallies to distance themselves from these trash bags. The hand wringing that many on the Left have done for calling out the neo nazi sympathies of those on the Right need to be done for similar bad actors that infiltrate pro-Palestinian movements.

 

[GoIrish41]

Remember when “the left” grabbed their tiki torches and chanted “Jews will not replace us?” Yeah, me neither. It is not anti-Semitic to believe the Palestinian people are being oppressed by Israel. They are and have been my entire life. I also believe minority groups are mistreated in America. That doesn’t make me unAmerican just as pointing to the clear mistreatment by Israel of the Palestinians does not make me anti-Semitic. It makes me a person who sees the world with open eyes and an advocate for humanity. Ulukinatme, as usual, with the shit take. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[ulukinatme]

It's like, not my opinion - it's from the Jewish Virtual Library. Who cares what I have to say. Jewish Voting Record in U.S. Presidential Elections.

I hope any antisemitic comments are properly addressed and admonished by those that are impacted. The issue that many here seem to be missing is that criticisms of Israel do not mean criticisms of the jewish religion. It's antisemitic to paint every jewish person as supporting the state of Israel, but I'm not going to bang that drum.

Palestinians =/= Hamas
Jewish people =/= Israeli government

Supporting human rights for Palestinians does not mean you are a Hamas supporter, criticizing the Israeli government does not make you an antisemite.

The comment I responded to was Drayer calling the Left as a whole the side of antisemitism, which we know is not true. Take the words of those involved in the discussion, Jewish people align themselves closer to the Left and white supremacist groups align themselves with the Right.

Are there bad faith actors using the plight of the Palestinian people to be antisemitic? Absolutely and they should be destroyed. It is the responsibility of those at the rallies to distance themselves from these trash bags. The hand wringing that many on the Left have done for calling out the neo nazi sympathies of those on the Right need to be done for similar bad actors that infiltrate pro-Palestinian movements.

I'm not saying Jewish Americans don't vote liberal, that's not in question. You said antisemites call themselves Republicans. There's no data point that shows that, it's your opinion. If anything, the data shows otherwise.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Jews warned to stay out of Brooklyn.

Rather than protecting Jews, we’re being told to hide — again

Lawyer Gerard Filitti holds a press conference announcing that Jewish students at Cooper Union who were hiding in a library during a pro-Palestine protest will file a lawsuit against the school.

nypost.com

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm not saying Jewish Americans don't vote liberal, that's not in question. You said antisemites call themselves Republicans. There's no data point that shows that, it's your opinion. If anything, the data shows otherwise.

Again, not my opinion, it's the opinion of Jewish people.

Poll: Nearly 7 in 10 US Jews think Republican Party holds anti-Semitic views - The Times of Israel

American Jewish Committee surveys also find 52% of all Americans think GOP holds anti-Semitic opinions; 82% of US Jews say anti-Semitism on rise in last 5 years

www.timesofisrael.com

Ooops Texas GOP chair - Influential Texas activist Jonathan Stickland hosted white supremacist Nick Fuentes at office near Fort Worth

I'll be on the look out for Dems that invite white supremacists like Nick Feuntes to their offices.

 

[Sea Turtle]

 

[drayer54]

I place more value in the opinion of the actual people. If they believe that the Left represents them more then I'll believe that. Doesn't matter what you or I say, the jewish people believe they are better served voting for democrats.

As well, there is a fundamental misunderstanding that supporting Israel = supporting Jewish people. There are almost as many Jewish people living in the US as there are in Israel. To say one religion is monolithic is completely wrong. That would be like saying all Catholic's supported what happened in Ireland and any support for the IRA was an endorsement towards their actions. Or that Muslims endorse the actions of islamic radicals and their actions.

Those were also voting patterns before people were barricaded and beaten

 

[drayer54]

Again, not my opinion, it's the opinion of Jewish people.

Poll: Nearly 7 in 10 US Jews think Republican Party holds anti-Semitic views - The Times of Israel

American Jewish Committee surveys also find 52% of all Americans think GOP holds anti-Semitic opinions; 82% of US Jews say anti-Semitism on rise in last 5 years

www.timesofisrael.com

Ooops Texas GOP chair - Influential Texas activist Jonathan Stickland hosted white supremacist Nick Fuentes at office near Fort Worth

I'll be on the look out for Dems that invite white supremacists like Nick Feuntes to their offices.

What about Democrats who fundraise with J street? Universities who say Israel shouldn’t exist?

 

[TorontoGold]

Those were also voting patterns before people were barricaded and beaten

That was after a registered Republican neonazi killed someone at a white supremacist rally where they chanted jews will not replace us. I'm glad the sitting president was able to take a measured approach and say there were good people on both sides.

Still waiting for the empty husk Joey B to call Hamas "good people".

DeSantis Country flag being flown beside Nazi/SS stuff. Haven't seen any of these tankies flying some sort of Dem flag.



Why is David Duke a registered republican? He should be registered Dem if there is truly an antisemitic leftwing pipeline. Very odd that he keeps endorsing republicans.

 

[Irish#1]

It will be interesting to see if the Jewish vote changes after all of these demonstrations against Jews and Israel.

 

[calvegas04]

Finally the left and the nazi's have something to bond over

 

[DillonHall]

It will be interesting to see if the Jewish vote changes after all of these demonstrations against Jews and Israel.

Yeah, the Pro-Palestine movement didn't have such vocal supporters in US government before the Squad. We'll see how Jewish people react to the open hostility they're experiencing

All of a sudden, gay rights don't seem that important when your own life is threatened. We'll see if anything changes

 

[ulukinatme]

Again, not my opinion, it's the opinion of Jewish people.

Poll: Nearly 7 in 10 US Jews think Republican Party holds anti-Semitic views - The Times of Israel

American Jewish Committee surveys also find 52% of all Americans think GOP holds anti-Semitic opinions; 82% of US Jews say anti-Semitism on rise in last 5 years

www.timesofisrael.com

Ooops Texas GOP chair - Influential Texas activist Jonathan Stickland hosted white supremacist Nick Fuentes at office near Fort Worth

I'll be on the look out for Dems that invite white supremacists like Nick Feuntes to their offices.

Your false equivalencies are astounding. How Jewish people feel about Trump, or where some asswipe like Nick Feuntes goes, isn't indicative of the composition of anti-semites in either political party. Those one offs make no connections whatsoever. We already know that conservatives strongly favor Israel over Palestine, but polls show they favor Jews more too.



When you look at anti-semitism in government the two most vocal active officials are Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib from the Democrat party. One or both of them have been kicked off committees for their past comments, which they've had to walk back due to backlash. I'm not going to pretend there aren't bad apples on both sides, but the numbers clearly show conservatives have more favorable views towards Jews.

 

[ulukinatme]

It will be interesting to see if the Jewish vote changes after all of these demonstrations against Jews and Israel.

It already has in places. In the last exit polls in Virginia they showed a 10% decline in Democrat support among Jews. New York recently flipped a City Council seat and a County Legislator to Republican Jews in the last election, Mazi Melesa Pilip and Inna Vernikov. I also found this:

According to the data, 33% of Jewish voters polled voted Republican in the 2022 midterm election, up from 30% in 2020 and 24% in 2016.

US midterm exit poll: Increased number of Jews vote for Republican Party

According to data after Tuesday's election, 33% of US Jewish voters polled voted Republican, up from 30% in 2020 and 24% in 2016.

www.jpost.com

It should be noted that among Orthodox Jews they strongly favor Republicans and have for some time. According to the Times of Israel in 2021, 75% of Orthodox Jews vote Republican which is up from 57% in 2013. The Orthodox Jewish population is in the minority in the US by a good bit, but they're projected to grow in the next two decades.

 

[drayer54]

It will be interesting to see if the Jewish vote changes after all of these demonstrations against Jews and Israel.

I don't see how it doesn't. Silly people liken this to Charlottesville, but when you look at how many people and places are going into this Jewish hatred and the bizarre silence of the DEI community that normally has a hair trigger, it's hard to ignore. Biden's message has been consistent, but his staff and party should be grilled about their colleagues.

 

[TorontoGold]

Your false equivalencies are astounding. How Jewish people feel about Trump, or where some asswipe like Nick Feuntes goes, isn't indicative of the composition of anti-semites in either political party. Those one offs make no connections whatsoever. We already know that conservatives strongly favor Israel over Palestine, but polls show they favor Jews more too.

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When you look at anti-semitism in government the two most vocal active officials are Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib from the Democrat party. One or both of them have been kicked off committees for their past comments, which they've had to walk back due to backlash. I'm not going to pretend there aren't bad apples on both sides, but the numbers clearly show conservatives have more favorable views towards Jews.

False equivalencies? I'm using the opinion of the people that matter. Telling me that the opinions of the actual people involved don't matter is.....something. But yes keep trumpeting how well Jewish people are taken care by the Republican party, just don't ask them!

Also LOL @ the delta between the favorability between the parties. Literally the closest of the largest religions. Let's not lose sight of the party of religion and freedoms having a negative opinion of BUDDHISM. We scroll down a bit further and.....ah, Sikhs those nasty folks with the turbans. One of the most laid back religions but a net 21% negative favorability lmao.

Oh man, you routinely hold the jewish religion up as a monolith and that by virtue of supporting Israel that means GOP = supporters of Judaism. That is fundamentally flawed. Wild.

 

[ulukinatme]

False equivalencies? I'm using the opinion of the people that matter. Telling me that the opinions of the actual people involved don't matter is.....something. But yes keep trumpeting how well Jewish people are taken care by the Republican party, just don't ask them!

Also LOL @ the delta between the favorability between the parties. Literally the closest of the largest religions. Let's not lose sight of the party of religion and freedoms having a negative opinion of BUDDHISM. We scroll down a bit further and.....ah, Sikhs those nasty folks with the turbans. One of the most laid back religions but a net 21% negative favorability lmao.

Oh man, you routinely hold the jewish religion up as a monolith and that by virtue of supporting Israel that means GOP = supporters of Judaism. That is fundamentally flawed. Wild.

Unless Jews are voting for which party is the most antisemitic, their voting pattern means nothing in that regard lol. So, yes, false equivalencies. Lots of Catholics in the US vote liberal, but the Catholic church doesn't support abortion and only 26% of practicing Catholics believe in abortion. How someone votes isn't indicative of their beliefs, and how a group votes 100% doesn't represent a completely different group's actual beliefs LOL. It would be like me drinking vodka and you assuming I'm from Poland or Russia. More effectively to use the Catholic analogy again, if I as a Catholic voted Democrat it's like you're assuming Republicans must be pro-Choice because I'm voting the other way from my religion. That's the flawed logic you're using. But yeah...no false equivalency there...

How Jewish people vote means absolutely nothing when it comes to the makeup of antisemitism in a party. There's no correlation there at all, and even if we decided to hypothetically believe there was such a correlation, we know that Jews are trending away from Democrats currently. When Jews in Virginia were polled in the last election they said the two most important issues for them were the economy and education, two issues that Youngkin pushed for. What wasn't in the top 2: antisemitism, like the false flag stunt Democrats staged with actors dressed as white supremacists. As previously mentioned, Jews are also voting Republican increasingly up to 33% from 24% 6 years ago. At that rate in another 10 years the numbers will be nearly even.

That's great you want to talk about Buddhism and Sikh's, Mr. Vortex, but they have nothing to do with this current topic of Jews and antisemitism, so try to focus. You can distract from the data as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that conservatives look more favorably towards jews by 15% and therefore are less likely to be antisemitic.

 

[TorontoGold]

Unless Jews are voting for which party is the most antisemitic, their voting pattern means nothing in that regard lol. So, yes, false equivalencies. Lots of Catholics in the US vote liberal, but the Catholic church doesn't support abortion and only 26% of practicing Catholics believe in abortion. How someone votes isn't indicative of their beliefs, and how a group votes 100% doesn't represent a completely different group's actual beliefs LOL. It would be like me drinking vodka and you assuming I'm from Poland or Russia. More effectively to use the Catholic analogy again, if I as a Catholic voted Democrat it's like you're assuming Republicans must be pro-Choice because I'm voting the other way from my religion. That's the flawed logic you're using. But yeah...no false equivalency there...

How Jewish people vote means absolutely nothing when it comes to the makeup of antisemitism in a party. There's no correlation there at all, and even if we decided to hypothetically believe there was such a correlation, we know that Jews are trending away from Democrats currently. When Jews in Virginia were polled in the last election they said the two most important issues for them were the economy and education, two issues that Youngkin pushed for. What wasn't in the top 2: antisemitism, like the false flag stunt Democrats staged with actors dressed as white supremacists. As previously mentioned, Jews are also voting Republican increasingly up to 33% from 24% 6 years ago. At that rate in another 10 years the numbers will be nearly even.

That's great you want to talk about Buddhism and Sikh's, Mr. Vortex, but they have nothing to do with this current topic of Jews and antisemitism, so try to focus. You can distract from the data as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that conservatives look more favorably towards jews by 15% and therefore are less likely to be antisemitic.

Ahhhhh there voting pattern means nothing, got it. So why do Jewish people vote overwhelmingly Dem? Dems are the party of antisemitism because "dude trust me, the Jews are just stupid for voting for the antisemites".

Antisemitism is on another level than singular part of someone's religious beliefs. I am not going to dive into the whole religious litmus test topic of how "devout" someone is.

Wtf? Economy and education. What do you honestly think the message Terry McAullife was running on.....anti-economy and anti-education? Holy hell lmao you'll be shocked to find out that jewish people have a lot of the same priorities that you may have too.

Did you even look at the Jewish voting history? Like even a little bit? Go back to Reagan and Bush Sr. and share with the class what the %'s were. You'll then walk back your laughable claim that in 10 years it'll be nearly even. The people using the antisemitic dogwhistle about "globalists" are going to be awfully shocked when Jewish people don't want to support them.

Commenting on your little chart at how hilarious that Republicans dislike traditionally peaceful/passive religions isn't a "vortex" - we can address these points at a later date because I know there's likely a very good reason for why republicans don't think kindly to those religions. But back to your point - I'm adding it as point that Republican's tend to be more religious, so when they are overwhelmingly negative against Buddhism and Sikh's makes me wonder what reasons there are for them to not like those religions.

Also being jewish is an ethnicity too! As I've come to know a lot of ethnically jewish people who aren't religious in the slightest will not have favorable views on Judaism. Why are you saying that Jewish people's opinions on who is antisemitic doesn't matter? Who is the best at deciding if something is antisemitic? Probably the people who are actually that religion lmao.

 

[ulukinatme]

Ahhhhh there voting pattern means nothing, got it. So why do Jewish people vote overwhelmingly Dem? Dems are the party of antisemitism because "dude trust me, the Jews are just stupid for voting for the antisemites".

Antisemitism is on another level than singular part of someone's religious beliefs. I am not going to dive into the whole religious litmus test topic of how "devout" someone is.

Wtf? Economy and education. What do you honestly think the message Terry McAullife was running on.....anti-economy and anti-education? Holy hell lmao you'll be shocked to find out that jewish people have a lot of the same priorities that you may have too.

Did you even look at the Jewish voting history? Like even a little bit? Go back to Reagan and Bush Sr. and share with the class what the %'s were. You'll then walk back your laughable claim that in 10 years it'll be nearly even. The people using the antisemitic dogwhistle about "globalists" are going to be awfully shocked when Jewish people don't want to support them.

Commenting on your little chart at how hilarious that Republicans dislike traditionally peaceful/passive religions isn't a "vortex" - we can address these points at a later date because I know there's likely a very good reason for why republicans don't think kindly to those religions. But back to your point - I'm adding it as point that Republican's tend to be more religious, so when they are overwhelmingly negative against Buddhism and Sikh's makes me wonder what reasons there are for them to not like those religions.

Also being jewish is an ethnicity too! As I've come to know a lot of ethnically jewish people who aren't religious in the slightest will not have favorable views on Judaism. Why are you saying that Jewish people's opinions on who is antisemitic doesn't matter? Who is the best at deciding if something is antisemitic? Probably the people who are actually that religion lmao.

Why do Jewish people vote Dem? Did you bother you read anything I just wrote? Do all people vote for a party strictly as single issue voters, or do they typically have more than one reason for aligning either left or right? People vote certain ways for a variety of reasons. For instance, regular church going Catholics tend to vote conservative and are pro-Life, but other Catholics that identify with the socials lessons of the Bible like helping the needy are pro-Choice. It doesn't mean they don't switch or overlap, and unless they're a single issue voter their stance on abortion isn't the deciding factor in choosing a party. To expand on the question though: there are a lot of articles and books out there on why Jews vote the way they do, and some on why they should switch. I know it's the Guardian and they're skewed left but here's a bit of what they had to say:

Why Jewish Americans vote Democratic | Harry J Enten

Harry J Enten: A striking aspect of the new Pew survey on Jewish Americans is how liberal Jews are. Is it good for the Democrats? You bet

www.theguardian.com

The reason American Jews are liberal is because they tend to sympathize with the less fortunate and with minorities: like many black and Hispanic Americans, 54% of Jews believe government should be bigger, with more services, compared to just 40% of the public at large who believe the same. And 82% of Jews think that homosexuality should be accepted by society, while just 57% of the general public believes so.

That's just a bit. No where in that article did "antisemitism" come into play with their voting. If such a link determined voting I'm pretty sure the Guardian would jump on it. There are other reasons Jews vote liberal historically in this country from other articles I read, one of which goes back to the early Jewish immigrants being first welcomed in New England where they settled, which was predominantly liberal already.

The point is people vote for different parties for a variety of reasons. You can try to force a square peg into a round hole, but your bogus voting logic doesn't hold water. I've already poked holes in it, but you refuse to accept it. There is no correlation between Jewish voting based on antisemitism in either party, show me some evidence to back this up because you're strictly stating a hilariously flawed opinion. I'm not sure how else I can get you to understand that.

I'm well aware of the Jewish voting record. Did you even look at the numbers? In 6 years Jews have moved almost 10% towards the right in voting. I said "If that rate continues it'll be close to even in 10 years." Is simple math too hard for you grasp? Let me break it down for you. In the last election they voted 33% conservative which was up from 24% 6 years ago. That's an increase of 1.5% per year. IF (Yeah, big if based on their voting history) that rate continues, that 33% jumps to 48% in 10 years and they're almost even. Despite that trend I'm guessing the rate doesn't continue at that speed given the historical voting records of American Jews, but it's not a good trend for liberals either way. The Democrats being a divided party on Israel can't help matters there.

 

[PerthDomer]

Why do Jewish people vote Dem? Did you bother you read anything I just wrote? Do all people vote for a party strictly as single issue voters, or do they typically have more than one reason for aligning either left or right? People vote certain ways for a variety of reasons. For instance, regular church going Catholics tend to vote conservative and are pro-Life, but other Catholics that identify with the socials lessons of the Bible like helping the needy are pro-Choice. It doesn't mean they don't switch or overlap, and unless they're a single issue voter their stance on abortion isn't the deciding factor in choosing a party. To expand on the question though: there are a lot of articles and books out there on why Jews vote the way they do, and some on why they should switch. I know it's the Guardian and they're skewed left but here's a bit of what they had to say:

Why Jewish Americans vote Democratic | Harry J Enten

Harry J Enten: A striking aspect of the new Pew survey on Jewish Americans is how liberal Jews are. Is it good for the Democrats? You bet

www.theguardian.com

That's just a bit. No where in that article did "antisemitism" come into play with their voting. If such a link determined voting I'm pretty sure the Guardian would jump on it. There are other reasons Jews vote liberal historically in this country from other articles I read, one of which goes back to the early Jewish immigrants being first welcomed in New England where they settled which was predominantly liberal already.

The point is people vote for different parties for a variety of reasons. You can try to force a square peg into a round hole, but your bogus voting logic doesn't hold water. I've already poked holes in it, but you refuse to accept it. There is no correlation between Jewish voting based on antisemitism in either party, show me some evidence to back this up because you're strictly stating a hilariously flawed opinion. I'm not sure how else I can get you to understand that.

I'm well aware of the Jewish voting record. Did you even look at the numbers? In 6 years Jews have moved almost 10% towards the right in voting. I said "If that rate continues it'll be close to even in 10 years." Is simple math too hard for you grasp? Let me break it down for you. In the last election they voted 33% conservative which was up from 24% 6 years ago. That's an increase of 1.5% per year. IF (Yeah, big if based on their voting history) that rate continues, that 33% jumps to 48% in 10 years and they're almost even. Despite that trend I'm guessing the rate doesn't continue at that speed given the historical voting records of American Jews, but it's not a good trend for liberals either way. Liberals divided party on Israel can't help matters there.

Wow dude. So a few things:

Most jews didn't settle in New England. New York is where they went. They also showed up when Republicans were a strong force there in both the city and state.

Jews were a large part of moving the democratic party in more of a social democratic direction and early on Israel was quite left/socialist and secular matching the values of Ashkenazi jews (which most US citizens are). Jewish people were also strong influences in the Civil Rights movement and vote against the Republican Party in a pattern similar to black people (moving away from Republicans strongly when they replaced the southern strategy)

Being Jewish is cultural as well as religious. Even most religious jews in the US are Reform Jewish which among other things sees abortion access as religiously mandated to be available in society and supports gay marriage.

Most Jewish people I know find the Evangelical focus on Israel creepy and odd. The right wing populist/anti Semitic alex jones move of the Republican Party has grossed them out.

 

[TorontoGold]

Why do Jewish people vote Dem? Did you bother you read anything I just wrote? Do all people vote for a party strictly as single issue voters, or do they typically have more than one reason for aligning either left or right? People vote certain ways for a variety of reasons. For instance, regular church going Catholics tend to vote conservative and are pro-Life, but other Catholics that identify with the socials lessons of the Bible like helping the needy are pro-Choice. It doesn't mean they don't switch or overlap, and unless they're a single issue voter their stance on abortion isn't the deciding factor in choosing a party. To expand on the question though: there are a lot of articles and books out there on why Jews vote the way they do, and some on why they should switch. I know it's the Guardian and they're skewed left but here's a bit of what they had to say:

Why Jewish Americans vote Democratic | Harry J Enten

Harry J Enten: A striking aspect of the new Pew survey on Jewish Americans is how liberal Jews are. Is it good for the Democrats? You bet

www.theguardian.com

That's just a bit. No where in that article did "antisemitism" come into play with their voting. If such a link determined voting I'm pretty sure the Guardian would jump on it. There are other reasons Jews vote liberal historically in this country from other articles I read, one of which goes back to the early Jewish immigrants being first welcomed in New England where they settled, which was predominantly liberal already.

The point is people vote for different parties for a variety of reasons. You can try to force a square peg into a round hole, but your bogus voting logic doesn't hold water. I've already poked holes in it, but you refuse to accept it. There is no correlation between Jewish voting based on antisemitism in either party, show me some evidence to back this up because you're strictly stating a hilariously flawed opinion. I'm not sure how else I can get you to understand that.

I'm well aware of the Jewish voting record. Did you even look at the numbers? In 6 years Jews have moved almost 10% towards the right in voting. I said "If that rate continues it'll be close to even in 10 years." Is simple math too hard for you grasp? Let me break it down for you. In the last election they voted 33% conservative which was up from 24% 6 years ago. That's an increase of 1.5% per year. IF (Yeah, big if based on their voting history) that rate continues, that 33% jumps to 48% in 10 years and they're almost even. Despite that trend I'm guessing the rate doesn't continue at that speed given the historical voting records of American Jews, but it's not a good trend for liberals either way. The Democrats being a divided party on Israel can't help matters there.

What this? Lol how they vote means nothing. IF THE PARTY WAS HARBOURING ANTISEMITES WHY WOULD THEY VOTE FOR THEM. Holy hell.

How Jewish people vote means absolutely nothing when it comes to the makeup of antisemitism in a party

Antisemitism is an instant disqualifier though, it's not even remotely close to a catholic abortion thing. You legally can't be an antisemite, you can be pro-choice or pro-life. So, no, there is no "equivalency" there.

lol @ bogus voting logic. You posted a hilarious opinion on religions chart that is supposed to trump the opinion of ACTUAL JEWISH people. Like imagine that, a group of people say "hey you guys have some troubling messages" and then saying to them "no no no you're wrong, we like judaism". Conservatives love authoritarian leaders, if Israel had a leader who was closer to the center opinions would be a lot different.

You're right, that is simple math but we're going to graduate from grade 1 math here and move on to grade 2. Let's look at the historical data, do we really think that the growing dogwhistle messaging about "globalists" from the Right is going to be a winning strategy for Jewish voters? You know, the party that represents "free markets" but somehow now wants to fight against "globalists" hmmmmmmm interesting. But yeah some tankie nutjobs who would rather be caught dead than show up to a Democrat rally are bringing in a new wave of antisemitism OK.

Do you understand that there are people who are ethnically jewish? This is a fundamental point that you need to understand.

 

[ulukinatme]

Wow dude. So a few things:

Most jews didn't settle in New England. New York is where they went. They also showed up when Republicans were a strong force there in both the city and state.

Jews were a large part of moving the democratic party in more of a social democratic direction and early on Israel was quite left/socialist and secular matching the values of Ashkenazi jews (which most US citizens are). Jewish people were also strong influences in the Civil Rights movement and vote against the Republican Party in a pattern similar to black people (moving away from Republicans strongly when they replaced the southern strategy)

Being Jewish is cultural as well as religious. Even most religious jews in the US are Reform Jewish which among other things sees abortion access as religiously mandated to be available in society and supports gay marriage.

Most Jewish people I know find the Evangelical focus on Israel creepy and odd. The right wing populist/anti Semitic alex jones move of the Republican Party has grossed them out.

Sorry, I misspoke. I should have just said New York which is not part of New England and borders it, but that doesn't change the fact New York and the city in particular are very liberal. It was a throw away stat, so it's not worth discussing any further. It was just something I came across when digging into this.

As far as the rest, we're getting into the weeds here. This entire discussion started because Toronto said "The antisemites call themselves Republicans, and the Jewish people overwhelmingly vote for Dems." There's no correlation between the first and the second, and I've shown that conservatives favor both Jews and Israel statistically more than liberals do.

As far as the last paragraph, that's anecdotal evidence and I'm told it doesn't fly in this forum.

 

[ulukinatme]

What this? Lol how they vote means nothing. IF THE PARTY WAS HARBOURING ANTISEMITES WHY WOULD THEY VOTE FOR THEM. Holy hell.


Antisemitism is an instant disqualifier though, it's not even remotely close to a catholic abortion thing. You legally can't be an antisemite, you can be pro-choice or pro-life. So, no, there is no "equivalency" there.

lol @ bogus voting logic. You posted a hilarious opinion on religions chart that is supposed to trump the opinion of ACTUAL JEWISH people. Like imagine that, a group of people say "hey you guys have some troubling messages" and then saying to them "no no no you're wrong, we like judaism". Conservatives love authoritarian leaders, if Israel had a leader who was closer to the center opinions would be a lot different.

You're right, that is simple math but we're going to graduate from grade 1 math here and move on to grade 2. Let's look at the historical data, do we really think that the growing dogwhistle messaging about "globalists" from the Right is going to be a winning strategy for Jewish voters? You know, the party that represents "free markets" but somehow now wants to fight against "globalists" hmmmmmmm interesting. But yeah some tankie nutjobs who would rather be caught dead than show up to a Democrat rally are bringing in a new wave of antisemitism OK.

Do you understand that there are people who are ethnically jewish? This is a fundamental point that you need to understand.

BOTH PARTIES HARBOUR ANTISEMITES, BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP ORTHODOX AND NON-ORTHODOX JEWS FROM VOTING FOR THEM. Holy hell.

You've missed the point once again. Jews may have the opinion that one party is more antisemitic, but does that mean it's fact? Or...does it mean they have an opinion? If I have the opinion that drinking Bud Light means you're part of the LGBT community (I don't), does it make it true? I've seen no data that reinforces the opinion, if anything it refutes it.

I perfectly understand there are religious jews and cultural jews, and a lot of other flavors. It's no different from Christianity. I also understand it's Friday night and I've got a fire pit at the neighbor's house that's waiting for me. Enjoy.

 

[TorontoGold]

BOTH PARTIES HARBOUR ANTISEMITES, BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP ORTHODOX AND NON-ORTHODOX JEWS FROM VOTING FOR THEM. Holy hell.

You've missed the point once again. Jews may have the opinion that one party is more antisemitic, but does that mean it's fact? Or...does it mean they have an opinion? If I have the opinion that drinking Bud Light means you're part of the LGBT community (I don't), does it make it true? I've seen no data that reinforces that opinion, if anything it refutes it.

I perfectly understand there are religious jews and cultural jews, and a lot of other flavors. It's no different from Christianity. I also understand it's Friday night and I've got a fire pit at the neighbor's house that's waiting for me. Enjoy.

Absent a definitive measuring metric, I would say the jewish people have the best grasp on what's antisemitic or not. Maybe you should consult them?

Ah, there it is - no different. Yeah, I would maybe dig into reading up on the differences before touting how antisemitic the other side is when you think it's no different than Christianity lol. It's a non-serious discussion at this point.

 

[Bluto]

Denying their isn’t a prominent anti-Semitic movement in the left and trying to pivot to a small group of proud boys is like our press secretary’s shift to defending anti- Muslim rhetoric when asked about the hate for Jews. I’m not seeing the right wing movement against the Jews.

Its DEI types, universities, elected Democrats, and left wing cause orgs.

Lol. The whole Charlottesville rally a few years back was a right wing rally with people chanting “Jews will not replace us”.

The primary reason the state of Israel exists is due to right wing European anti semitism.

Anyhow, carry on…

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Lol. The whole Charlottesville rally a few years back was a right wing rally with people chanting “Jews will not replace us”.

The primary reason the state of Israel exists is due to right wing European anti semitism.

Anyhow, carry on…

If you're equating the Nazi party, as disgusting as it was, to any kind of right wing movement, you're off base. Nazi = national socialist party which contradicts the right wing of the political spectrum.