Post-Game Thoughts: 2017 Blue-Gold Game

[Luckylucci]

Really good article...

I surely hope BK sticks to his word and Long calls the plays. I know we didn't see what's to come until gameday. But as soon as the RPO is broken out, I really feel the offense would be hard to contain.

Especially when Wimbush is given the chance to truly use his legs/athleticism to influence the plays.

 

[woolybug25]

Really good article...

I surely hope BK sticks to his word and Long calls the plays. I know we didn't see what's to come until gameday. But as soon as the RPO is broken out, I really feel the offense would be hard to contain.

No bubble screens!

 

[Dizzyphil]

Especially when Wimbush is given the chance to truly use his legs/athleticism to influence the plays.

Wimbush at the ready...
Adams, Williams, Jones Jr., or Holmes in the back
Alize/Luatua/Smythe/Weishar doing a slant out, in, or 6 and turn
St. Brown, Finke, Sanders running posts, slants

Then that big azz line protecting all those guys.....

Sounds to me like a solid Offense....
Special teams needs to bump up from C- last year to at least, minimum B- this year

Defense will be tell-all.

Like the article says, the RPO has to be done and run in 2-3 seconds. These kids have the minds or they wouldn't be Irish. They can do this.

 

[Dizzyphil]

No bubble screens!

DAMMMMMMN RIGHT!!! LOL



sorry DITB.....

I don't like SPAM !!!!! Blah !!!!

 

[Downinthebend]

Especially when Wimbush is given the chance to truly use his legs/athleticism to influence the plays.

Exactly, triple option plays like MSU vs ND last year, and then just to a simple screen are definitely a part of the offense.

 

[Downinthebend]

I wrote an RPO article, its kinda long but includes lots of visuals.

I even put in a line for some of y'all:
"If you are not a fan of bubbles for some reason, you are (somewhat) in luck. Chip Long greatly prefers to run fast screens instead of bubbles, but I captured one cutup where Long ran a bubble screen at Memphis."

https://www.18stripes.com/film-room-decoding-the-rpos-and-the-option/

 

[woolybug25]

Death to the bubble screen!!!!

 

[Old Man Mike]

Watched the Spring Game for the third time. A few further thoughts, accurate or not:

1). Saw two more instances (in the 3rd quarter) where it appears that Wimbush misreads the give-or-keep both times. I just don't believe that he has an instinct for this --- maybe with more reps;
2).DAMM Martini looked good. I felt that he had fast-reacting instincts from the brief views we got of him last year, but in the Spring Game he was Wolf-to-the-Blood. ... and he covered the TEs well;
3). DHayes was really good pressuring ... but in nearly every successful instance the success was because either the RB didn't do his job (RB blocking worries me a bit), or Wimbush didn't step up into the pocket (thus asking too much of Kraemer or anybody not named ZMart on a speed outside rush);
4). Morgan looked fine --- (sighs a huge sigh of relief) --- many times he is the bomb missile who goes in first allowing Martini to follow on the successful stunt. I liked the scheme;
5). Probably functionally irrelevant but my goodness Book looks slick --- I know it was vs the second team but the first team OLine will give him time if it comes to that ... and, yes, it's Wimbush's team.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Join us today in the 18S film room as we decode RPO's and Chip Long's offense: <a href="https://t.co/jkmVcnKEa7">https://t.co/jkmVcnKEa7</a></p>— 18 Stripes (@18stripes) <a href="https://twitter.com/18stripes/status/862001822986317824">May 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
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18 stripes y'all need to fix your URL's to make the article titles appear in HTML

 

[Dizzyphil]

I wrote an RPO article, its kinda long but includes lots of visuals.

I even put in a line for some of y'all:
"If you are not a fan of bubbles for some reason, you are (somewhat) in luck. Chip Long greatly prefers to run fast screens instead of bubbles, but I captured one cutup where Long ran a bubble screen at Memphis."

https://www.18stripes.com/film-room-decoding-the-rpos-and-the-option/

Very nice. Reps.

The only thing about the slants Wimbush and the O-line will need to look for are the defensive hands in the air. Wimbush is tall but not towering. At 6'1" facing D-lines and his own 6'5"ish average Oline, those slants can get blocked down. The quick release is key.

Great article.

 

[Downinthebend]

Very nice. Reps.

The only thing about the slants Wimbush and the O-line will need to look for are the defensive hands in the air. Wimbush is tall but not towering. At 6'1" facing D-lines and his own 6'5"ish average Oline, those slants can get blocked down. The quick release is key.

Great article.

Thank you,

I'm not actually that worried about that, because the line will be run blocking, the defensive linemen can't exactly jump in the air without giving up the run fit, which would only help us when we actually hand off.

 

[Downinthebend]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Join us today in the 18S film room as we decode RPO's and Chip Long's offense: <a href="https://t.co/jkmVcnKEa7">https://t.co/jkmVcnKEa7</a></p>— 18 Stripes (@18stripes) <a href="https://twitter.com/18stripes/status/862001822986317824">May 9, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

18 stripes y'all need to fix your URL's to make the article titles appear in HTML

You can probably blame me for that, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean?

 

[dublinirish]

You can probably blame me for that, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean?

say i add your article link to my post

https://www.18stripes.com/film-room-decoding-the-rpos-and-the-option/

i just get the URL and not the title of the article

For example, when I embed an article from ESPN the article title is displayed, not the URL

Seattle Seahawks' Frank Clark takes aim at reporter Natalie Weiner

if people on message boards are linked articles and the title pops up, they are more likely to click on it i think

 

[Downinthebend]

Interesting thanks

 

[dublinirish]

Interesting thanks

no worries my man, love the site, avid reader. keep up the good work

 

[Downinthebend]

no worries my man, love the site, avid reader. keep up the good work

Glad you like it!

 

[Downinthebend]

Watched the Spring Game for the third time. A few further thoughts, accurate or not:

1). Saw two more instances (in the 3rd quarter) where it appears that Wimbush misreads the give-or-keep both times. I just don't believe that he has an instinct for this --- maybe with more reps;
2).DAMM Martini looked good. I felt that he had fast-reacting instincts from the brief views we got of him last year, but in the Spring Game he was Wolf-to-the-Blood. ... and he covered the TEs well;
3). DHayes was really good pressuring ... but in nearly every successful instance the success was because either the RB didn't do his job (RB blocking worries me a bit), or Wimbush didn't step up into the pocket (thus asking too much of Kraemer or anybody not named ZMart on a speed outside rush);
4). Morgan looked fine --- (sighs a huge sigh of relief) --- many times he is the bomb missile who goes in first allowing Martini to follow on the successful stunt. I liked the scheme;
5). Probably functionally irrelevant but my goodness Book looks slick --- I know it was vs the second team but the first team OLine will give him time if it comes to that ... and, yes, it's Wimbush's team.

If you watch it again, can you note the times of those misreads?

 

[Downinthebend]

Coming Wednesday at 8am...

at

18stripes.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QY73ldE39g

 

[Downinthebend]

How a 1988 Champion influenced Notre Dame to run a classic hard-nosed running play: The G-Scheme.

https://www.18stripes.com/film-room-a-blast-from-the-past-the-g-scheme/

 

[BeauBenken]

How a 1988 Champion influenced Notre Dame to run a classic hard-nosed running play: The G-Scheme.

https://www.18stripes.com/film-room-a-blast-from-the-past-the-g-scheme/

I'm making sure to make much more use of the "Down" or G-Scheme with my team this year. Solid write up. Some of the links don't work any longer unfortunately though.

 

[Downinthebend]

I'm making sure to make much more use of the "Down" or G-Scheme with my team this year. Solid write up. Some of the links don't work any longer unfortunately though.

Which links don't work? I made the article pretty recently, so I'd be surprised if too many failed.

Thanks for the compliment.

Down/G-Scheme seems like a neat little play, lets the guard really maul someone who is cheating outside.

 

[D-BOE34]

None of those seemed to work IMO. However, play 1, the LB went inside shoulder with inside help. That should have been shut down 3 yards shorter than it was at least.

Awesome article but maybe I missed something on how this is supposed to help us. Maybe we just are not good at it yet?

 

[BeauBenken]

Which links don't work? I made the article pretty recently, so I'd be surprised if too many failed.

Thanks for the compliment.

Down/G-Scheme seems like a neat little play, lets the guard really maul someone who is cheating outside.

The first link, "What is old is new again" links to a page that appears to have a picture, but the picture is no longer visible.

And the link titled, "turning the offense away from the sideline" goes to a "page not found" on inside the pylon.

None of those seemed to work IMO. However, play 1, the LB went inside shoulder with inside help. That should have been shut down 3 yards shorter than it was at least.

Awesome article but maybe I missed something on how this is supposed to help us. Maybe we just are not good at it yet?

It's a historically successful play that many teams, particularly option and wing teams, run. It pairs well with a toss or option play because you get similar frontside guard pulling action and a defenders natural flow outside opens up the desired hole between the tackle and end.

You say that that first play should've been shut down 3 yards earlier, but that would still be a 7 yard gain, a great run.

Watch Jerome Bettis and ND live off this play:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/NW_mmdH_CBA?ecver=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Note that most teams run this play with two backs. Chip manages to run it with one though by making the defense stay honest with backside screens as Downinthebend mentions in his article.

 

[Downinthebend]

None of those seemed to work IMO. However, play 1, the LB went inside shoulder with inside help. That should have been shut down 3 yards shorter than it was at least.

Awesome article but maybe I missed something on how this is supposed to help us. Maybe we just are not good at it yet?

This is an explosive higher-variance play to constrain the DE from overplaying the Naked Playaction. Its supposed to be a nice goalline play, and a play where a speedy RB tries to just run.

As far as broken links, I'm sorry about that, i'll try to fix them when I get a chance.

That ND down link is fantastic, wish I found that earlier, when I edit the article i'll put it in. I had a strong hunch Lou ran it.

 

[BeauBenken]

This is an explosive higher-variance play to constrain the DE from overplaying the Naked Playaction. Its supposed to be a nice goalline play, and a play where a speedy RB tries to just run.

As far as broken links, I'm sorry about that, i'll try to fix them when I get a chance.

That ND down link is fantastic, wish I found that earlier, when I edit the article i'll put it in. I had a strong hunch Lou ran it.

Yea, that youtube channel that I embedded that video from has 10 minute clips of classic wing/option plays. The Down, the Down Option, Trap, the Trap Option, etc. I have no idea who the guy is, but I cannot commend him enough for splicing those clips from the 90s together. They're great to just watch and review.

Jump to 1:04 for a famous play that came out of the Down Option.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/IZyWcuIElSE?ecver=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[Downinthebend]

This isn't a tome, but we're running pin and pull.
https://www.18stripes.com/film-room-pin-and-pull/

 

[Downinthebend]

A detailed look at nd's playaction plays, in pretty sure these are the plays that old man mike thought was a misread of a zone read concept.

Notre Dame Playaction: Naked and Long (sfw)
https://www.18stripes.com/film-room-notre-dame-playaction-naked-and-long/