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[drayer54]

very symbolic


The counter programming is surely going to pull back the non cuck male vote.

 

[Irish#1]

That second one is pretty cringe worthy, but in all honesty, having a fight at the WH was a bit much. Would prefer to keep the WH more presidential.

 

[Fbolt]

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Which one is NDW, and which one is TG?

 

[TorontoGold]

lol that picture is the spitting image of his profile picture, look at the shirts. Stones and glass houses etc etc.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

That kind of justification is literally the exact same the Nazi party made in the 30s. It also distracts from your position that you think it’s ok to make a religion a monolith because of a theocracy.

Anyone that stabs another person is wrong? You need me to spell it out for you pal? So if I’m getting this correctly, right white people not wanting immigrants to live near them is racist……but you don’t migrants legal/illegal to come to the US…..this all is very clear! lol just twisting yourself in a knot.

My stance on illegal immigration has zero correlation with Nazi mindset from the 1930's, and that type of sad attempt by you screams desperation. Immigration aside, I agree with nothing that the national socialist party enacted.

 

[TorontoGold]

My stance on illegal immigration has zero correlation with Nazi mindset from the 1930's, and that type of sad attempt by you screams desperation. Immigration aside, I agree with nothing that the national socialist party enacted.

LOL yeah blaming an entire religion for crime and saying that they are leading to the downfall of Europe does not sound at all like anything from the 1930s....

It's good that you're testing running these theories here and not in front of a normal person because they would be deeply concerned over your mental wellbeing.

 

[NDWarrior]

Which one is NDW, and which one is TG?

This is really stupid... 3rd grade material

 

[NDWarrior]

Hungary Smungary... Deport them all!

 

[ulukinatme]

Hungary Smungary... Deport them all!

Funny, they cut out the part where they talk about the evils of anti-semitism during Nazi Germany....wouldn't want to upset the Pro Palestine crowd, now would they?

 

[NDWarrior]

Funny, they cut out the part where they talk about the evils of anti-semitism during Nazi Germany....wouldn't want to upset the Pro Palestine crowd, now would they?

That's just the abbreviated version... Here you go.



Why would the Pro Palestine crowd be upset? They already know the danger and see it being repeated by Israel with the Middle Eastern countries.

 

[ulukinatme]

That's just the abbreviated version... Here you go.



Why would the Pro Palestine crowd be upset? They already know the danger and see it being repeated by Israel with the Middle Eastern countries.

Bro, you're literally posting the same video I just did.

Yes, the horrible genocide by Israel. 3% of the population, many of which were terrorists.

 

[NDWarrior]

1st Grade gaslighting. Come on man.

Especially note #5 which coesn’t even discuss the level of cruelty and depravity that is used to kill, maim, and rape women and children.

1. The legal definition of genocide isn’t about body counts

This is the argument’s foundational flaw. Under the 1948 Genocide Convention, genocide requires intent to destroy a group “in whole or in part.” You don’t need to kill 30-40% of a population. The Holocaust killed roughly 1% of Europe’s total population — no one disputes it was genocide. The Srebrenica massacre (~8,000 killed) was ruled genocide by international courts. The argument’s entire premise misunderstands the legal standard.

2. The Hiroshima/Nagasaki comparison is misleading

Nuclear bombs kill primarily through instantaneous blast and radiation. Gaza has been under sustained bombardment, siege, and blockade for over a year with ongoing casualties. Comparing a two-day event to a prolonged campaign is not a valid apples-to-apples comparison. Additionally, the 73k figure cited reflects confirmed deaths — independent analysts and the Lancet estimated actual deaths (including indirect causes like disease and starvation) could be several times higher.

3. “A substantial percentage are terrorists” is asserted, not demonstrated

The post states this as fact. Gaza’s health authorities (the source cited) record deaths by age and gender — a significant proportion of documented deaths are women and children, which contradicts this claim without evidence.

4. Lower death toll could reflect obstacles to killing, not intent to spare

A low death toll relative to capacity is consistent with either restrained intent or practical limitations (urban terrain, international pressure, hostage concerns, etc.). The argument treats one interpretation as the only possible one.

5. It conflates “not maximally lethal” with “not genocidal”

Genocide scholars and courts look at a pattern of actions: forced displacement, destruction of food/water/medical infrastructure, dehumanizing statements by officials, blocking humanitarian aid. The ICJ’s January 2024 provisional ruling found a plausible case for genocide precisely because of this broader evidentiary picture — not body count percentages.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

LOL yeah blaming an entire religion for crime and saying that they are leading to the downfall of Europe does not sound at all like anything from the 1930s....

It's good that you're testing running these theories here and not in front of a normal person because they would be deeply concerned over your mental wellbeing.

More desperation.

The Jews persecuted and sent to death camps were innocent citizens in their own country, and they sure as hell weren't wielding knives and machetes while screaming alluha Akbar.

7700 messages within a couple years to a bunch of strangers on the internet is going to scream mental health way before my stance on illegal immigration.

 

[TorontoGold]

More desperation.

The Jews persecuted and sent to death camps were innocent citizens in their own country, and they sure as hell weren't wielding knives and machetes while screaming alluha Akbar.

7700 messages within a couple years to a bunch of strangers on the internet is going to scream mental health way before my stance on illegal immigration.

As an aside - I mean, is that not what Israel is doing to Palestinians now?

You believe that Muslims writ large are screaming Alluha akbar? What about those in Iran that were happy Khamenei was killed? If they were truly religious fanatics wouldn’t they stay in their extremists theocracies? Doesn’t really make sense to jump ship if they’re religious lunatics who hate the West.

You think Irish#1 or Uluk are mentally ill too? They post a lot as well, but I wouldn’t say they’re mentally ill. Of course, you change your rules and beliefs on the fly.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

As an aside - I mean, is that not what Israel is doing to Palestinians now?

You believe that Muslims writ large are screaming Alluha akbar? What about those in Iran that were happy Khamenei was killed? If they were truly religious fanatics wouldn’t they stay in their extremists theocracies? Doesn’t really make sense to jump ship if they’re religious lunatics who hate the West.

You think Irish#1 or Uluk are mentally ill too? They post a lot as well, but I wouldn’t say they’re mentally ill. Of course, you change your rules and beliefs on the fly.

Nope, not spinning in the vortex (Israel and Palestine).

The Muslims in Iran aren't of my concern because they're in...Iran. The Muslims slashing, stabbing and even beheading innocent people in western countries who allowed them in are a concern. You can't be this dense.

Irish1 and Uluk have both been here several years, and neither made a joke about mental health. You've reached 7700 messages before Deloitte could finish their 2025 financial audit on Comcast. My beliefs haven't changed a bit. You're deflecting...again.

 

[Old Man Mike]

........ I'm wondering how ANY of this stuff can be viewed as "OK" or "not so bad"... by ANYONE ... regardless of "politics."

Really depressing non-spiritual reading. (I can honor discussion, but lightly skipping across one's own side's horrors ... yikes.)

 

[TorontoGold]

Nope, not spinning in the vortex (Israel and Palestine).

The Muslims in Iran aren't of my concern because they're in...Iran. The Muslims slashing, stabbing and even beheading innocent people in western countries who allowed them in are a concern. You can't be this dense.

Irish1 and Uluk have both been here several years, and neither made a joke about mental health. You've reached 7700 messages before Deloitte could finish their 2025 financial audit on Comcast. My beliefs haven't changed a bit. You're deflecting...again.

Figured, I know it's hard to branch out from twitter opinions.

How do you think these Muslim people come to be? Do you think they spawn in at the shores of the UK? lmao. It's simply counterfactual to believe that religion is pushing them to leave and try to spread that to Western countries.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Figured, I know it's hard to branch out from twitter opinions.

How do you think these Muslim people come to be? Do you think they spawn in at the shores of the UK? lmao. It's simply counterfactual to believe that religion is pushing them to leave and try to spread that to Western countries.

Easier for you to derail, deflect, and redirect when you don't have a leg to stand on and refuse to accept certain realities as they are.

 

[TorontoGold]

Easier for you to derail, deflect, and redirect when you don't have a leg to stand on and refuse to accept certain realities as they are.

The reality that they’re trying to conquer a nation by leaving a nation that is a theocracy. The reality that only exists in your nightmares.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

The reality that they’re trying to conquer a nation by leaving a nation that is a theocracy. The reality that only exists in your nightmares.

Texas has seen a 35% growth in mosques built in the past decade. They aren't going there to turn into cowboys and oil rig dudes with big belt buckles.

London is now 15% Muslim population, half of whom under age 25. You think they were attracted to London because of fish and chips?

10% of the French population is now Muslim. Must be the top shelf wine, right?

Germany it's about 7%. It wasn't for the potato pancakes.

All this without even diving into the crime spikes (specifically sexual assault) European countries have reported in the past decade, which I know other posters here have listed in previous discussions.

These aren't nightmares. These are the statistics and data you love, but you won't acknowledge any of this because your issue is the messenger, not the message.

 

[TorontoGold]

Texas has seen a 35% growth in mosques built in the past decade. They aren't going there to turn into cowboys and oil rig dudes with big belt buckles.

London is now 15% Muslim population, half of whom under age 25. You think they were attracted to London because of fish and chips?

10% of the French population is now Muslim. Must be the top shelf wine, right?

Germany it's about 7%. It wasn't for the potato pancakes.

All this without even diving into the crime spikes (specifically sexual assault) European countries have reported in the past decade, which I know other posters here have listed in previous discussions.

These aren't nightmares. These are the statistics and data you love, but you won't acknowledge any of this because your issue is the messenger, not the message.

What's great about this little taster sample from you is that if I did this you'd meltdown because "VOrTEx". But, since I am not a hypocrite or a coward I'll respond. Remember when I mentioned Iranians and you short circuited because you only care about Muslim's in the US? Boy howdy that's a real doozy to explain to the other posters, but they just see "muslim" and instantly hate it.

1) Texas - Do you know the actual conversion rates? Would it surprise you to know that rate of conversion is the exact same as those that leave the religion? Of course, you wouldn't actually care to look that up because OMG INVASION.

2) London - Would it surprise you to know that 99% of UK born Muslims their main language is English? For non-UK born Muslims, 55% of them state that the UK is their only national identity. Seems like a confusing thing to do if you're trying to invade a country? I wonder if Vivek is actually some sort of foreign agent, he's non-christian and not white? Is he not a true American? Can't wait until we start doing some mischling tests on who's sufficiently "Western".

(https://mcb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Census-Report-Summary-2025-.pdf)

3) France - You're taking the metro rate, did you care to look up the rate for the entire country? I'll leave it to you to look that up and report back. Of course, I don't expect you to because it would either be "zomgggg vOrtEX" or *silence*.

4) Germany - In a 16 year period the share of Muslim's increased by 2%. You want to complain about a 2% growth share. You're an adult, correct?

5) Crime - You have any great crime stats based on religion that you can share, or are we just going to point to the random tweets from seniors who can't decipher what's AI and what's real? We want to point to them as trusted resources? By all means let's see what they can pull up.

I do love data and statistics, unfortunately you can't interpret of understand them to a proficient level. You can't share sources, you can't argue on merits because "vortex", what can you do?

 

[Old Man Mike]

I am very concerned about allowing any violent person into the USA, or my home town, or my neighborhood. That's common sense. What that has to do with building mosques in Texas only becomes part of that commonsense concern if the link is explained in some honest way. Maybe this linkage is clear, but building a mosque doesn't get there for me. Now I used to live in a small WV town where building a mosque would have been disliked by probably the majority of the citizens, but that would have been true without them ever meeting any of the people involved --- an old-time ingrained prejudice of concepts, pictures, and memes. (one of the few doctors in the area was a muslim by the way, and people liked him once they knew him.)

I get why this issue (proper or not) is roiling around the highly divided and hate-the-different country that we have; it's just that I'd like to see it discussed with some wisdom-moderated shades of subtlety. This seems FAR beyond the capability of the IE format, I'll admit. Still most of the obvious prejudice and emotion-think on IE comes in "our" comments rather than any study of things in the actual world outside websites. We've got crime, yep. My experience reading studies of that (I had to once because of one course that I taught --- it was LONG ago) indicated that the BIG percentage of people committing crimes and going to prisons seemed to come from difficult life circumstances involving poverty, bad living/health conditions, bad parenting situations, drug environments etc, rather than what Church they happened to (not) go to. This led to some spectacularly "unbalanced" statistics on what "type" of person was in our prisons.

Once in a while it would be nice to read some really thoughtful and unhateful presentations of reasoning on these sorts of things.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

What's great about this little taster sample from you is that if I did this you'd meltdown because "VOrTEx". But, since I am not a hypocrite or a coward I'll respond. Remember when I mentioned Iranians and you short circuited because you only care about Muslim's in the US? Boy howdy that's a real doozy to explain to the other posters, but they just see "muslim" and instantly hate it.

1) Texas - Do you know the actual conversion rates? Would it surprise you to know that rate of conversion is the exact same as those that leave the religion? Of course, you wouldn't actually care to look that up because OMG INVASION.

2) London - Would it surprise you to know that 99% of UK born Muslims their main language is English? For non-UK born Muslims, 55% of them state that the UK is their only national identity. Seems like a confusing thing to do if you're trying to invade a country? I wonder if Vivek is actually some sort of foreign agent, he's non-christian and not white? Is he not a true American? Can't wait until we start doing some mischling tests on who's sufficiently "Western".

(https://mcb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Census-Report-Summary-2025-.pdf)

3) France - You're taking the metro rate, did you care to look up the rate for the entire country? I'll leave it to you to look that up and report back. Of course, I don't expect you to because it would either be "zomgggg vOrtEX" or *silence*.

4) Germany - In a 16 year period the share of Muslim's increased by 2%. You want to complain about a 2% growth share. You're an adult, correct?

5) Crime - You have any great crime stats based on religion that you can share, or are we just going to point to the random tweets from seniors who can't decipher what's AI and what's real? We want to point to them as trusted resources? By all means let's see what they can pull up.

I do love data and statistics, unfortunately you can't interpret of understand them to a proficient level. You can't share sources, you can't argue on merits because "vortex", what can you do?

People here refer to you and your vortex because when the conversation doesn't go your way you deflect, redirect or move the goal posts. I don't care about Muslims in Iran because they're staying in Iran. I'm concerned about the Muslims fleeing their homeland to move to western countries and have no plans to assimilate to their new land's laws and culture. Your lack of awareness of the risks associated with that is a you problem.

Texas - no it doesn't surprise me and it doesn't take away from the huge surge in mosques I noted.

London - no it doesn't surprise me and it doesn't take away from the fact that in a decade or two London may no longer be British.

France - you're grasping here

Germany - sure

Crime - you really don't wanna go there. a true "nightmare", as you referred to my opinion recently, would be 250,000 young British girls trafficked by a Pakistani gang. And that's just for starters.

The stats I posted are accurate, I didn't fabricate them, they didn't come from twitter and I don't doubt the ones you posted either. I do argue on merit, I am consistent, and I don't give a damn if a Canadian accountant doesn't like it.

 

[TorontoGold]

People here refer to you and your vortex because when the conversation doesn't go your way you deflect, redirect or move the goal posts. I don't care about Muslims in Iran because they're staying in Iran. I'm concerned about the Muslims fleeing their homeland to move to western countries and have no plans to assimilate to their new land's laws and culture. Your lack of awareness of the risks associated with that is a you problem.

That is incorrect. I give you so much grace to move into other areas, and am given much less because there’s different rule sets. You don’t have trolls like Bishop barking about vortex. Which is fine, because a fake humiliated doctor is not a serious person.

Muslims living in Muslim theocracies are central to the idea of this belief of “Muslim takeover” because a serious person would not think the radicals would flee a country with their most extreme in power to turn a western country into their homeland when they could…..just live there.

Texas - no it doesn't surprise me and it doesn't take away from the huge surge in mosques I noted.

Sure it takes away - you’re arguing the presence of mosques increasing = more. Well to have more you need to convert more…..and you don’t see that in the numbers.

London - no it doesn't surprise me and it doesn't take away from the fact that in a decade or two London may no longer be British.

What is British? Is it just being white? Because the trend is showing more and more Muslim immigrants are adopting being British as their identity. Your argument only works if you want to argue that someone can only be considered a “Brit/American/German” if they represent the founding ethnicity. Not sure you want to go down that parh.

France - you're grasping here

If I’m grasping what does your position mean because I’m adding context to your opinion. It would make your opinion less valid if I’m grasping.

Germany - sure

Crime - you really don't wanna go there. a true "nightmare", as you referred to my opinion recently, would be 250,000 young British girls trafficked by a Pakistani gang. And that's just for starters.

Haven’t looked at the merits of that investigation but yeah that’s horrible.

The stats I posted are accurate, I didn't fabricate them, they didn't come from twitter and I don't doubt the ones you posted either. I do argue on merit, I am consistent, and I don't give a damn if a Canadian accountant doesn't like it.

Then argue on merit if you claim that to be position. Religious crime data is incredibly tough to come by and mosques being built don’t signify anything.

If I was personally hurt by anything on this website I wouldn’t still be here so that’s good you don’t give a damn. I’ll still be here until I get clipped for a 2008 bet or I say anything remotely political in the main threads and inmates call for me to get banned.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Cruz points out the inconvenient truth about the democrats and their history of racism

 

[Bishop2b5]

People here refer to you and your vortex because when the conversation doesn't go your way you deflect, redirect or move the goal posts. I don't care about Muslims in Iran because they're staying in Iran. I'm concerned about the Muslims fleeing their homeland to move to western countries and have no plans to assimilate to their new land's laws and culture. Your lack of awareness of the risks associated with that is a you problem.

Texas - no it doesn't surprise me and it doesn't take away from the huge surge in mosques I noted.

London - no it doesn't surprise me and it doesn't take away from the fact that in a decade or two London may no longer be British.

France - you're grasping here

Germany - sure

Crime - you really don't wanna go there. a true "nightmare", as you referred to my opinion recently, would be 250,000 young British girls trafficked by a Pakistani gang. And that's just for starters.

The stats I posted are accurate, I didn't fabricate them, they didn't come from twitter and I don't doubt the ones you posted either. I do argue on merit, I am consistent, and I don't give a damn if a Canadian accountant doesn't like it.

He knows. He's intentionally duplicitous and intellectually dishonest. He's been that way since the day he joined IE. It's why I've made so much fun of him for being the king of strawman arguments. It's just him being a useful idiot for every anti-normal, anti-Western culture cause out there. It makes him feel big. He needs that.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Cruz points out the inconvenient truth about the democrats and their history of racism

So what happened to the party of Lincoln? Why is the Republican Party the party of hate now? What happened after the Civil Rights Act was passed? You keep posting this shit without acknowledging that the Republican Party is the current party of racists. Not all Republicans are racist, but all racists that vote, vote for republicans.

 

[TorontoGold]

So what happened to the party of Lincoln? Why is the Republican Party the party of hate now? What happened after the Civil Rights Act was passed? You keep posting this shit without acknowledging that the Republican Party is the current party of racists. Not all Republicans are racist, but all racists that vote, vote for republicans.

You’re going to have to post pictures and shapes so he can understand you. Preferably ones made with AI that reinforce previously held beliefs. He got his medical training in the Dunning-Krueger trials as a test subject.

 

[Bishop2b5]

So what happened to the party of Lincoln? Why is the Republican Party the party of hate now? What happened after the Civil Rights Act was passed? You keep posting this shit without acknowledging that the Republican Party is the current party of racists. Not all Republicans are racist, but all racists that vote, vote for republicans.

Claiming the Republican party is the party of racism and hate is just the dems deflecting from their own long racist history and trying to reframe the narrative. It's standard leftist strategy: accuse your opponent of what you're guilty of. No amount of it will change the fact that the democrats fought for slavery, founded the Klan, instituted Jim Crow, supported segregation, elected a former Klan leader as president pro tempore of the US Senate, and still treat Blacks as helpless and incompetent, unable to succeed or even know how to get an ID without their help. Your party's past (and present) is shameful. Keep defending it and pretending it isn't.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Claiming the Republican party is the party of racism and hate is just the dems deflecting from their own long racist history and trying to reframe the narrative. It's standard leftist strategy: accuse your opponent of what you're guilty of. No amount of it will change the fact that the democrats fought for slavery, founded the Klan, instituted Jim Crow, supported segregation, elected a former Klan leader as president pro tempore of the US Senate, and still treat Blacks as helpless and incompetent, unable to succeed or even know how to get an ID without their help. Your party's past (and present) is shameful. Keep defending it and pretending it isn't.