Presidential Election 2024

NorthDakota

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I think we found the brains behind Selzer


From what I read Selzer has a stellar track record but uses a really simple method to collect data. I don't judge, that stuff is way over my head.

I'm curious to see what happens with polling as boomers die off. My grandma and parents answer every phone call regardless of area code. No one my age answers any phone calls.
 

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Bob Woodward is the most respected journalist of all time?
I mean Trump respected him enough to sit down with him for like twenty some recorded interviews during his first term.

He’s won just about any major journalist award that exists.

You’re more then free to not respect him or believe his reporting, but in the history of journalism as a “profession” he’s certainly a name that resonates.
 

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The average American doesn’t care about wars that don’t involve us, gas was $2 a gallon because of COVID shutdowns, and inflation happened because of COVID as well. Inflation was world wide and the US handled it better than anyone else. If Trump had done a better job handling COVID “it’s going to magically disappear” then inflation wouldn’t have been as bad. It was all about businesses raising prices to make up for their previous losses.
1) They sure as hell do when we're sending billions to Ukraine

2) Nowhere in your post did you mention the insane spending which led to inflation

3) You also left out the energy sector and those disastrous policies of the past 3 years.

Keep trying.
 

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I have no idea at all what those twitter posts have to do with what I’m talking about.
The original post I was responding to was a poster saying Trump was a return to “normalcy”
I pointed out that within the last week one of the most respected journalists of our lifetimes stated he believed Trump was compromised by Putin and they possibly had blackmail on him.
Also, Epstein called Trump one of his closet friends on a recording from 2017.

I’m honestly not trying to be a dick or start a huge fight.
I just can’t understand how anyone can believe Trump is the idea of “normal” when they hear stories like that.
Of course, you can believe they’re all bullshit and that is your decision, but man it would be a whole bunch of bullshit over the past decade.
I’m pointing out that it’s all bullshit and the people see through it. That’s why Trump is back. The media stories are nuts. If the last DOJ, that hunted him had anything on these, he would have been cuffed.
 

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No wars isn’t really accurate. The US still had troops actively involved in conflicts in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and I believe Africa under Trump. Drone strikes also increased dramatically during his administration.

I would also argue that the Abraham Accords and the continued US enabling of Netanyahu set the stage for the current conflict unfolding in the Middle East and was many years in the making.
US troops are always going to be somewhere, all the time. Those troops, the forces that support them, and drones are all in the US budget each year.

The billions we're sending to Ukraine and possibly soon to add Israel...different story.
 

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Within the last WEEK one of the most respected journalists of all times reported that Putin interacts with Trump as if he has blackmail on him, and the most famous pedophile of recent memory called Trump one of his closet friends on a tape recorded in 2017.

Of course, I can understand if people don’t want to believe those two stories, that is your decision…but please don’t try and say Trump is “normal”
His entire life existence for the better part of half of century now is anything but normal.
You're treating the man and his policies the same, and do not. I never said Trump the man was normal.

If you can separate his policies from his personality, you'll understand why he dominated Tuesday night.
 

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Ah, yes, we need to have discourse and respect each other's opinions.

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Yeah, it was all about the economy and Harris' laugh.

You guys agree with this?
 

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Two days in a row the sun came up!
The problem for DNC was the absence of a clear frontrunner in a primary. The uncertainty may have been the deciding factor in peddling Kamala. Her losing to Trump may be viewed by them as a better outcome than the rise of a candidate like Bernie Sanders, who would have focused their platform more on progressive economic polices than social issues.

IMO, the Democrats’ most effective ticket would be a candidate who champions progressive economic policies with moderate social stances. Americans who are working, married, raising families, or planning to, don't give a shit about left wing social policies, and a large faction are absolutely disgusted by them, they just don't feel comfortable expressing it openly.

It seems that most people simply want the chance to earn a fair wage, access affordable housing, and raise a family in a safe community. Whether progressive economic policies can deliver on these goals is open for debate, but that’s not my point - my point is that this stuff matters more than any of the social nonsense they ram down our throats. Lately, it seems like Bernie is the only person on the left, at least at a national level, who seems to grasp this. Even though I don't agree with his policies, I do see it as an effective way to appeal to a lot of the voters the DNC has lost.
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No wars isn’t really accurate. The US still had troops actively involved in conflicts in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and I believe Africa under Trump. Drone strikes also increased dramatically during his administration.

I would also argue that the Abraham Accords and the continued US enabling of Netanyahu set the stage for the current conflict unfolding in the Middle East and was many years in the making.
Using the drones strategically he was basically saying, "Here's a taste of what's to come if you keep up this terrorists crap".
 

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Matt Walsh was trolling you guys and you all are so paranoid you took the bait. It was a joke. He's having a glorious time laughing at your reactions ..... so am I. LMAO
Pretty obvious he was having fun.
 

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US troops are always going to be somewhere, all the time. Those troops, the forces that support them, and drones are all in the US budget each year.

The billions we're sending to Ukraine and possibly soon to add Israel...different story.
I see. It seems that your concern is that these things are too costly?

So, never ending war/conflict is acceptable as long as it’s properly budgeted for (in this case via deficit spending) with the agency that has a budget that can’t be audited?

What would have been different about the Russian invasion of Ukraine or Netenyahu’s escalation of the conflict in the Middle East if Trump was president? We send billions in military aid to Israel pretty much every year regardless.

Now, I would agree with a significant reduction in defense spending and reducing military aid to Israel. So if that’s the proposal I’m all for it.

If I were a cynical asshole I would argue that the aid is used to buy US manufactured weapon systems so technically, isn’t that a good thing for the US economy?
 
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Libs now mad about funding space?
Depends on the details. Why not revert to the 1960’s model where a bunch of well paid civil servants who were engineers and scientists at NASA and the like were the lead in developing the priorities in and around space exploration?
 

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Using the drones strategically he was basically saying, "Here's a taste of what's to come if you keep up this terrorists crap".
Every president since Bush has allowed the military to do that. Is that war? Seems like it to me. If so then it gets back to the inaccuracy of the statement I was challenging.
 

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I work for a dental supply manufacturer. If everyone else is going to act like a self serving cunt, I say get fluoride out of the water so business booms for us. Then I'll retire to Portugal.

I'm Shawshank Red at this point. Just don't give a shit.
 

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Depends on the details. Why not revert to the 1960’s model where a bunch of well paid civil servants who were engineers and scientists at NASA and the like were the lead in developing the priorities in and around space exploration?
We don't have free labor in the form of German scientists anymore
 
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