Racism

[SeekNDestroy]

I'm always a bit perplexed by the people who lecture us about how the Native Americans had their land stolen from them or how US Blacks should receive reparations, but don't voluntarily do what they say all the rest of us should do. It's like the folks who say we should pay higher taxes or provide more of this or that to some people. OK, nobody's stopping you from voluntarily paying the higher taxes you think are just, and nobody's stopping you from donating or whatever to the cause you think is deserving. Yet they don't.

If someone steals a guitar and sells it to me, when the thief is identified and it's learned who he sold the guitar to, I have to give it back. Just because I didn't steal it doesn't mean that I get to keep it. If you believe the Native Americans were robbed and this is their land, give your home and land back to them. Now. Don't lecture anyone about how we all should be forced to return the land to the Natives until you do so. There's absolutely no law prohibiting you from just saying, "I'm living in a house built on land that was stolen from tribe "XYZ" a century or two ago. I can't keep stolen property, so I'm giving it back to them." If you can't do that, then stop the self-righteous, hypocritical lecturing the rest of us.

If you believe the descendants of former slaves in the US deserve reparations, that's fine. Nobody and no law is stopping you from giving a significant portion of your wealth to Black families. Sell part of your land or investments. Sell your house and move to a smaller, less expensive one. Cash in 10% or 20% of your wealth and do your part. Give your house to a poor black family.

I wouldn't lecture anyone about how I think everyone should be forced to donate $100 per week to a food bank or children's hospital, or forced to give up all petroleum powered vehicles unless I was doing so myself. If I thought it was important enough for the government to force it upon everyone, I'd already be doing it while I was attempting to get (or force) others to do so.

If you believe this land was stolen from the Native Americans and should be returned or that Blacks deserve reparations, don't let the lack of laws compelling everyone to do those things stop you. Set the example. Show us your sincerity. Be the change you want to see.

How many times are you guys gonna post this? These points have been mentioned ad nauseum.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Until those lecturing us on reparations and giving back the land stop giving us a reason to need to post it.

This is like when one of my daughters was about 14 or 15 and asked me in frustration, "Why do you keep getting on to me for the same thing over and over?" LOL

 

[GoIrish41]

You are looking externally and not looking at the culture itself. How do we fix the single motherhood rate in the black community? How do we fix the murder rate in these communities? Gang issues. There is a reason teachers don't want to teach at these schools. 5 black officers were just arrested for killing a black man. What was their motive? I think that killing was more vicious than a white officer putting his knee in someone's back but that officer was white so the guy became a national hero.

Voter suppression? Please explain.

This is how we fix the single motherhood rate, murder rate, etc. by providing more opportunities in black communities, by not incarcerating black men at a 3-1 clip over whites, by fixing the schools in the communities, by addressing the issues created by red lining, etc.

You want to focus on the results of bad policy but not on examining the source of the problems. I have no idea what motivated those officers from beating a black guy to death, and it’s every bit as disgusting as a cop putting his knee on a guy’s neck for 9 minutes as he begs for his life. There are few consequences historically for police officers, particularly when their victims are minorities. Every time a black person is killed or mistreated by the police (provided only of it is caught on camera), apologists come out of the woodwork to defend the cops and demonize the victims.

When a black guy kneeled for the national anthem during a football game, you might have thought that they assassinated a Senator or governor, given the right’s reaction (particularly on this board). Any mention of Black Lives Matter is always followed by a redneck chorus of “all lives matter,” or “blue lives matter.” And you wonder how people see a double standard?

C’mon man. Open your eyes. All of this is a continuum of contempt that has existed longer than this country. From slavery, to share cropping, to Jim Crow, to police murdering black people without repercussion. And in real time, it’s always excused as the victim’s fault until it’s forgotten and when it happens again we get the same bullshit excuses. If you always look the other way you’ll never see it, but it’s all out in the open.

 

[GoIrish41]

My mistake. I thought you were engaged with Bishop and reparations were mentioned.

You mind answering the questions? I invited everyone to answer.

I did answer the questions.

 

[GoIrish41]

Until those lecturing us on reparations and giving back the land stop giving us a reason to need to post it.

This is like when one of my daughters was about 14 or 15 and asked me in frustration, "Why do you keep getting on to me for the same thing over and over?" LOL

Nobody mentioned reparations.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Thanks for your feedback and realize that some books have been publicly banned as well as some of the curriculum amended related to those topics. If you could please remind me which school in Alabama had the ban you mentioned, I would like to check it out……can’t say I saw that post.

Students walk out after told to limit Black History program

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. (AP) — More than 200 students walked out of class at an Alabama high school after they say they were told by school leaders to omit certain relevant events from an upcoming student-led Black History Month program.

apnews.com

 

[GoIrish41]

Thanks for your feedback and realize that some books have been publicly banned as well as some of the curriculum amended related to those topics. If you could please remind me which school in Alabama had the ban you mentioned, I would like to check it out……can’t say I saw that post.

Here’s a list of books banned, under review in Central Florida schools

The 2022-23 school year is coming to a close, but students and teachers are still seeing people pushing to pull certain books from the shelves within districts across the nation.

www.clickorlando.com

 

[TorontoGold]

Ok so I guess you weren't hinting at them then? Or were you? Yes or no

@Sea Turtle Still waiting on this one buddy. Which communities were you talking about.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Nobody mentioned reparations.

OK, then address the other issue, please: returning land you consider stolen to its rightful owners. And for the record, do you think Black Americans should be given reparations?

 

[GoIrish41]

OK, then address the other issue, please: returning land you consider stolen to its rightful owners. And for the record, do you think Black Americans should be given reparations?

I didn’t suggest transfer of land either. And I already answered the question about reparations, too. Maybe it would be helpful if you read the posts before asking the same questions that were asked and answered.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Well, mostly when you go back and search for any such clear answer, all you get is "I already answered that" and a lot of dodging and twisting. Pinning a few of you down for a direct answer to what was actually asked is like trying to wrestle a greased spider monkey.

It's simple enough to just say, "I'm for this" or "I'm against this."

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Students walk out after told to limit Black History program

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. (AP) — More than 200 students walked out of class at an Alabama high school after they say they were told by school leaders to omit certain relevant events from an upcoming student-led Black History Month program.

apnews.com

Thanks sir! This was Jay Bramblett’s HS, BTW. I did see this on the local news when the walkout occurred. The administration says the that the students were not banned from the issues mentioned so who knows what really occurred here. Could be a miscommunication, misunderstanding or maybe limits were imposed……more than likely we’ll never know the full story.

 

[GoIrish41]

OK. Here’s my answer. Very specific. There are 5 million citizens in Alabama. Of those 3.5 million are white … just under the total number of African slaves identified in the 1860 census. How about we allow all the black folks to enslave all the whites in Alabama for the next 400 years and call it even. Seems fair to me.

 

[jprue24]

I have tons of family in Florida. They banned Critical Race Theory, they still learn history. My niece was telling me she had just got done writing a paper specifically on Jim Crow laws that was specifically assigned to her.

Critical Race Theory is taught in law school.

 

[GoIrish41]

Critical Race Theory is taught in law school.

… and junior high 😂

 

[Bishop2b5]

OK. Here’s my answer. Very specific. There are 5 million citizens in Alabama. Of those 3.5 million are white … just under the total number of African slaves identified in the 1860 census. How about we allow all the black folks enslave all the whites in Alabama for the next 400 years and call it even. Seems fair to me.

And some of you wonder why I make fun of you guys for being unable to give a serious, honest, direct answer to a serious question.

So, let's assume, for the sake of argument, that your answer here is serious. Do you think those 3.5 million white Alabama residents are guilty of wrongdoings done centuries ago and are the ones who should pay? What about the ones whose ancestors didn't live in Alabama during slavery? What about the ones whose ancestors didn't own any slaves? What about the ones whose ancestors hadn't even come to the US before slavery ended?

 

[Sea Turtle]

@Sea Turtle Still waiting on this one buddy. Which communities were you talking about.

Hobbits, Dwarves, Elves and Orcs.

Very different value structures.

 

[jprue24]

I didn't watch that part of the Super Bowl, what was going on before Stapleton saying the anthem?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

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I didn't watch that part of the Super Bowl, what was going on before Stapleton saying the anthem?

It’s a dog whistle.

 

[jprue24]

It’s a dog whistle.

So, she means....black culture?


Do you think she knows that Stapleton is a BLM supporter?

 

[GoIrish41]

And some of you wonder why I make fun of you guys for being unable to give a serious, honest, direct answer to a serious question.

So, let's assume, for the sake of argument, that your answer here is serious. Do you think those 3.5 million white Alabama residents are guilty of wrongdoings done centuries ago and are the ones who should pay? What about the ones whose ancestors didn't live in Alabama during slavery? What about the ones whose ancestors didn't own any slaves? What about the ones whose ancestors hadn't even come to the US before slavery ended?

I’m completely serious. I think you should be first in shackles. I care less about white people in Alabama than you do about blacks. So my solution has the same contempt for them you show to blacks every time you chime into a conversation.

Do you think that we should just shrug our shoulders at 400 years of slavery and oppression or actually work to do something about the misery that it has caused for the past 20 generations? Because it really seems like you just want to shrug it off.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

So, she means....black culture?


Do you think she knows that Stapleton is a BLM supporter?

He did a nice job on it……would have preferred Yngwie Malmsteen on guitar but I’ll take it.

 

[TorontoGold]

Hobbits, Dwarves, Elves and Orcs.

Very different value structures.

Why do you keep back tracking on it? Just answer it seriously.

 

[jprue24]

He did a nice job on it……would have preferred Yngwie Malmsteen on guitar but I’ll take it.

I saw a replay, it was great.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

So, she means....black culture?


Do you think she knows that Stapleton is a BLM supporter?

Facts don’t mean much to her.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Why do you keep back tracking on it? Just answer it seriously.

Because it's self evident. I'm sorry that you need it spelled out. You're not a child.

And I'll say it again, you said it, not me.

 

[TorontoGold]

Because it's self evident. I'm sorry that you need it spelled out. You're not a child.

And I'll say it again, you said it, not me.

So was I correct in what I assumed you meant? The black community?

Don't want to misrepresent anyone's words

What importance does it mean that I actually said what you were too scared to say? I just wanted to clarify that you were saying the black community is too focused on luxury goods vs the other community (assuming white) was focused on more essential things.

Am I correct or do I have it wrong? If I have it wrong, I would be curious to hear your opinion on which community is too focused on purchasing luxury goods.

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[Irish#1]

I did answer the questions.

You answered in a generalization. I’d like to know the specifics. Not just from you but everyone.

 

[GoIrish41]

You answered in a generalization. I’d like to know the specifics. Not just from you but everyone.

I mean, there are too many things that could/should be done that I’d get cramps from typing them all. The general idea is erasing all of the structural barriers that are represented in actual data and trying to find rationale more nuanced than they are a lesser form of citizen who are culturally incapable of succeeding. Or, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. It’s a gross oversimplification of the issue. There are structural reasons why African Americans have not been able to accumulate generational wealth, governmental and otherwise. Same goes for access to quality education, employment, medical care, etc., etc. Remove those barriers. Get rid of policies that are bound up in racist ideology and dehumanizing solutions, like the electoral college so that blacks who have been historically red-lines into communities with the least investment don’t have their votes marginalized by gerrymandering. There’s plenty to be done if we’re being honest. Reparations are about admitting our forefathers were kinda racist and made some policies that has deflated communities and skewed statistics where un-nuanced thinkers stop. assign blame and do nothing. just like our crummy ancestors did. We should start by refreshing our understanding of our founding principles. I’m not for cutting anyone a check, I’m for real lasting change to out this shitty topic behind us once and for all.

 

[Sea Turtle]

So was I correct in what I assumed you meant? The black community?

Don't want to misrepresent anyone's words

What importance does it mean that I actually said what you were too scared to say? I just wanted to clarify that you were saying the black community is too focused on luxury goods vs the other community (assuming white) was focused on more essential things.

Am I correct or do I have it wrong? If I have it wrong, I would be curious to hear your opinion on which community is too focused on purchasing luxury goods.

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Of course you assumed correctly. It's obvious. You said it yourself.

Fatherless homes, crime, hip hop/thug life culture that champions looking cool over getting your life together and actually building a life has eviscerated the black urban communities.