Post Game Observations (BYU)...

[palinurus]

Apparently you haven't bothered to read any previous posts, so I'll summarize for you. Your expectation for each season should vary annually depending on the personnel on the team. You can't realistically expect a BCS caliber season every single year.

I agree with this. But you can wonder why things are at a sub-par level. Sometimes it's understandable at some level -- as with the injuries and losing Golson, etc. -- and sometimes it's not.

 

[DillonHall]

I agree with this. But you can wonder why things are at a sub-par level. Sometimes it's understandable at some level -- as with the injuries and losing Golson, etc. -- and sometimes it's not.

Yep, and I think it'll be very interesting to discuss this topic during bowl practices.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Apparently you haven't bothered to read any previous posts, so I'll summarize for you. Your expectation for each season should vary annually depending on the personnel on the team. You can't realistically expect a BCS caliber season every single year.

I would assume that the expectations from the fanbase would mirror those of the coaches and players. I can't imagine that a coach or player would ever expect anything less when they come here. If the coaches and players expect it, I don't see it as unreasonable for the fanbase to as well. I'll keep expecting BCS yearly and be disappointed when we don't, you keep expecting it one year and mediocrity another.

 

[DillonHall]

I would assume that the expectations from the fanbase would mirror those of the coaches and players. I can't imagine that a coach or player would ever expect anything less when they come here. If the coaches and players expect it, I don't see it as unreasonable for the fanbase to as well. I'll keep expecting BCS yearly and be disappointed when we don't, you keep expecting it one year and mediocrity another.

AGAIN, you can have whatever expectations you want. But it doesn't make it objective nor logical.

What a joke

 

[Irish Insanity]

AGAIN, you can have whatever expectations you want. But it doesn't make it objective nor logical.

What a joke

Neither does expecting mediocrity at any point.

 

[DillonHall]

Neither does expecting mediocrity at any point.

So you must not care about coaching, returning players, injuries, or recruiting? Because, you know, obviously since it's Notre Dame, the football team should reach a BCS every year.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Our recruiting class is annually top 10, our injuries happened during the year not before, we have a great group of returning players, our Coach (in my opinion) is a top 10 coach.

 

[kmoose]

I would assume that the expectations from the fanbase would mirror those of the coaches and players. I can't imagine that a coach or player would ever expect anything less when they come here. If the coaches and players expect it, I don't see it as unreasonable for the fanbase to as well. I'll keep expecting BCS yearly and be disappointed when we don't, you keep expecting it one year and mediocrity another.

I think you are substituting goals and expectations, as if they are the same thing. They aren't. While the coaches may set the BCS as a goal every year, I highly doubt that they expect it, every year. It's one thing to believe something is possible, and quite another to actually EXPECT it to come true.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Good point Moose. That's why gambling is so popular. People tend to look at the possibility of something happening, and not the probability.

 

[DillonHall]

Our recruiting class is annually top 10, our injuries happened during the year not before, we have a great group of returning players, our Coach (in my opinion) is a top 10 coach.

You don't get the point. I'm done

 

[stlnd01]

Given the talent/coaching/resources at hand I don't think it's unreasonable these days to expect Notre Dame to compete for a BCS spot every year. We want to be a top ten program and BCS is basically what that means.
Doesn't mean the season is a total failure if we lose three and don't make it in. I certainly wouldn't describe this year as a total failure. Some years you don't get the breaks. That's college football.
But being in the hunt and playing meaningful games well into November shouldn't be too much to expect at this point.

 

[woolybug25]

Well… considering the BCS is done, I suppose expecting us to go to a BCS game every year is pretty unrealistic. haha

 

[ARALOU]

I bet 100 gazillion vbucks that ND never goes to another BCS game. Nice call Wooly.

 

[stlnd01]

OK. Fair enough. The BCS is gone. But 10-2/Top 10 or 12/major bowl game seems like something we should be targeting most years.

 

[ARALOU]

Agreed.

 

[rocket66]

OK. Fair enough. The BCS is gone. But 10-2/Top 10 or 12/major bowl game seems like something we should be targeting most years.

I guarantee it's the expectation from the staff every single year.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Well… considering the BCS is done, I suppose expecting us to go to a BCS game every year is pretty unrealistic. haha

Sonofabitch. I'll probably be the only fan still expecting it year in and year out.

 

[kmoose]

OK. Fair enough. The BCS is gone. But 10-2/Top 10 or 12/major bowl game seems like something we should be targeting most years.

"Targeting", yes. "Expecting", no. There are too many variables, including injuries and just plain bad luck, to expect 10 wins every year.

 

[ARALOU]

Doesn't targeting draw a flag and possible ejection? Are we sure we want to target?

 

[ARALOU]

Especially with the loose interpretation of the rule?

 

[kmoose]

This place could use a few more ejections, don't ya think?

Thin the herd a bit, ya see...

 

[ARALOU]

LOL, meh, it ain't what it used to be but what is? I was thinking about how this place used to be. Especially when Weis was floundering. Wasnt pretty. Now at least ND is in games and even had a run at a title. Been a good last few seasons if you ask me.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Apparently you haven't bothered to read any previous posts, so I'll summarize for you. Your expectation for each season should vary annually depending on the personnel on the team. You can't realistically expect a BCS caliber season every single year.

Why not? Top 10 recruiting if we have a coach that gives a damn. If we have top 10 personnel, we should be a top 10 team logically? So why is BCS an unrealistic expectation?

What did you expect last year?

 

[RallySonsOfND]

With the staff Notre Dame SHOULD always have, and the talent Notre Dame SHOULD always have, I think expecting 10 win seasons 3 times every 5 years with a title run (10+ wins) sprinkled in once in that time span is realistic. The other years should be at least 7 wins.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

I think you are substituting goals and expectations, as if they are the same thing. They aren't. While the coaches may set the BCS as a goal every year, I highly doubt that they expect it, every year. It's one thing to believe something is possible, and quite another to actually EXPECT it to come true.

You set a goal that you expect to attain. Maybe you hit it Kmoose, Kelly just expects too much out of his players...or he is BSing. Which one is it?

 

[kmoose]

You set a goal that you expect to attain. Maybe you hit it Kmoose, Kelly just expects too much out of his players...or he is BSing. Which one is it?

You set goals that will push your subordinates to strive, goals that will challenge them. Just because you know it is possible for them to achieve those goals, that doesn't mean that you expect them to achieve them. You know that they CAN, and you HOPE they will. But only a fool expects them to.

Lou Holtz was a Hall of Fame coach who no one should doubt was one of the best college coaches in the country, in his time.

Lou averaged less than 10 wins a year.

But KELLY? Well hell, Kelly ABSOLUTELY SHOULD win 10 games a year. No excuse if he doesn't.

 

[DillonHall]

Why not? Top 10 recruiting if we have a coach that gives a damn. If we have top 10 personnel, we should be a top 10 team logically? So why is BCS an unrealistic expectation?

What did you expect last year?

You're a liar if you're saying you expected us to be anywhere close to 12-0 last year. Or you're crazy optimistic

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Some people just were emotionally and mentally unable to separate last year's team from this year's. Thus the grandiose expectations.

 

[stlnd01]

You set goals that will push your subordinates to strive, goals that will challenge them. Just because you know it is possible for them to achieve those goals, that doesn't mean that you expect them to achieve them. You know that they CAN, and you HOPE they will. But only a fool expects them to.

Lou Holtz was a Hall of Fame coach who no one should doubt was one of the best college coaches in the country, in his time.

Lou averaged less than 10 wins a year.

But KELLY? Well hell, Kelly ABSOLUTELY SHOULD win 10 games a year. No excuse if he doesn't.

In most of those Holtz years, Notre Dame only played 11 regular season games. It's not quite a fair comparison.

As for the semantics, this is getting a bit silly. Obviously "expectations" vary based on the situation. I downgraded mine by a game after Golson got suspended, for instance. And yet we came pretty close to winning 10, despite a raft of injuries on defense.
All I'm saying is Kelly has developed the program to a level where 10 wins should be attainable more often than not. Nine is not a firing offense. But Shreveport Bowls (that we deserve, unlike this year on a technicality) and seasons that are all but over by Veterans Day should be behind us at this point. This is actually a good thing.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Why not? Top 10 recruiting if we have a coach that gives a damn. If we have top 10 personnel, we should be a top 10 team logically? So why is BCS an unrealistic expectation?

What did you expect last year?

Those classes included Tee, Vanderdoes, Gunner, Devonte Neal, and on and on. I don't know that we have top 10 personnel.