Post Game Observations.........

[Irish Man3]

I would like to see Golston, who to me looked like the most talented QB on the roster in the spring game. That kid has wheels, escapability, and by far the best arm out of the group.

No doubt. Golston looks nasty. What number is he?

This conversation only comes up because we are 5-3. When Dayne struggled, people were pleading for REESE. Now they realize how limited he is and people are pleading for GOLSTON. Every half-assed fan always wants the next best thing without knowing what the next best thing is.

 

[t3hjc]

I don't know why we're still having this discussion. Rees clearly has limitations, but he's also clearly the quarterback that gives us the best chance to win. What is so hard to understand?

 

[koonja]

I don't know why we're still having this discussion. Rees clearly has limitations, but he's also clearly the quarterback that gives us the best chance to win. What is so hard to understand?

Because it's not as clear as some of you make it sound. I'm willing to bet even BK isn't certain of that but he made his decision and he's sticking with it.

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[tommyIRISH23]

No doubt. Golston looks nasty. What number is he?

This conversation only comes up because we are 5-3. When Dayne struggled, people were pleading for REESE. Now they realize how limited he is and people are pleading for GOLSTON. Every half-assed fan always wants the next best thing without knowing what the next best thing is.

Nice post. Rees gives us the best chance to win this season, I imagine that next season there will be quite the controversy. And, if Hendrix still can't pass Rees, then his ability to pick up the offense has to come into question. Golston still seems like he is more then a year away, I expect we won't see him until 2013, atleast as a every down QB.

 

[Irish Man3]

Nice post. Rees gives us the best chance to win this season, I imagine that next season there will be quite the controversy. And, if Hendrix still can't pass Rees, then his ability to pick up the offense has to come into question. Golston still seems like he is more then a year away, I expect we won't see him until 2013, atleast as a every down QB.

Golson! The kid's name that everyone will be clamoring for next year.... is GOLSON.

 

[koonja]

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#NotreDame HC Brian Kelly said he wanted Dayne Crist, not Tommy Rees, in at 49-7. Said he should've done better job communicating that.


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#NotreDame HC Brian Kelly: "Notre Dame is different than all the other jobs I've had. But there is no challenge that is insurmountable."


Let's just move on from the Rees Crist debate.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

I don't know why we're still having this discussion. Rees clearly has limitations, but he's also clearly the quarterback that gives us the best chance to win. What is so hard to understand?

Because some of the posters have no life and love at every chance to try and convince everyone that Dayne should start. And than some of the other posters call them idiots and point out why Rees should start. And than yet other chime in with Hendrix support, only to have the Dayne supporters come back in to the convo. It goes round and round and soon the post has 300 threads and everyone is just spinnin their wheels. It's close to the definition of insanity.

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[t3hjc]

Because it's not as clear as some of you make it sound. I'm willing to bet even BK isn't certain of that but he made his decision and he's sticking with it.

It is as clear as I made it sound. Dayne is too indecisive and too inaccurate to run this offense consistently and efficiently. Get over it already.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Golson! The kid's name that everyone will be clamoring for next year.... is GOLSON.

I thought so, but the poster I wwas responding to typed Golston, so I just went with it. Sorry, no need to take it personally.

 

[Irish Man3]

I thought so, but the poster I wwas responding to typed Golston, so I just went with it. Sorry, no need to take it personally.

Yea that was me. That's my point. Regardless of who the quarterback is, until we start making BCS strides, fans will want the next best thing. It may be Rees and Dayne this year, next year may be Rees, Golson, and Hendrix. It will never stop until the Irish start winning meaningful games consistently.

 

[koonja]

It is as clear as I made it sound. Dayne is too indecisive and too inaccurate to run this offense consistently and efficiently. Get over it already.

Ahh, if everything were so clear, so black and white. It is clear that he is the starter and will be baring injury, suspension, etc. However, it is not entirely clear that he gives us the best chance to win. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But his play against good defenses certainly opens it up for debate, especially with golden boy riding the pine. Unless you think BK is some robot who only understands binary numbers, then I'm sure he also wonders if Rees gives us a better chance than Crist right now. We'll never know whether he's 51% sure he made the right decision or 90% sure, but I'm sure he scratches his head over it from time to time.

 

[kmoose]

We will not beat Stanford with Tommy Rees at QB. His inability to escape pressure and lack of arm strength are severallly limiting to our offense.

Why do you think that Kelly is calling so many sideline passes and short dink and dunks. Watching this game from the stands yesterday, it is obvious why Rees struggles against elite team with speed. His ball takes so long to reach the receiver that teams with speed can close on everything he throws downfield.

Call me a Rees hater. I am not, but I am a Rees REALIST!!! He is severly limiting our offense. Yes we ran up 50+ on Navy. Big deal. That was not done because Tommy is so good. We had better athletes at WR, RB and OL.

When the other team has good athletes like ND, our glaring weakness shows. Tommy is not taking this or any team to a BCS.

I hope you watched Stanford last night. Their D will eat Tommy alive.

Well, if we want to play the REALIST!! game..... We will not beat Stanford with ANYONE at QB. I hope you watched Stanford last night. They are SIGNIFICANTLY better than us.

 

[t3hjc]

Ahh, if everything were so clear, so black and white. It is clear that he is the starter and will be baring injury, suspension, etc. However, it is not entirely clear that he gives us the best chance to win. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But his play against good defenses certainly opens it up for debate, especially with golden boy riding the pine. Unless you think BK is some robot who only understands binary numbers, then I'm sure he also wonders if Rees gives us a better chance than Crist right now. We'll never know whether he's 51% sure he made the right decision or 90% sure, but I'm sure he scratches his head over it from time to time.

The idea that Kelly is sticking with Rees out of stubbornness and unwillingness to admit a mistake is belied by the fact that he didn't hesitate to pull Crist after one half of football. Kelly never had an issue switching quarterbacks at Cincinnati and going with whoever he thought gave them the best chance to win at a given time. He hasn't gone back to Dayne since week one and the fact that he yanked him after one half of football against South Florida means he doesn't have the amount of faith in Crist some of you people have. We've lost one game with Rees in which he didn't give us ample opportunity to win. Get over it.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

lol these reads are amazing.

 

[koonja]

The idea that Kelly is sticking with Rees out of stubbornness and unwillingness to admit a mistake is belied by the fact that he didn't hesitate to pull Crist after one half of football. Kelly never had an issue switching quarterbacks at Cincinnati and going with whoever he thought gave them the best chance to win at a given time. He hasn't gone back to Dayne since week one and the fact that he yanked him after one half of football against South Florida means he doesn't have the amount of faith in Crist some of you people have. We've lost one game with Rees in which he didn't give us ample opportunity to win. Get over it.

I'm over the fact that Rees is the starter. Nothing an online debate is going to do about that. But don't confuse the fact that BK does have to choose a starter every week with the fact that Rees CLEARLY gives us the best chance to win. Last I checked, we don't have Luck or Barkley under center, we have a TO prone QB with perhaps the best backup in the nation. Just because BK had to make a decision doesn't make who gives us the best chance to win 100% clear.

 

[t3hjc]

I'm over the fact that Rees is the starter. Nothing an online debate is going to do about that. But don't confuse the fact that BK does have to choose a starter every week with the fact that Rees CLEARLY gives us the best chance to win. Last I checked, we don't have Luck or Barkley under center, we have a TO prone QB with perhaps the best backup in the nation. Just because BK had to make a decision doesn't make who gives us the best chance to win 100% clear.

You aren't over it judging by the fact Tommy gets described as "a turnover prone quarterback" and Crist gets described as "perhaps the best backup quarterback in the nation", which is a fairly stupid and meaningless distinction since a majority of teams don't have two quarterbacks with significant starting experience. Get over it. Dayne isn't very good and all the criticisms you're leveling against Rees(turnover prone, doesn't play well against great teams) are just as, if not more so, applicable to Crist.

 

[phork]

I'm over the fact that Rees is the starter. Nothing an online debate is going to do about that. But don't confuse the fact that BK does have to choose a starter every week with the fact that Rees CLEARLY gives us the best chance to win. Last I checked, we don't have Luck or Barkley under center, we have a TO prone QB with perhaps the best backup in the nation. Just because BK had to make a decision doesn't make who gives us the best chance to win 100% clear.

Pretty amazing considering Crist is not a virgin to the turnover game himself. Tommy gives us the best chance because he can read the field better than Crist. Crist just doesn't get that part of the game for some reason. I think you are certainly in the minority with your opinion, and thats ok. This is a message board, lively debate is what keeps the blood flowing.

But discounting facts continuously is one thing, blind allegiance is another. Neither option is a great option, but its all we have. And if I am the coach, based on what I have seen in 2 years on the field, I have to pick Rees.

 

[irishff1014]

It really doesn't matter at the end of the day Rees is kelly's guy flat out good or bad we have seen that. That being said our Qb play has been average. Average wont win you 10 or 11 games a year. Just more reson for Gunner to come to ND.

 

[kmoose]

And now we are back to "Just wait until (insert name here) gets here next year. We'll be BCS ready once he fills (X) hole!"

 

[irishff1014]

We wont go to any BCS gane with Rees.

 

[kmoose]

We wont go to any BCS gane with Rees.

Thanks, Miss Cleo!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

We'll be BCS ready once he fills (X) hole!"

 

[jason_h537]

We wont go to any BCS gane with Rees.

Lots of people thought the same thing about Craig Krenzel or Greg McElroy. I think it is a bit premature to think Rees can or can not QB a BCS team.

 

[enrico514]

We wont go to any BCS gane with Rees.

IMHO there's no way he's he QB next year even if we win the rest of the games this year. TR is who the coach thinks gives us the best chance of winning today. He opened up the competition this year and he will do the same next year... he knows TR's physical limitation and understands he needs to put a good product on the field in year 3. BK will play the QB that gives him the best chance of winning... hopefully the two other kids will have increased their knowledge of the system by then and EG will have put on a few pounds to the the punishment he will take if he is the chosen one.

 

[enrico514]

Lots of people thought the same thing about Craig Krenzel or Greg McElroy. I think it is a bit premature to think Rees can or can not QB a BCS team.

Not familiar with Krenzel but ND overall is not at the level where Alabama was when McElroy was there... I wish it was !!! You're comparing apples to oranges...

 

[Old Man Mike]

I am a believer that the team will clean up its turnovers as we go forward. Anyone who still has a couple of functioning neurons to rub together should admit that with clean games we would have won every one of them. A lot of the anger and hysteria on this board is due to the near impossible weirdness in which we have lost games, not that our players are not good.

A team that is capable of "winning every one of them" without fantastically stretching your imagination sounds to me like a team which is VERY close to being there. And most of the professional commentators seem to see us that way too. Notre Dame is one of the last teams that I'd be looking forward to playing if I were an opposing coach. Which Notre Dame would show up?: the yardage eating, bone-crunching Monster?, or the awkward Giant that trips over his feet?

 

[jason_h537]

Not familiar with Krenzel but ND overall is not at the level where Alabama was when McElroy was there... I wish it was !!! You're comparing apples to oranges...

Krenzel was the QB for the 2001 Ohio St national Championship team. I am not comparing ND to Bama or OSU, I am comparing Rees to Krenzel and McElroy. All 3 were limited in ability and were considered liabilities at some point in their careers.

 

[enrico514]

Krenzel was the QB for the 2001 Ohio St national Championship team. I am not comparing ND to Bama or OSU, I am comparing Rees to Krenzel and McElroy. All 3 were limited in ability and were considered liabilities at some point in their careers.

For sure... but QBs with limited abilities are easier to accept when all the other pieces are in place. They just aren't yet at ND.

 

[woolybug25]

And now we are back to "Just wait until (insert name here) gets here next year. We'll be BCS ready once he fills (X) hole!"

Our team is built much differently than past seasons. We have built solid depth in the offensive line and defensive front 7. When we all got excited about Clausen, we had neither. If Clausen would have stayed for his senior year, we would have had a chance at the BCS last year. Gunner would be getting a young but experienced, deep and very talented supporting cast. I think that there is a lot of relative evidence for they assumptions of what Gunner would be stepping into.

As far as Rees, I really think that people are forgetting that he is a true sophomore. He has been playing pretty dang well for a young kid on a huge stage. That same "bright lights" situation is what has been difficult for Dayne to handle. Pair that with an inability to properly survey the field, and you get that "deer in the headlights" version of Dayne Crist. I get why people want him to play, but we have seen a lot of Dayne in big situations, and he simply hasn't been good when the stage gets big.

 

[irishff1014]

I am a believer that the team will clean up its turnovers as we go forward. Anyone who still has a couple of functioning neurons to rub together should admit that with clean games we would have won every one of them. A lot of the anger and hysteria on this board is due to the near impossible weirdness in which we have lost games, not that our players are not good.

A team that is capable of "winning every one of them" without fantastically stretching your imagination sounds to me like a team which is VERY close to being there. And most of the professional commentators seem to see us that way too. Notre Dame is one of the last teams that I'd be looking forward to playing if I were an opposing coach. Which Notre Dame would show up?: the yardage eating, bone-crunching Monster?, or the awkward Giant that trips over his feet?

I do understand the direction you are going but this Team doesn't learn from its mistakes if so we would keep turning the ball over.