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[irishtrooper]

Nobody knew they were coming…….ummm ok. This is nonsense. Kidnapping ….sure. Both sides so nakedly partisan on this stuff. Although one side clutches pearls and declares an emergency with 50 migrants. I’m sure the Florida governor is quite concerned with a Texas Sheriff threatening him. The border problem that our President and VP pretend doesn’t exist isn’t going away. Our economy is in a recession and we think we have the means to support non-citizens. Promises of free stuff while pretending that the left isn’t inviting migrants into the country is silly.

 

[Irish#1]

And I provided both the "emotional" answer being that I like helping businesses, and the "economic" answer in that it is much less costly and more impactful to provide direct impacts on the economy.

Ok on the macro level then, this is actually the line of economics I majored in so I'm glad you want to discuss this vs the micro economic impact. Having the debt burden with the government vs. the general populous is much better as the government obviously will have better lenders than an individual. Allowing your population to have more free cash flow is

Which extra baggage did I bring? I don't recall in my post where I made it personal or anything to that effect. Please point it out.

You started talking about the 80's and mortgage rates, different economic environment from 10-15 years ago. That's the extra baggage.

To the bolded, why didn't you just say that in the first place? I can accept that answer as to why you think it's okay to forgive student loans and print out the COVID money. Don't agree with the act(s), but can respect that answer.

 

[Irish#1]

Emotional distress? Walking from Honduras, Mexico, Guatemala, etc. with no food, water, protection and money wasn't a stress? A money hungry lawyer is behind this.

 

[TorontoGold]

You started talking about the 80's and mortgage rates, different economic environment from 10-15 years ago. That's the extra baggage.

To the bolded, why didn't you just say that in the first place? I can accept that answer as to why you think it's okay to forgive student loans and print out the COVID money. Don't agree with the act(s), but can respect that answer.

Yeah that was just to provide context to why comparing economic conditions of the past to today in regards to student loans is asymmetrical. Wasn't meant to be a misdirection, it's actually how I came to my position of being ok with student loan forgiveness. Because I took the same position as others that if you signed up for it you should pay for it.

At the end of the day I think (?) we can agree that this is just a bandaid solution for the out of control costs of education. If nothing meaningful is going to be done to the pricing at the University/College level the positives from this forgiveness will just be washed away.

 

[Irish#1]

Yeah that was just to provide context to why comparing economic conditions of the past to today in regards to student loans is asymmetrical. Wasn't meant to be a misdirection, it's actually how I came to my position of being ok with student loan forgiveness. Because I took the same position as others that if you signed up for it you should pay for it.

At the end of the day I think (?) we can agree that this is just a bandaid solution for the out of control costs of education. If nothing meaningful is going to be done to the pricing at the University/College level the positives from this forgiveness will just be washed away.

It is a band-aid solution and why I'm not in favor of it. I've got five kids with loans and it looks like they may benefit some from this, but it doesn't change my stance. You hit the nail on the head concerning the price of tuition. Schools are in their own little arms race to attract more students and they do this by building new facilities, luxury student housing, etc.. Of course the students end up paying for the biggest portion through higher tuition, but no one is going after the schools.

I worked for Sallie Mae and the one thing they and other lenders do that I don't agree with, is granting forbearances like they are passing out free tickets to a concert. Kids get forbearances all the time, but forget that the interest machine is still running and increasing their debt. That's how many of them end up like they do. If they would just pay the interest they'd be in a much better position. IMO, there needs to be restrictions making students meet certain criteria to get a forbearance.

BTW, for anyone interested. If you know someone who has defaulted on student loans and is getting collection calls, you can probably offer them a settlement of about half of what they want and they'll take it.

Another tidbit about Sallie Mae prior to the government splitting them up. SLM grants a government subsidized loan. You then default on the loan. SLM does their due diligence and tells the government you aren't paying. The government reimburses SLM something like 70% of the loan. SLM then gets to send it to their collections group who collects on the loan and add a bunch of fees. $$$$$$$$$

 

[ab2cmiller]

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks about the benefits to our economy, individuals or society as a whole. What Biden did is attempting to do is illegal. Even Pelosi originally said he couldn't do it. The legal justification for Biden being able to do it? The Heroes Act, which requires a national emergency. So with a stroke of a pen he forgives student loan debt because of the COVID pandemic. A month later he goes on 60 minutes and declares the pandemic is over. LOL. White House staffers are crapping their pants because they know this undercuts the sham that is taking place.

In the end, Biden doesn't give a shit. He is playing politics. He knows that this will likely get shot down in the courts eventually, but he knows that will be after the elections. I'm certain he will then also decry some "MAGA loving Judge" for ignoring the law. Biden wins twice.

 

[IrishLax]

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

More fascists. Yay

 

[sixstar]

More fascists. Yay

Explain how anything she said is fascist.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Explain how anything she said is fascist.

Her Party the Brothers of Italy is a neo fascist party per the history books. She has a Militant far right history as well and has praised Mussolini publically.

How a party of neo-fascist roots won big in Italy

The Brothers of Italy party has won the most votes in Italy’s national election. The party has its roots in the post-World War II neo-fascist Italian Social Movement.

apnews.com

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PARTY’S LOGO?

The party has at the center of its logo the red, white and green flame of the original MSI that remained when the movement became the National Alliance. While less obvious than the bundle of sticks, or fasces, that was the prominent symbol of Mussolini’s National Fascist Party, the tricolor flame is nevertheless a powerful image that ties the current party to its past.

HOW DO ITALIANS FEEL ABOUT IT?

In general, the party’s neo-fascist roots appear to be of more concern abroad than at home. Some historians explain that by noting a certain historical amnesia here and Italians’ general comfort living with the relics of fascism as evidence that Italy never really repudiated the Fascist Party and Mussolini in the same way Germany repudiated National Socialism and Hitler.

While Germany went through a long and painful process reckoning with its past, Italians have in many ways simply turned a willful blindness.

Brothers of Italy, which Meloni has led since 2014, has an underlying and sinister familiarity. The party formed a decade ago to carry forth the spirit and legacy of the extreme right in Italy, which dates back to the Italian Social Movement (MSI), the party that formed in place of the National Fascist Party, which was banned after World War II. Now, just weeks before the 100th anniversary of the March on Rome—the October 1922 event that put Mussolini in power—Italy may have a former MSI activist for its prime minister and a government rooted in fascism. In the wordsof Ignazio La Russa, Meloni’s predecessor as the head of the Brothers of Italy: “We are all heirs of Il Duce.”

Right wingers all over the world are crying out to be fascists lol but Italy is uniquely distrustful of government in general and also suffer from political amnesia and history…. So time will tell how this shakes out for them.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Seems like fascism resonates with a good many people on the board. Wild stuff.

 

[drayer54]

Seems like fascism resonates with a good many people on the board. Wild stuff.

Downtowns across the country weren't boarded up the last election in case my party lost. The recent headlines of politically motivated murder weren't from my side of the aisle. My leader didn't stand up on a red stage flanked by marines to call political opponents fascist.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Downtowns across the country weren't boarded up the last election in case my party lost. The recent headlines of politically motivated murder weren't from my side of the aisle. My leader didn't stand up on a red stage flanked by marines to call political opponents fascist.

Lol with you and tha doctored image….😂😂😂😂😂😂. your party tried to overthrow an election by any and all means. Lol. Get the fuck outta here.

 

[drayer54]

Lol with you and tha doctored image….😂😂😂😂😂😂. your party tried to overthrow an election by any and all means. Lol. Get the fuck outta here.

The speech wasn't doctored. Your party protested in Congress with lies of Russian collusion 4 years prior. Fuck off, fascist.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

If the political party that’s says “we are all heirs of Il Duce” has a platform you can get on board with then you be you. Woof.

 

[drayer54]

I'm over here...

 

[TorontoGold]

 

[Irish#1]

Her Party the Brothers of Italy is a neo fascist party per the history books. She has a Militant far right history as well and has praised Mussolini publically.

How a party of neo-fascist roots won big in Italy

The Brothers of Italy party has won the most votes in Italy’s national election. The party has its roots in the post-World War II neo-fascist Italian Social Movement.

apnews.com

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PARTY’S LOGO?

The party has at the center of its logo the red, white and green flame of the original MSI that remained when the movement became the National Alliance. While less obvious than the bundle of sticks, or fasces, that was the prominent symbol of Mussolini’s National Fascist Party, the tricolor flame is nevertheless a powerful image that ties the current party to its past.

HOW DO ITALIANS FEEL ABOUT IT?

In general, the party’s neo-fascist roots appear to be of more concern abroad than at home. Some historians explain that by noting a certain historical amnesia here and Italians’ general comfort living with the relics of fascism as evidence that Italy never really repudiated the Fascist Party and Mussolini in the same way Germany repudiated National Socialism and Hitler.

While Germany went through a long and painful process reckoning with its past, Italians have in many ways simply turned a willful blindness.

Brothers of Italy, which Meloni has led since 2014, has an underlying and sinister familiarity. The party formed a decade ago to carry forth the spirit and legacy of the extreme right in Italy, which dates back to the Italian Social Movement (MSI), the party that formed in place of the National Fascist Party, which was banned after World War II. Now, just weeks before the 100th anniversary of the March on Rome—the October 1922 event that put Mussolini in power—Italy may have a former MSI activist for its prime minister and a government rooted in fascism. In the wordsof Ignazio La Russa, Meloni’s predecessor as the head of the Brothers of Italy: “We are all heirs of Il Duce.”

Right wingers all over the world are crying out to be fascists lol but Italy is uniquely distrustful of government in general and also suffer from political amnesia and history…. So time will tell how this shakes out for them.

Statements like that right there.................

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Its ok. Maybe people will realize it at some point.

Fascism on the rise: where does it come from, and how to stop it, with a common European response


Is Italy Seeing the Rise of a New Fascism?

 

[Irish#1]

I'm over here...



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Let me set the record straight.
The price of groceries is too damn high. - This is part of Biden's "Let's get healthy America" plan. The less you buy, the less weight you gain.

Your debt belongs to you. - People all over make dumb mistakes and overspend all the time. We have to recognize this as a disease and have more compassion by forgiving their debt.

Borders should not be open. - How would these "undocumented immigrants" get into the U.S. if they couldn't cross anywhere and anytime? Besides, they're supporting our economy. Imagine how much more worse the economy would be if they weren't paying their fair share. All of them are paying their fair share, right?

Stock Market down 7.6 trillion since 1/20/21. - This is just a little self correction from when Trump was in office. The market does this all the time.

Energy is security. - Part of Biden's master plan. If gas prices are too high, people won't buy as much gas, thus our reserves will be healthy for when we really need to buy gas.

Inflation was not transitory. - If Trump would have printed all of that free money and forgave student loans, imagine how the economy would be humming right now.

Afghanistan withdrawal was a preventable disaster. - Incorrect. Prior to the withdrawal Biden was overheard saying, "It's going to be a shit show, with chaos everywhere, but what can I do? My predecessor set a date and I don't have the authority to change the date.

Crime is surging under the party that defunded police. - It's better to have increased crime than have one more police brutality incident. Besides most criminals are just misunderstood and have never had a fair break.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Fascism isn't on the rise. The use of the word by naive twits to describe everything they disagree with is on the rise. It's this era's mindless buzzword tossed about freely by people who don't actually know what real fascism is. They just know it's what the other cool woke kids say.

 

[ACamp1900]

Fascism isn't on the rise. The use of the word by naive twits to describe everything they disagree with is on the rise. It's this era's mindless buzzword tossed about freely by people who don't actually know what real fascism is. They just know it's what the other cool woke kids say.

If someone is a fan of facism, communism, socialism whatever they tend to own it... the fact that the only people throwing around that term are political enemies should tell you something.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

If someone is a fan of facism, communism, socialism whatever they tend to own it... the fact that the only people throwing around that term are political enemies should tell you something.

I know you block me but being aware of history and tendencies in political movements is not being an enemies to the people who are practicing said tendencies again. Nazis werent openly Nazis before Hitler. Italian fascists weren’t openly Italian Fascists before Mussolini. Thes things arise because people allow themselves to become apart of it.

The America first movement in America during the 1930/ was a fascist movement that had many supporters. I guess it’s coincidence that Trump and MAGA. Chose that for their platform just like it’s coincidence that the Brothers of Italy chose the tricolor flame to remind people of the history of that “symbol”. You be you

 

[drayer54]

If someone is a fan of facism, communism, socialism whatever they tend to own it... the fact that the only people throwing around that term are political enemies should tell you something.

I think it started with the “Antifa” movement using fascist tactics to disrupt opponents.

 

[sixstar]

cackalacky, i'm interested in your answer...

yes or no, and why: attempting to enforce vaccine mandates for a non-sterilizing EUA COVID shot was fascist.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

cackalacky, i'm interested in your answer...

yes or no, and why: attempting to enforce vaccine mandates for a non-sterilizing EUA COVID shot was fascist.

No it’s not. Public health is imperative for all citizens. Stopping the spread of deadly diseases Is important. I’d expect the pro life crowd to be on board with this and Be uncontroversial.

This is how fucked ip our world is lol. Vaccines are fascist. Taking away womens decision making capabilities is totally cool. Smgdh

 

[ab2cmiller]

No it’s not. Public health is imperative for all citizens. Stopping the spread of deadly diseases Is important. I’d expect the pro life crowd to be on board with this and Be uncontroversial.

This is how fucked ip our world is lol. Vaccines are fascist. Taking away womens decision making capabilities is totally cool. Smgdh

So glad to hear that the vaccines "stop the spread". LOL

 

[sixstar]

No it’s not. Public health is imperative for all citizens. Stopping the spread of deadly diseases Is important. I’d expect the pro life crowd to be on board with this and Be uncontroversial.

This is how fucked ip our world is lol. Vaccines are fascist. Taking away womens decision making capabilities is totally cool. Smgdh

But humanity has never - in history - developed a sterilizing vaccine for a coronavirus because they mutate too quickly; that's why we don't have a cold or flu vaccine, and it's why they call it a flu "shot" - and why you have to get a new shot every year. So to claim that 1-2 doses would deliver herd immunity was always disingenuous. FOIA'd documents prove that decision makers knew it wouldn't prevent spread as well. They knew the virus would mutate outside the protection of the shot.

Yet, the government mandated the shot. So, if they knew that it wouldn't stop the spread, and still claimed that it did, and suppressed opposition, then mandated it even while it was still an EUA product, how is that not fascist?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

So glad to hear that the vaccines "stop the spread". LOL

Probably would have been more effective had people actually not taken anti vax stances. Been through this already in the covid thread I’m not going back into it. Lol