QB situation

[Irishize]

This kid made every throw you want your QB to be able to make. The TD passes down the field were a thing of beauty but the 3rd & long conversion where he scrambled before flipping his hips & throwing against his body was the most impressive.

 

[Luckylucci]

It’s always nice to see a player grow and progress which is exactly what Book has done. He’s staying in the pocket, he’s throwing receivers open, he’s throwing over the middle, he’s hitting timing routes, etc. This is what we thought we’d get all year. Kudos to him for stepping up for 2 games now. With that said, it doesn’t negate earlier performances. Should’ve come sooner. But glad we got it eventually.

 

[Luckylucci]

The best part about his throws today is this nonsense of “nobody is open” throw the damn kid open. Which is exactly what he did with Lenzy and Claypool. When those balls are let go, there isn’t much separation. It happens at the end of the route when the receiver can locate the ball. Common sense. Throw the damn ball. Kudos Book

 

[irishff1014]

I think the most impressive part of Book today was the way head lead the receivers. The timing was perfect and the air time was on point.

 

[ThePiombino]

It’s always nice to see a player grow and progress which is exactly what Book has done. He’s staying in the pocket, he’s throwing receivers open, he’s throwing over the middle, he’s hitting timing routes, etc. This is what we thought we’d get all year. Kudos to him for stepping up for 2 games now. With that said, it doesn’t negate earlier performances. Should’ve come sooner. But glad we got it eventually.

The best part about his throws today is this nonsense of “nobody is open” throw the damn kid open. Which is exactly what he did with Lenzy and Claypool. When those balls are let go, there isn’t much separation. It happens at the end of the route when the receiver can locate the ball. Common sense. Throw the damn ball. Kudos Book

100% this, well said

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[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Book is average and plays better against below average defenses. Don't understand all the hoopla. Happy for the team but nothing has changed.

 

[IrishLax]

Book is average and plays better against below average defenses. Don't understand all the hoopla. Happy for the team but nothing has changed.

Made the "hoopla" is that people with eyeballs saw him make some EXCELLENT throws. This isn't push passes going for big games against Bowling Green, this was a highly rated defense by advanced stats that he torched because for the first time in a long time he consistently made elite throws to his playmakers.

 

[T-Boone]

Book is average and plays better against below average defenses. Don't understand all the hoopla. Happy for the team but nothing has changed.

He was good against Georgia. I am just putting Michigan down to the wet weather.

My concern now is he might go to the League after this season.

 

[BabyIrish]

Book is average and plays better against below average defenses. Don't understand all the hoopla. Happy for the team but nothing has changed.

He’s been average most of the season. But the last two weeks he has pushed it to a new level. No denying that.

 

[BobbyMac]

Good to see him play well. He stayed in the pocket because Navy didn't have the athletes to make him start dancing and he was able to pull the trigger on long passes because he:

A.) wasn't dancing and

B.) ND's WR were able to run by Navy's 4.8/40 CB's at will. And that's when they didn't have a Mike trying to defend a future NFL WR.

He's weathered the storm, he's playing much better and ND will probably go 11-2 this year which is very very good. But his ceiling is still his ceiling.

But who really cares. BK brings in Phil, orders up a triple scoop of VANILLA & lets him throw twice. BK is the Dean Smith of CFB. Is the only college Football coach who runs the Four Corners.

 

[stlnd01]

He was good against Georgia. I am just putting Michigan down to the wet weather.

My concern now is he might go to the League after this season.

If he goes, he goes. When it's time, Phil will be fine. My bigger worry had been Book staying out of sheer mediocrity and we have a stupid QB controversy next year of the sort that helped torpedo 2016.
The last couple of games have given me confidence that if Book stays (as seems likely) we'll have a pretty good QB next year.

 

[ThePiombino]

If he goes, he goes. When it's time, Phil will be fine. My bigger worry had been Book staying out of sheer mediocrity and we have a stupid QB controversy next year of the sort that helped torpedo 2016.

The last couple of games have given me confidence that if Book stays (as seems likely) we'll have a pretty good QB next year.

Yup, all of this.

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[NorthDakota]

He’s been average most of the season. But the last two weeks he has pushed it to a new level. No denying that.

Hes played Duke and Navy....Notre Dame should dominate these teams with me at qb

 

[Bluto]

So, Jurkovec to Oklahoma? Bama needs a QB too...

 

[BobbyMac]

So, Jurkovec to Oklahoma? Bama needs a QB too...

OU's done with free agency.

Bama and Phil? Man, I'd pay to see that in an alternate universe. But don't wanna see it here, thanks.

Either he's gonna make it here or GT to Pitt or PSU. Both could use him in '21 & '22. Of course that's if BK and his QB deflators don't do dey thang.

 

[Riddickulous]

So, Jurkovec to Oklahoma? Bama needs a QB too...

Not with Spencer Rattler there.

 

[ickythump1225]

It's nice that Book has elevated his level of play but we're still never winning a NC with him at the helm. I mean it's nice he's torched Duke and Navy but I still wouldn't trust him in a playoff game against Clemson, Alabama, LSU, etc.

 

[ThePiombino]

It's nice that Book has elevated his level of play but we're still never winning a NC with him at the helm. I mean it's nice he's torched Duke and Navy but I still wouldn't trust him in a playoff game against Clemson, Alabama, LSU, etc.

I'm starting to pull back some of my 50/50 Book/Long blame and shifting hard into 10/90 Book/Long blame. It's clear Book has a physical ceiling, but we've seen him do some things these past two weeks (remember the across-the-body sideline throw to Keys?) that we didn't think he was capable of. I'd consider reassessing what Book is capable of. I do think there are limits and I would love to know why this offense refuses to let PJ throw in garbage time, but I think maybe Book is better than we've been allowed to see up until Duke...

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[tankjeep]

I am eating so much crow right now.

you and me both. glad to see him build confidence and playing well though.

 

[tankjeep]

It’s always nice to see a player grow and progress which is exactly what Book has done. He’s staying in the pocket, he’s throwing receivers open, he’s throwing over the middle, he’s hitting timing routes, etc. This is what we thought we’d get all year. Kudos to him for stepping up for 2 games now. With that said, it doesn’t negate earlier performances. Should’ve come sooner. But glad we got it eventually.

my biggest complaint was his pocket presence. this game showed when he's able to read defenses, he can utilize his arm.

before the game I changed my paradigm and promised to remain positive no matter what he did (expecting some level of negative play). like you I was glad to see that he stepped up big time.

 

[tankjeep]

Made the "hoopla" is that people with eyeballs saw him make some EXCELLENT throws. This isn't push passes going for big games against Bowling Green, this was a highly rated defense by advanced stats that he torched because for the first time in a long time he consistently made elite throws to his playmakers.

^this

I know you and I have had our differences but couldn't agree more.

 

[stlnd01]

my biggest complaint was his pocket presence. this game showed when he's able to read defenses, he can utilize his arm.

Yep. The first few possessions when it was still close Navy was bringing substantial pressure. Book stayed in the pocket and made his throws in ways he just wasn't earlier this season. The guy's never going to have a world-beating arm, but if he can do that and play his game he can be just fine.

 

[irishtrain]

Book has never been the problem don't think there is a QB situation-I heard people say he cant throw over the middle and that hurts the running game-nonsense if he had a better running game his results would be like the Navy game-they need a better running game next year to be a playoff team. I've been to the last 3 spring games his arm is more than adequate. I know that's not game conditions but a went to see his arm and his throws are tight and accurate. His throws are easy to catch. I don't know who gets more ^@# Kelly or Book-both are very good at their jobs.

 

[BabyIrish]

Book has never been the problem don't think there is a QB situation-I heard people say he cant throw over the middle and that hurts the running game-nonsense if he had a better running game his results would be like the Navy game-they need a better running game next year to be a playoff team. I've been to the last 3 spring games his arm is more than adequate. I know that's not game conditions but a went to see his arm and his throws are tight and accurate. His throws are easy to catch. I don't know who gets more ^@# Kelly or Book-both are very good at their jobs.

People never questioned his physical tools, at least I didn’t. But for whatever reason he was not playing well and missing reads and wide open receivers constantly. That’s a major problem. The last two weeks that hasn’t been the case and he’s looked the part. Let’s hope it stays on the current trajectory

 

[NDRock]

Book has never been the problem don't think there is a QB situation-I heard people say he cant throw over the middle and that hurts the running game-nonsense if he had a better running game his results would be like the Navy game-they need a better running game next year to be a playoff team. I've been to the last 3 spring games his arm is more than adequate. I know that's not game conditions but a went to see his arm and his throws are tight and accurate. His throws are easy to catch. I don't know who gets more ^@# Kelly or Book-both are very good at their jobs.

Sorry but his leaving the pocket early, throwing off his back foot, and general lack of pocket presence were all big reasons for his struggles. You can’t put that on play calling or not having a better run game.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Man I just hope this doesnt turn into another year of Book. The guy is at his ceiling and ND is at its ceiling with Book at QB. Im not saying ND 2020 wont take a step back with PJ but the ceiling is much higher for 2021 with Book rather than PJ.

ND 2020 with Book is about the same as 2019, maybe a little worse. Lose to the above average to good teams and beat the average to below average teams.

 

[ND88]

Man I just hope this doesnt turn into another year of Book. The guy is at his ceiling and ND is at its ceiling with Book at QB. Im not saying ND 2020 wont take a step back with PJ but the ceiling is much higher for 2021 with Book rather than PJ.

ND 2020 with Book is about the same as 2019, maybe a little worse. Lose to the above average to good teams and beat the average to below average teams.

Did Book’s play on Saturday reveal that his ceiling is higher than we initially gave him credit for or is it more like a Navy’s not very good performance?

 

[stlnd01]

Can't both be true?

Book does have a ceiling. He has never been particularly much of a deep ball guy and seems to struggle to hit smaller receivers on the outside (Finke works mostly in the middle of the field). He just doesn't have a cannon for an arm. He's not Trevor Lawrence and never will be.

But his ceiling is clearly higher than the Michigan game, or much of what he showed the first half of the season. And if he cleans up his act in the pocket, as he has the last couple of games, he can be quite effective. He also can run, and he doesn't throw dumb picks. Couple that with a good defense and a more effective running game and, well, we went 12-0 last year...

I don't know. I want to see what PJ can do with full command of the offense. But if Book plays the rest of the season like he has the last couple of weeks I'm not going to argue against starting him next year.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm starting to pull back some of my 50/50 Book/Long blame and shifting hard into 10/90 Book/Long blame. It's clear Book has a physical ceiling, but we've seen him do some things these past two weeks (remember the across-the-body sideline throw to Keys?) that we didn't think he was capable of. I'd consider reassessing what Book is capable of. I do think there are limits and I would love to know why this offense refuses to let PJ throw in garbage time, but I think maybe Book is better than we've been allowed to see up until Duke...

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I'm not so sure it has been Long per se. While Long's play calling has been less than desirable, I think it's been more in between Book's ears. Remember how he wasn't going through his progressions and now he is. No pressure last year as he's coming in as a replacement for Wimbush. This year he's the man and the pressure gets ratched up considerably and he plays more not to lose the game. IMO I think he just got to the point where he gave everyone the middle finger and decided to play like he's capable of.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I don't know. I want to see what PJ can do with full command of the offense. But if Book plays the rest of the season like he has the last couple of weeks I'm not going to argue against starting him next year.

Book will always roll the average to below average teams. The Navy's, the BCs, BGs, and NCs will not present a challenge and ND will roll. Say what you want but ND could have every easily lost that USC game. GA isnt the worldbeater everyone thought they would be.

What you have this year is what you will have AT BEST next year with Book at the helm.