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[TorontoGold]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weeks before her election, Colorado Rep Lauren Boebert paid off $20,000 in state tax liens on her restaurant. Coincidentally, her campaign just reimbursed her $22,000 for mileage, meaning she drove 38,712 miles despite no advertised events in the spring. <a href="https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE">https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE</a></p>— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1357859630714601483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This isn’t just fraud, this is lazy & obvious fraud. She would have to be driving non-stop 8+ hours a day every weekday for like four months at highway speeds to get that amount of mileage. This new crew of grifters is just embarrassingly bad at their grift.

Tough look for an DC "outsider" who through "hard work" got herself elected.

 

[Legacy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weeks before her election, Colorado Rep Lauren Boebert paid off $20,000 in state tax liens on her restaurant. Coincidentally, her campaign just reimbursed her $22,000 for mileage, meaning she drove 38,712 miles despite no advertised events in the spring. <a href="https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE">https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE</a></p>— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1357859630714601483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This isn’t just fraud, this is lazy & obvious fraud. She would have to be driving non-stop 8+ hours a day every weekday for like four months at highway speeds to get that amount of mileage. This new crew of grifters is just embarrassingly bad at their grift.

Now Boebert and Rashida Tlaib have something in common. Ok, Boebert is not getting death threats. $22,000 is pretty bold and more than twice as much as Tlaib. This will go to the Ethics Committee, where the increasing trend from both sides is to refuse to testify as Gaetz did. The Committee does not have subpoena power.

Ethics Committee finds Rashida Tlaib violations were ‘bad timing’ not ‘ill intent’
The panel ordered her to pay back $10,800 to her campaign. (politico)

Members of Congress Have a New Strategy for Ethics Investigations: Stonewalling
The Office of Congressional Ethics does not have subpoena power, so lawmakers have increasingly decided that not cooperating is the better approach.
(Propublica)

Run for Congress. Pay off your debts. Sleezy.

What happens to candidates that do this but lose is another matter.

Looks like her candidancy raised almost $3 million with $356,794 in cash left over after expenditures.

The local news from Grand Junction gives more information.

Group requests ethics probe of Boebert's travel expenses (Daily Sentinel)

Boebert defended the reimbursements on Thursday.

“My district is one of the largest in the country,” the congresswomen tweeted. “Rather than campaign from my basement, I went to meet my constituents face to face.

“Glad the media wrote a story about the hard work I put into my campaign,” she added. “It’s that same energy I’ve brought to represent those who elected me!”

As a comparison, U.S. Rep. Don Young, a Republican whose district includes the entire state of Alaska, only reimbursed himself $9,965, including airfare, from his campaign account last year, the Post reported.

Using global positioning software and cataloging the 80 public events Boebert had listed on her campaign’s Facebook page — and conservatively assuming she returned to her Silt home after each event — the Post story said she could only have traveled about 17,623 miles between the months of April to November.

And based on the 57.5-cent per mile reimbursement rate set by the Internal Revenue Service, that amounts to more than $10,000.

The mileage is enough to circumnavigate the entire Earth more than one and a half times. A fraud investigation opened in the state of Colorado may hold her more accountable, especially since those were state tax liens. You can't serve in Congress

Status of a Member of the House Who Has Been Indicted for or Convicted of a Felony

Reason for her to refuse to testify before the Ethics Committee if Colorado opens a criminal investigation.

 

[Blazers46]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weeks before her election, Colorado Rep Lauren Boebert paid off $20,000 in state tax liens on her restaurant. Coincidentally, her campaign just reimbursed her $22,000 for mileage, meaning she drove 38,712 miles despite no advertised events in the spring. <a href="https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE">https://t.co/O1EV4ToLiE</a></p>— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1357859630714601483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This isn’t just fraud, this is lazy & obvious fraud. She would have to be driving non-stop 8+ hours a day every weekday for like four months at highway speeds to get that amount of mileage. This new crew of grifters is just embarrassingly bad at their grift.

I am curious what sort of defense she can come up with.

I used to work for a company that paid me $2 per mile. I typically recieved $4,000 per month driving around 500 miles per week to see clients. It was some loophole to pay me more with some sort of tax savings. I also recieved an allowance for office supplies at $200 per week.

Where I am going with this is can she claim more than the 57.5cents/mile government/IRS rate?

 

[NorthDakota]

I am curious what sort of defense she can come up with.

I used to work for a company that paid me $2 per mile. I typically recieved $4,000 per month driving around 500 miles per week to see clients. It was some loophole to pay me more with some sort of tax savings. I also recieved an allowance for office supplies at $200 per week.

Where I am going with this is can she claim more than the 57.5cents/mile government/IRS rate?

I'm assuming she can't claim more. Otherwise every remotely shady congressperson would inflate their salary.

This is great. A month or two into goofy broad's term and we might get rid of her!

 

[Legacy]

Legislator Misconduct Database (govtrack)

This page lists 409 instances of misconduct and alleged misconduct by Members of the United States Congress from 1789 to the present based on public reports of investigations and settlements, felony convictions, and official acts by Congress (and more, see the sidebar). The list is updated as new information becomes available.

The allegations of misconduct listed on this page do not imply guilt in the absence of a conviction or admission of guilt. Exonerations are included because the investigation and exoneration are themselves important events. Conversely, congressional investigations that end without a guilty determination do not imply innocence because congressional investigative bodies are political, not judicial.

The database can be filtered for types of violations. The type Boebert may have committed is under Campaign and Elections. Referrals to the Justice Department and investigation by the FBI on some of these are noted like with Barr, Loeffler, Nunes, Spano, Hayes, etc. If they are able to stall long enough that the legislator is no longer in office, the investigation is ended.

Gaetz's was intimidation of a witness, occasioning a Florida Bar investigationi, and resulted in a letter being sent.

The Colorado News link says her bar lost a quater of a million dollars in 2018 alone? The amount of the “business loan” valued at between $15,000 and $50,000 sounds like one of the ranges of those small business loans from the Coronavirus Federal Small Business Stimulus Aid Programs.

More on that - https://www.uschamber.com/co/start/strategy/federal-small-business-stimulus-aid-programs-guide

 

[Bluto]

Legislator Misconduct Database (govtrack)


The database can be filtered for types of violations. The type Boebert may have committed is under Campaign and Elections. Referrals to the Justice Department and investigation by the FBI on some of these are noted like with Barr, Loeffler, Nunes, Spano, Hayes, etc. If they are able to stall long enough that the legislator is no longer in office, the investigation is ended.

Gaetz's was intimidation of a witness, occasioning a Florida Bar investigationi, and resulted in a letter being sent.

The Colorado News link says her bar lost a quater of a million dollars in 2018 alone? The amount of the “business loan” valued at between $15,000 and $50,000 sounds like one of the ranges of those small business loans from the Coronavirus Federal Small Business Stimulus Aid Programs.

More on that - https://www.uschamber.com/co/start/strategy/federal-small-business-stimulus-aid-programs-guide

You have to be an absolute imbecile to lose that much on a bar in a single year.

 

[ab2cmiller]

You have to be an absolute imbecile to lose that much on a bar in a single year.

Needs to go on Bar Rescue and let that guy yell at her for half an hour.

 

[NorthDakota]

Needs to go on Bar Rescue and let that guy yell at her for half an hour.

Lolol I was just gonna say... get her on Bar Rescue

 

[Bluto]

Lolol I was just gonna say... get her on Bar Rescue

I love that show. If you all aren’t familiar with Cameo you can pay like $150 bucks to have Taffer and other celebs berate/send funny messages to your friends using a message you write. It’s pretty funny.

 

[NorthDakota]

I love that show. If you all aren’t familiar with Cameo you can pay like $150 bucks to have Taffer and other celebs berate/send funny messages to your friends using a message you write. It’s pretty funny.

Me and the boys vibe pretty good with one of the bar owners in town. Might need to do that for his birthday or something.

Funny how bad some bars are managed

 

[drayer54]

Lolol I was just gonna say... get her on Bar Rescue

Political donations going to save a bar in this time is a far better use of money than anything else they could have used it for. With the influx of big dark money and the shady tactics used by many of them- I'm just not that outraged.
Shannon Watts pointing this out has more to do with her pro-gun positions than tossing a small amount of money back to her business.

 

[IrishLax]

You have to be an absolute imbecile to lose that much on a bar in a single year.

Needs to go on Bar Rescue and let that guy yell at her for half an hour.

Lolol I was just gonna say... get her on Bar Rescue

 

[drayer54]

Rep. Cori Bush reminding us that Democrats support riots outside and inside of jail.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“A riot is the language of the unheard.” - Dr. MLK Jr.<br><br>I want to talk to my constituents in the window. Their lives and their rights must be protected.<br><br>My team and I are working to ensure that the urgent needs of people who are incarcerated are not ignored. <a href="https://t.co/wMq8ecyLQ2">https://t.co/wMq8ecyLQ2</a></p>— Cori Bush (@CoriBush) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1358209719639433216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NorthDakota]

Political donations going to save a bar in this time is a far better use of money than anything else they could have used it for. With the influx of big dark money and the shady tactics used by many of them- I'm just not that outraged.
Shannon Watts pointing this out has more to do with her pro-gun positions than tossing a small amount of money back to her business.

Oh I have zero doubts shes under much more intense scrutiny because of her political stances. I have zero doubts other politicians do similarly shady shit.

But....I dont like her. Bad for the Party. So if we can get rid of her, I'm happy

 

[Legacy]

Political donations going to save a bar in this time is a far better use of money than anything else they could have used it for. With the influx of big dark money and the shady tactics used by many of them- I'm just not that outraged.
Shannon Watts pointing this out has more to do with her pro-gun positions than tossing a small amount of money back to her business.

I thought you were against unions and for decreasing dark money in politics.

This is more than pro-guns and more stoking the simmering anger born of economic and cultural changes that has been expertly focused on stereotypes - some local and some national - and loss of control and influence. Rural v urban. Farming, ranching, coal, oil and gas dominates the history of the area. Now meat-packing and Hispanic immigrants in Pueblo. For the first time, both branches of Colorado government and both Senate seats are Democratic, and with a gay Governor, who put pandemic restrictions on businesses. Her business at Shooter's Grill in Rifle, CO was shut down for ignoring those. People refused to wear masks. She had lawyers fight the state. Small businesses who may or may not rely on tourism shut down. Aspen in the District with all the Hollywood stars and the rich is anathema. There's a long history of independence and now two-thirds of the district is urban.

She was invited to the 4th of July at Mount Rushmore, and to the RNC. Calling the Dems socialists who will take away their rights and whose opponent, a 70 yr old County Commission, is a “far left socialist” who supports the “Green New Deal“ and “Medicare for All“, Big Government appeals to a certain significant element in the West. Denver is ruining your lives, etc. Crop and beef prices are low. Water is diminishing and being taken up by cities. The image Trump presents and how he is victimized by the D.C. establishment.

All those give the promise of taking back power and some control. Last stand. Finally, she went door to door and ignored precautions while the Dem was cautious and had social distancing and was not seen as much.

One forgets how recently Colorado was red and the libertarian streak generated Parlor, which was founded in Denver. A nearby state like Kansas, S,D, or Wyoming is controlled by Reps. I imagine we'll hear that MSM is crucifying her and why shouldn't she take donated money for her campaign to keep her business afloat.

 

[NorthDakota]

I thought you were against unions and for decreasing dark money in politics.

This is more than pro-guns and more stoking the simmering anger born of economic and cultural changes that has been expertly focused on stereotypes - some local and some national - and loss of control and influence. Rural v urban. Farming, ranching, coal, oil and gas dominates the history of the area. Now meat-packing and Hispanic immigrants in Pueblo. For the first time, both branches of Colorado government and both Senate seats are Democratic, and with a gay Governor, who put pandemic restrictions on businesses. Her business at Shooter's Grill in Rifle, CO was shut down for ignoring those. People refused to wear masks. She had lawyers fight the state. Small businesses who may or may not rely on tourism shut down. Aspen in the District with all the Hollywood stars and the rich is anathema. There's a long history of independence and now two-thirds of the district is urban.

She was invited to the 4th of July at Mount Rushmore, and to the RNC. Calling the Dems socialists who will take away their rights and whose opponent, a 70 yr old County Commission, is a “far left socialist” who supports the “Green New Deal“ and “Medicare for All“, Big Government appeals to a certain significant element in the West. Denver is ruining your lives, etc. Crop and beef prices are low. Water is diminishing and being taken up by cities. The image Trump presents and how he is victimized by the D.C. establishment.

All those give the promise of taking back power and some control. Last stand. Finally, she went door to door and ignored precautions while the Dem was cautious and had social distancing and was not seen as much.

One forgets how recently Colorado was red and the libertarian streak generated Parlor, which was founded in Denver. A nearby state like Kansas, S,D, or Wyoming is controlled by Reps. I imagine we'll hear that MSM is crucifying her and why shouldn't she take donated money for her campaign to keep her business afloat.

I have no idea what any of this has to do with the lady funneling campaign money into paying taxes for her business.

 

[drayer54]

I have no idea what any of this has to do with the lady funneling campaign money into paying taxes for her business.

Me either.

I am against dark money donations though. Our current system is a joke.

 

[Legacy]

I guees I'm not surprised anymore that someone who did not understand something would post that. To simplify,

Drayer:

Shannon Watts pointing this out has more to do with her pro-gun positions than tossing a small amount of money back to her business.

Legacy:

This is more than pro-guns and more stoking the simmering anger born of economic and cultural changes that has been expertly focused on stereotypes - some local and some national - and loss of control and influence.

Yeah, should have stopped it there whether that helps or not. Are we supposed to know who this Shannon person is? A radio figure or someone? I'll bet LB as a victim will get aa bunch of dark money, give a big finger to Congressional Ethics, and has someone pay for a lawyer and a fine for her. That's the way the Republican establishment works now.

 

[Irish#1]

Maybe she had a lunch special that was a hit and the timing was a coincident.

 

[drayer54]

I guees I'm not surprised anymore that someone who did not understand something would post that. To simplify,

Drayer:

Legacy:

Yeah, should have stopped it there whether that helps or not. Are we supposed to know who this Shannon person is? A radio figure or someone? I'll bet LB as a victim will get aa bunch of dark money, give a big finger to Congressional Ethics, and has someone pay for a lawyer and a fine for her. That's the way the Republican establishment works now.

Shannon Watts is the head of the gun-control lobby. She's lead Karen at Moms Demand Action. She's also not hesitant to stretch the truth when it fits her agenda.

 

[Legacy]

Ok. I see where my background on the 3rd seems to be disconnected from your comment. Too bad she and others won't just check their guns at screening and leave the moral outrage at the door.

FYI - the two biggest towns in the 3rd are Grand Junction (pop 56K) on I-70 between Denver and SLC and Pueblo (pop 160K) in the south on I-25. GJ has the largest-known concentration of oil shale in the world, 90% white. Pueblo is steel and solar energy, which will be largest solar energy farm east of the Rocky Mountains. 44% Hispanic.

As mentioned, Colorado is an all mail-in voting state. Seems to work fine and without objections.

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm very confused. Why are we discussing this lady's district? What does it have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[drayer54]

Ok. I see where my background on the 3rd seems to be disconnected from your comment. Too bad she and others won't just check their guns at screening and leave the moral outrage at the door.

FYI - the two biggest towns in the 3rd are Grand Junction (pop 56K) on I-70 between Denver and SLC and Pueblo (pop 160K) in the south on I-25. GJ has the largest-known concentration of oil shale in the world, 90% white. Pueblo is steel and solar energy, which will be largest solar energy farm east of the Rocky Mountains. 44% Hispanic.

As mentioned, Colorado is an all mail-in voting state. Seems to work fine and without objections.

I don't have an issue with legislators concealed carrying a weapon in the statehouse or US Capitol. Jan 6th seemed to raise some concerns to those who looked away when Rand Paul was being mobbed by liberals and Steve Scalise was shot. Capitol Carry is common in statehouses. Why not?

I don't get the rest of this. Are you implying that mail-in voting worked because she was able to win here? I mean, the broken clock is correct twice a day and that wouldn't seem to mean anything to me.

 

[Legacy]

I don't have an issue with legislators concealed carrying a weapon in the statehouse or US Capitol. Jan 6th seemed to raise some concerns to those who looked away when Rand Paul was being mobbed by liberals and Steve Scalise was shot. Capitol Carry is common in statehouses. Why not restrict that? Due to no limits, the Kentucky Capitol invasion did not restrict loaded semis in their Capitol.

I don't get the rest of this. Are you implying that mail-in voting worked because she was able to win here? I mean, the broken clock is correct twice a day and that wouldn't seem to mean anything to me.

The Rand Paul and Scalise episodes occurred outside the Capitol building. I have no problem with concealed carry there. I can't see Paul unloading on liberals yelling at him. Sad that police protection was required to keep him safe. It's another thing with the legislators in fear for their lives playing baseball justifies concealed carry. That would be a separate issue of self-defense.

I assume she was carrying when they broke in, possessed weapons and were threatening death to some legislators while she had tweeted that the day was "1776". She did not carry to protect her colleagues.

Next, open carry of semis - as long as ammo is not loaded in them but in possession - in state Capitol buildings as in Michigan is another matter. Kentucky does not limit loaded semis in their state Capitol building, which was invaded and occupied by those "patriots" with those loaded semis. We've seen images of those. The uproar that would have occurred if AAs in support of the BLM movement taking over a Capitol with loaded semis would be indicative of an underlying racism.

LB and other legislators don't even have that restriction in our nation's Capitol. Those should be gun-free zones including legislators. I don't understand why that simple restriction - after an Insurrection that would overthrow the results of an election - is opposed.

Yet when a Congressman goes through fencing, by security and refuses to go through a metal detector so they can make a Second Amendment statement is ridiculous and grand-standing.

As for mail-in voting in Colorado, the race in the 3rd increased turnout which in Colorado means mail-in voting for weeks beforehand no matter who won in this or prior elections. The area is about the size of Mississippi and rural. Similarly, I don't understand objections to that.

 

[NorthDakota]

. The uproar that would have occurred if AAs in support of the BLM movement taking over a Capitol with loaded semis would be indicative of an underlying racism.

LB and other legislators don't even have that restriction in our nation's Capitol. Those should be gun-free zones including legislators. I don't understand why that simple restriction - after an Insurrection that would overthrow the results of an election - is opposed.

I hear people make these claims that "oh if black people had guns, you guys would be mad and you are racist!" (I'm assuming that's what a "Ioaded semi" is, what a fucking dumb and awkward way to say "gun"). Black people own guns. They do shit with guns. I have yet to hear any major uproar about black men with guns doing the same sort of stuff white men do with guns.

A black militia group did some stuff at Stone Mountain this summer, don't recall any big uproar. Probably because liberal folks are scared shitless by the idea of criticizing black folks... and conservative folks didn't really care because gun ownership doesn't scare them.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-usa-stone-mountain-idUSKBN24605G

I ain't saying there weren't some racist reactions to that. But it made the rounds on social media and I recall the gun-control crowd's message basically being "Republicans are gonna FLIP when they see this" and I don't think it got nearly the reaction they anticipated. Turns out that goofy Republican uncle might not be racist after all.

Further, the "insurrection" really proved that the Capitol police aren't equipped to protect our 538 senators and Reps. Cack will go to his grave insisting these guys were so close to succeeding...nearly killed the country and all of our politicians.

If the capitol police can't protect a building against a group of LARPers armed with fists and some bear spray, what is gonna happen when a militia rolls in with AK-47s?we should allow our congress to defend themselves and each other with a gun, i really don't see any downside to it.

 

[Legacy]

Stone Mountain is not a state capitol but a Confederate monument. We're talking about legislators carrying arms in the state and national capitols. The Not Fucking Around Group has appeared elsewhere. Stone Mountain occasioned an armed response including the Three Percenters. LB was criticized for appearing on the Colorado capitol steps with some Three Percenters. Declaring that the Insurrection was 1776 demonstrates where she is at.

https://www.ajc.com/news/stone-moun...RLWv1UXSj5dE0Xf_gutgG3g6r_GLM1vH_8ofkiaKC3r8Y

https://www.ajc.com/news/protesters-clash-in-stone-mountain/3ZXGYQQJWFB6VAMZSZR74B4DXE/

I don't think it violates anyone's rights to limit legislators from carrying concealed arms in capitols.

Boebert’s Campaign Embraces Far-Right Militia Movement

More recently Boebert voiced support for the rights of militia members to shut down the Michigan Capitol, telling RealVail.com’s David O. Williams that while she wouldn’t participate in such an activity herself, she didn’t understand why the heavily armed men weren’t allowed on to the floor of the legislature. She reiterated her interpretation of the Second Amendment, saying:

"It is a protection against a tyrannical government, and so I don’t see that we would ever have to use our Second Amendment rights against our government, but that is what it’s for. It’s not for hunting. It’s not for target shooting or for sport.”

 

[NorthDakota]

Stone Mountain is not a state capitol but a Confederate monument. We're talking about legislators carrying arms in the state and national capitols. The Not Fucking Around Group has appeared elsewhere. Stone Mountain occasioned an armed response including the Three Percenters. LB was criticized for appearing on the Colorado capitol steps with some Three Percenters. Declaring that the Insurrection was 1776 demonstrates where she is at.

https://www.ajc.com/news/stone-moun...RLWv1UXSj5dE0Xf_gutgG3g6r_GLM1vH_8ofkiaKC3r8Y

https://www.ajc.com/news/protesters-clash-in-stone-mountain/3ZXGYQQJWFB6VAMZSZR74B4DXE/

I don't think it violates anyone's rights to limit legislators from carrying concealed arms in capitols.

Boebert’s Campaign Embraces Far-Right Militia Movement

No. You explicitly pulled the "if black people were armed there would be outrage" card. There is not any support there that I have seen.

You can try to distinguish it by saying "thats stone mountain, not a state/federal capitol," but I dont find that convincing. The former impacts regular people, the latter impacts the most disliked group of people in the country, elected representatives.

If a thousand black dudes armed to the teeth going into a state park where families and kids are doesn't cause any substantial outrage, then I dont see how it would be different anywhere else. Some might point to stuff from back in the day, I'm aware some gun control legislation was directly related to incidents with black men being armed. But that stuff was decades ago.

I dont see why it matters if the black groups show up, or the 3% crowd shows up. I'm assuming they own the guns legally. It they want to demonstrate, I am not bothered. Am I going to participate? Hell no. But I dont care what they do.

I dont doubt that it is constitutional for Congress to say "no guns here." I dont think anyone here is suggesting its not legal to make that rule. I dont see an issue with a member of congress being armed at work. Even if they are a weirdo fringe looney toon. What's she gonna do? Shoot up the House?

 

[RDU Irish]

I hear people make these claims that "oh if black people had guns, you guys would be mad and you are racist!" (I'm assuming that's what a "Ioaded semi" is, what a fucking dumb and awkward way to say "gun"). Black people own guns. They do shit with guns. I have yet to hear any major uproar about black men with guns doing the same sort of stuff white men do with guns.

A black militia group did some stuff at Stone Mountain this summer, don't recall any big uproar. Probably because liberal folks are scared shitless by the idea of criticizing black folks... and conservative folks didn't really care because gun ownership doesn't scare them.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-usa-stone-mountain-idUSKBN24605G

I ain't saying there weren't some racist reactions to that. But it made the rounds on social media and I recall the gun-control crowd's message basically being "Republicans are gonna FLIP when they see this" and I don't think it got nearly the reaction they anticipated. Turns out that goofy Republican uncle might not be racist after all.

Further, the "insurrection" really proved that the Capitol police aren't equipped to protect our 538 senators and Reps. Cack will go to his grave insisting these guys were so close to succeeding...nearly killed the country and all of our politicians.

If the capitol police can't protect a building against a group of LARPers armed with fists and some bear spray, what is gonna happen when a militia rolls in with AK-47s?we should allow our congress to defend themselves and each other with a gun, i really don't see any downside to it.

INSURRECTION!!!!! Almost as laughable as Russia Collusion!!!! Cack and Legacy really think Buffalo Bill was going to ruling our country or some silly shit. Identifying that dude as anything other than nuts is a bit of an indictment of your own mental state.

 

[Legacy]

There are a number of ways to hold Boebert and others accountable and to follow gun laws.

A nice review:
Members of Congress Have Little Right to Bear Arms on Capitol Hill

Excerpt:

In 1967, Congress specifically prohibited the carrying of accessible weapons in all capitol buildings and grounds. In addition to this federal law, the general criminal law of the District of Columbia applies to the Capitol complex. The District has strict rules on firearms. Among these, all firearms must be registered, some firearms cannot be lawfully registered (e.g., certain semiautomatic firearms deemed “assault weapons”), ammunition magazines cannot exceed a 10-round capacity, the carrying of rifles and shotguns is prohibited, and the carrying of pistols is lawful only with a license to carry issued by the District of Columbia. (As the signs at the Capitol office buildings warn visitors, the District does not recognize carry permits from other states.) Even with a license, the District prohibits the carrying of pistols in many places, including the “U.S. Capitol buildings and grounds” and within 1,000 feet of a demonstration.

The 1967 federal law contained an exception for those “authorized by regulations which shall be promulgated by the Capitol Police Board.” The Capitol Police Board regulations (Appendix J), in turn, provide that, “nothing contained in [the 1967 federal law] shall prohibit any Member of Congress from maintaining firearms within the confines of his office or any Member of Congress or any employee or agent of any Member of Congress from transporting within the Capitol Grounds firearms unloaded and securely wrapped.” When Rep. Buck faced questions about the legality of his rifle, the Capitol Police pointed to this regulation to explain why his possession of the rifle was lawful.

General Requirements for Firearms Registration

These people have no exemption to following local gun laws than anyone else. She posted a video of her loading her Glock given to her by a biker gang. That, too, is illegal. The DC police chief notified her DC gun laws and said:

“That congresswoman… will be subjected to the same penalties for anyone else that’s caught on a District of Columbia street carrying a firearm unlawfully.”

Time to enforce the DC laws.

Also, Virginia is a shall issue state. That should be changed.

 

[drayer54]

There are a number of ways to hold Boebert and others accountable and to follow gun laws.

A nice review:
Members of Congress Have Little Right to Bear Arms on Capitol Hill

Excerpt:

General Requirements for Firearms Registration

These people have no exemption to following local gun laws than anyone else. She posted a video of her loading her Glock given to her by a biker gang. That, too, is illegal. The DC police chief notified her DC gun laws and said:


Time to enforce the DC laws.

Also, Virginia is a shall issue state. That should be changed.

What’s wrong with shall issue? I mean, permitless is best, but shall issue gives everyone a fair chance. I remember before Iowa fixed that in some counties you had to be buddies with the Sheriff to get a permit. What a joke? Hawaii has may-issue but uses it as may-not-issue as it is a total joke of a system. I had a Virginia permit once and it was pretty easy to get with a Military ID.

I see no issue with a member of Congress carrying a weapon. It’s no less needed than the stupid fence Pelosi put up. You never know when some crazed Bernie supporter is going to come at you with a rifle and members of Congress deserve the right to self-defense as much as anyone else.