Post Game Observations

[koonja]

Starting to show his limits? Were you around in the second half of 2011? His limits are well established at this point. But if you've got a better QB in your pocket, pull him out now.
I agree he overdid it a few times tonight with the adjustments. But he had a pretty solid game. Any game Tommy doesn't lose for us (i.e. last week) I consider a victory for him.

IDK how you can go 17/38 as a QB and not register a rushing yard and call it a 'pretty solid game'.

If you're a dual thread QB who goes 17/38 with 80 rushing yards, maybe you could argue you had a 'solid' game, but that's not the case tonight.

 

[stlnd01]

I think after that 3rd and 20 conversation Diaco finally realized to not out Ishaq in deep drop zone coverages but, to let him rush the QB. I thought Ishaq had his best game tonight, he pushed the pocket on nearly every play.

Yeah. On that play Mayock was talking about how Ishaq didn't do the job in coverage (20 yards downfield). I was thinking to myself we had no business putting Ishaq in coverage 20 yards downfield and only rushing three. He'll do us more good rushing the QB. Apparently Diaco agreed.
Our pass rush tonight was huge.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

It's frustrating because we should have won more easily and won by more. Once kickoff happens it doesn't matter what the other team is ranked or how many games they have won.

Okay...but how many people on this board were predicting 1-3 in the four games after Purdue? I know some people are eating crow, but not enough...

 

[stlnd01]

IDK how you can go 17/38 as a QB and not register a rushing yard and call it a 'pretty solid game'.

If you're a dual thread QB who goes 17/38 with 80 rushing yards, maybe you could argue you had a 'solid' game, but that's not the case tonight.

It was a solid game because he had just one interception and three touchdowns and mostly because we won. I don't know what more than that you expect out of Tommy Rees at this point. The guy's not going to morph in to Tom Brady.

 

[arrowryan]

I don't understand why it was frustrating.

South Carolina barely beat unranked Kentucky.
Oklahoma had a rough time with unranked TCU.
Oklahoma State just about lost to unranked Kansas State.
It took Georgia overtime to beat unranked Tennessee.
UCLA had big trouble with unranked Utah.

But unranked Notre Dame beating #22 Arizona State (the 6.5 point favorite) is frustrating?

It's frustrating that it seemed like at least 75% of this site predicted a loss. The team comes out and plays above average offensively, great defense, and beats a ranked team that has a very good offense. But they will always find something to moan about

 

[KPENN]

Not much to add except for as frustrated as people are they are 4-2 heading into the bye week with a very good shot at being 9-2 heading into Stanford.

 

[wizards8507]

Daniel Smith fractured ankle.

 

[wizards8507]

Grace staying in Texas for observation.

 

[Patulski]

We won despite our maddening penchant for looking undisciplined at times. Can't complain.

 

[CanadalovesND]

No one else bothered or upset about how we stopped playing with urgency the last 90 seconds? ASU practically walked down the field for a touchdown. If they recovered the onside kick, probably could have lost.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

It's frustrating that it seemed like at least 75% of this site predicted a loss. The team comes out and plays above average offensively, great defense, and beats a ranked team that has a very good offense. But they will always find something to moan about

THIS!!!!

 

[KPENN]

No one else bothered or upset about how we stopped playing with urgency the last 90 seconds? ASU practically walked down the field for a touchdown. If they recovered the onside kick, probably could have lost.

No.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

We won despite our maddening penchant for looking undisciplined at times. Can't complain.

I'll give you that. Some odd penalties.

 

[koonja]

It was a solid game because he had just one interception and three touchdowns and mostly because we won. I don't know what more than that you expect out of Tommy Rees at this point. The guy's not going to morph in to Tom Brady.

TDs and interceptions don't tell the whole story. Don't fall in love with stats/wins and losses. How many times did he cost us 5 yards because of confusing the OL or getting a delay of game? How many over throws or out of bounds throws where he didn't give the WR a chance, when they were wide open? How many under throws did he have? At least 2 to TJ/DD and the one to Chris Brown that would have been about a yard short.

And if you are in love with stats, again, 17/38 is pretty bad. He made some plays, but he made a lot of bad ones.

I said this earlier, but Tommy reminds me of the friend you go golfing with who's a bad golfer, but hits one good shot every couple holes, and the guy thinks 'he's finally getting the hang of it'. No, you're an awful golfer and you got lucky. Wait until your next shot.

Tommy wasn't awful, but he definably wasn't solid. He had a very average game.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

No one else bothered or upset about how we stopped playing with urgency the last 90 seconds? ASU practically walked down the field for a touchdown. If they recovered the onside kick, probably could have lost.

Just a bit. But not much. Especially because we got the onsides kick

 

[BobD]

Wrong thread!

Post game observation belongs to kmoose.

I'm boycotting this thread.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Not much to add except for as frustrated as people are they are 4-2 heading into the bye week with a very good shot at being 9-2 heading into Stanford.

Ya. A large percentage at the start of the year woulda taken a 4-2 start.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

TDs and interceptions don't tell the whole story. Don't fall in love with stats/wins and losses. How many times did he cost us 5 yards because of confusing the OL or getting a delay of game? How many over throws or out of bounds throws where he didn't give the WR a chance, when they were wide open? How many under throws did he have? At least 2 to TJ/DD and the one to Chris Brown that would have been about a yard short.

And if you are in love with stats, again, 17/38 is pretty bad. He made some plays, but he made a lot of bad ones.

I said this earlier, but Tommy reminds me of the friend you go golfing with who's really bad, but hits one good shot every couple holes, and the guy thinks 'he's finally getting the hang of it'. No, you're an awful golfer and you got lucky. Wait until your next shot.

Tommy wasn't awful, but he definably wasn't solid. He had a very average game.

I agree that he was average. That's what he is. And that's enough for this team to be an 8-9 win team.

I object to people thinking he's crappy. He's not that either.

 

[aubeirish]

We won!

 

[Irish Insanity]

Wrong thread!

Post game observation belongs to kmoose.

I'm boycotting this thread.

Its all one thread now

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Its all one thread now

Just realized that. I thought I was posting in the wrong place!

 

[koonja]

I didn;t mean to step on Kmoose's toes. I honestly didn't know one person made all of the post-games threads.

Have mercy.

 

[Patulski]

#3 Jones and Rees are on the same page and play to the whistle. Robby continues to learn but like Jones, he competes to the whistle. Daniels and Brown look to me like they're playing pickup basketball. "You're supposed to throw where I go. Not where I'm supposed to go!"

Brown and Daniels look to me like high octane race cars who are consistently under thrown by a weak armed QB. It is difficult to watch our speed being underutilized because we have a pop gun under center.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Just realized that. I thought I was posting in the wrong place!

I actually searched for the other for a minute before I realized it.

I didn;t mean to step on Kmoose's toes. I honestly didn't know one person made all of the post-games threads.

Have mercy.

Every week. It's like you are in cahoots with Kelly trying to get rid of another tradition

 

[Bogtrotter07]

1. As whiskey has observed before; at some point we are going to have to quit bitching about the limitations of this team long enough to praise them for never giving up, for fighting to make plays until the very end, and for being pretty resilient in the face of adversity. No matter the record, THIS is a team that is worthy of our respect, and exhibits some of the best qualities that the University of Notre Dame stands for.

having said that...........

2. The playcalling is, at times, baffling. But I'm sure that I don't always see the logic behind it. And that, if I did, I would probably understand it.

3. There is an obvious disconnect with the decision making processes of Davaris Daniels, related to Tommy Rees. There are too many instances of Daniels going one way, and Rees throwing another. Whatever the coaches need to do, they need to get it fixed.

4. The Defense played hard............. they came up with some HUGE stops when they needed to. Congrats to them.

5. NBC's broadcast was horrible. When Daniel Smith got injured, they went to commercial simply saying, "There's an injured Notre Dame player on the field". After the commercial, they informed us that it was Daniel Smith, but I never heard them update us on what the injury was, nor did they ever show us a replay of how he got hurt.

6. Tommy had a typical Tommy game. He looked very good on some drives, and like a rookie on others. I'm tired of debating Tommy, so I'm just going to leave it at that.

The bottom line is that I am looking forward to attending the USC game in two weeks.... and that's good enough for me!

Hear, hear!

The last offensive drive which resulted in what? For the last set of downs; they were loading the box. We ran on first down, one yard. We ran on second down, nothing. Then we threw on third, incomplete. We should have run on first, threw play action on second. We stopped the clock and saved them one time out. Then on the final defensive stand, we took the first string down linemen out. Just when the hounds were on the blood! Maybe they were all that tired. But I would have begged, and pleaded to get them to play. Or at least subbed more judiciously.

My opinion: The players played a lot better; the coaches coached a bit better; and Tommy doesn't suck. He just forgets his place occasionally. Today's didn't hurt as much.

 

[stlnd01]

I agree that he was average. That's what he is. And that's enough for this team to be an 8-9 win team.

I object to people thinking he's crappy. He's not that either.

Precisely. Stop expecting Tommy Rees to be some kind of offensive savant and you'll stop being disappointed. We all know he's not a particularly good quarterback, and there's no reason to ever think he will be. I agree he missed some plays tonight, and it's annoying. But he was good enough for us to win the game, and W's are the only stat that really matters.

 

[BobD]

I actually searched for the other for a minute before I realized it.



Every week. It's like you are in cahoots with Kelly trying to get rid of another tradition

Yep it's like if you go messing with political threads....I'm gonna Jack you up.

 

[aubeirish]

Precisely. Stop expecting Tommy Rees to be some kind of offensive savant and you'll stop being disappointed. We all know he's not a particularly good quarterback, and there's no reason to ever think he will be. I agree he missed some plays tonight, and it's annoying. But he was good enough for us to win the game, and W's are the only stat that really matters.

That's how I feel.

 

[Irishbounty28]

- TJ Jones and Cam McDaniel played hard and well

- Farley is too slow to play safety

- Carlo and Fox stepped it up in Grace's absence

- DD was unimpressive.

- Brindza. What a leg, lol.

- Tommy was pretty bad. He's really starting to show his limits. The one thing he should be able to do is manage the clock and the offense, but he was the reason for a number of penalties.

- Nick Martin. Come on, man.

- Run defense was amazing all night.

- Jaylon Smith and Shembo. Wow. Tuitt also was a monster in the 2nd half.

- Jerseys looked awesome. Well done ND!

- We won!

- **** Michigan

- **** USC.

Farley may not be the greatest safety, but what he isn't is too slow. If you were to differentiate between actual speed, and recognition speed i may agree with you. He doesn't seem to recognize the play very quickly, but actual speed is not his problem.

Zeke Motta was not an individual who possessed great speed, but was decent in recognition, which made up for quite a bit. The difference is Farley is actual pretty quick, but doesn't seem to recognize plays as well. I would assume this has a lot to do with is time in the system, and at his position. Before last year Zeke had a lot of the same problems, ie taking bad angles, and he progressed accordingly.

Obviously Farley isn't amazing but he isn't slow either, which I think may be your answer for everything. I have agreed with much of what you have said on the board, but this is definitely not one of them. Speed isn't the problem with the team, it is recognition after the snap. Reaction time seems to be lacking, and that comes with confidence. Our teams lacks the confidence that they know what is coming on every play, and therefore hesitates. It isn't just Farley, but quite a few players.

 

[Junkhead]

We should have run on first, threw play action on second.

Has ND thrown even 1 play action pass this season? Talk about missed opportunities.