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1.) Would you work for 0.51 of a dollar? I wouldn't.

2.) Furlough employees

3.) Throw money off-shore.

Furlough days don't really do that much. I work for they county and we had 3 straight years of this. Each year the county was facing around 5 million in financial problems. They saved of furlough days roughly 350,000. That's a waste of an effort from an employee and tax payer.

And really our furloughs were more a pay cut then furloughs.
 

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It won't pass.

Corporations are made up of people. Why don't they have the right to voice their opinion?

I am actually okay with citizens united ruling if they tweak it. Even if it favors the rich.

What I want is full disclosure in who donated? If David Koch donated to politician x I want to know. Politicians should be like NASCAR and disclose all there donors.

Right now China or even some foreign terrorist group can donate to candidates.
 

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If it was .51 of say a billion, 100 million or hell even 1million dollars, why yes I would.

Just so you know with tax brackets your income gets tax as you go. So if we had 49 percent billionaire rate and you made 1 billion and 1 dollars. That one dollar would be taxed at 49 cents and the other billion would be taxed at 39.6 percent or whatever the rate below a billion was.
 

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Congratulations, you've just won the South Carolina Primary!

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It won't pass.

Corporations are made up of people. Why don't they have the right to voice their opinion?

They do. As individuals who make up a corporation. Each one of them has the right to voice his or her opinion, but corporations donating millions of dollars to sway candidates to their favor corrupts elections.
 

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Pelosi: We don't have a spending problemFebruary 10, 2013


Joel Gehrke
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The Washington Examiner

Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said that the United States government doesn’t have “a spending problem,” a position President Obama has reportedly taken in private but avoided saying in public.“We have to make a judgment about what — how do we get growth with jobs?” Pelosi said on Fox News Sunday. “That’s where the revenue comes from . . . So, it isn’t as much a spending problem as it is a priorities [problem], and that is what the budget is, setting priorities.”

This would be funny if she were a media member or someone outside the beltway with no influence. This statement shows what her "priorities" are and is a true portrayal of the modern Democratic party.

As for her jobs comment, get ready for the dictator in chief to push another "stimulus" tonight and that republicans in congress are holding the middle class hostage if they don't support another multi billion dollar spending bill
 

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If you have not seen it or read it yet, I suggest you all read the transcript of Dr. Benjamin Carson's speech he gave in front of the President at the National Prayer Breakfast. Conservatives have been promoting it, but I thought there were some issues that spoke to liberals as well.

Here are some quotes from the speech.

On being PC:
"And that’s when I believe we begin to make progress. and one last thing about political correctness, which I think is a horrible thing, by the way. I’m very, very come — compassionate, and I’m not never out to offend anyone. But pc is dangerous. Because, you see, this country one of the founding principles was freedom of thought and freedom of expression. and it muffles people. It puts a muzzle on them. And at the same time, keeps people from discussing important issues while the fabric of this society is being changed. And we cannot fall for that trick. And what we need to do is start talking about things, talking about things that are important."

On Education:
"I’m very passionate about education because it’s made such a big difference in my life. But here we are at a time in the world, the information age, the age of technology, and yet 30% of people who enter high school in this country do not graduate. 44% of people who start a four-year college program do not finish it in four years. What is that about? Think back to a darker time in this our history. Two hundred years ago when slavery was going on it was illegal to educate a slave, particularly to teach them to read. Why do you think that was? Because when you educate a man, you liberate a man. "

On Personal Accountability:
"But I had something very important, I had a mother who believed in me, and I had a mother who would never allow herself to be a victim no matter what happened. Never made excuses, and she never accepted an excuse from us. And if we ever came up with an excuse, she always said do you have a brain? And if the answer was, yes, then she said then you could have thought your way out of it. It doesn’t matter what John or Susan or mary or anybody else did or said. And it was the most important thing she did for my brother and myself. Because if you don’t accept excuse, pretty soon people stop giving them, and they start looking for solutions. And that is a critical issue when it comes to success. "

On Politicians:
"We need doctors, we needs scientists, engineers. We need all those people involved in government, not just lawyers…I don’t have anything against lawyers, but you know, here’s the thing about lawyers…I’m sorry, but I got to be truthful…got to be truthful – what do lawyers learn in law school? To win, by hook or by crook. You gotta win, so you got all these Democrat lawyers, and you got all these Republican lawyers and their sides want to win. We need to get rid of that. What we need to start thinking about is, how do we solve problems?"

More on Education:
"The Quarterback was the Big Man on Campus. What about the intellectual Superstar? What did they get? A National Honor Society pin? A pat on the head, there, there little Nerd? Nobody cared about them. And is it any wonder that sometimes the smart kids try to hide? They don’t want anybody to know they are smart? This is not helping us or our Nation, so we started giving out scholarships from all backgrounds for superior academic performance and demonstration of humanitarian qualities. Unless you cared about other people, it didn’t matter how smart you were. We’ve got plenty of people like that. We don’t need smart people who don’t care about other people."

On Gov't Debt:
"And our National Debt – $16.5 Trillion dollars – you think that’s not a lot of money? I’ll tell you what! Count one number per second, which you can’t even do because once you get to a thousand it will take you longer than a second, but…one number per second. You know how long it would take you to count to 16 Trillion? 507,000 years – more than a half a million years to get there. We have to deal with this."

On Taxation:
"I see the fairest individual in the Universe, God, and he’s given us a system. It’s called tithe. Now we don’t necessarily have to do it 10% but it’s principle. He didn’t say, if your crops fail, don’t give me any tithes. He didn’t say, if you have a bumper crop, give me triple tithes. So there must be something inherently fair about proportionality. You make $10 Billion dollars you put in a Billion. You make $10 you put in $1 – of course, you gotta get rid of the loopholes, but now now some people say, that’s not fair because it doesn’t hurt the guy who made $10 Billion dollars as much as the guy who made $10. Where does it say you have to hurt the guy. He’s just put in a billion in the pot. We don’t need to hurt him."

On Health Care:
"When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record and a health savings account [HSA], to which money can be contributed, pre-tax from the time you are born, to the time you die. When you die, you can pass it on to your family members so that when you’re 85 years old and you’ve got 6 diseases, you’re not trying to spend up everything. You’re happy to pass it on and nobody is talking about death panels. That’s number one. Also –

For the people who are indigent, who don’t have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money instead of sending it to bureaucracy – let’s put it into HSAs. Now they have some control over their own health care and what do you think they’re going to do? They’re going to learn very quickly how to be responsible. When Mr. Jones gets that diabetic foot ulcer, he’s not going to the Emergency Room and blowing a big chunk of it. He’s going to go to the Clinic. He learns that very quickly – gets the same treatment. In the Emergency Room they send him out. In the Clinic they say, now let’s get your diabetes under control so that you’re not back here in three weeks with another problem. That’s how we begin to solve these kinds of problems. It’s much more complex than that, and I don’t have time to go into it all, but we can do all these things because we are smart people."

Finally:
"But, why is that eagle able to fly, high, forward? Because it has two wings: a left wing and a right wing. Enough said."


Dr. Benjamin Carson - National Prayer Breakfast
 

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And kill all incentive. Why become a billionaire if Uncle Sam confiscates 50% of what you earn?

If the rich and especially corporations don't pay more and soon the middle class will continue to disappear while the divide between the rich and the poor widens to an disastrous gap. We cannot continue to make it harder for the working class to survive while making it easier for the rich to avoid taxation. We are creating our own demise. Like most people, I enjoy accumulating wealth, but I don't want it at the cost of others. I try not to make too many serious comments about this because I honestly have zero confidence we will ever fix it. I feel pretty strongly that our country will eventually implode due to greed, corruption and lethargy.
 

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If the rich and especially corporations don't pay more and soon the middle class will continue to disappear while the divide between the rich and the poor widens to an disastrous gap. We cannot continue to make it harder for the working class to survive while making it easier for the rich to avoid taxation. We are creating our own demise. Like most people, I enjoy accumulating wealth, but I don't want it at the cost of others. I try not to make too many serious comments about this because I honestly have zero confidence we will ever fix it. I feel pretty strongly that our country will eventually implode due to greed, corruption and lethargy.

How about government spends less and balances a budget and reduces our $16 trillion debt? How about reforming all the entitlement programs?

The "rich" aren't avoiding taxation, but 47% of Americans are paying nothing. I think the top 10% earners pay 80% of the federal taxes, but we can all look that up.

This country will not implode due to greed and corruption like the theme of The Dark Knight Rises. If we continue on this path, the nanny state will collapse America as our friends across the pond areseeing now.
 

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How about government spends less and balances a budget and reduces our $16 trillion debt? How about reforming all the entitlement programs?

The "rich" aren't avoiding taxation, but 47% of Americans are paying nothing. I think the top 10% earners pay 80% of the federal taxes, but we can all look that up.

This country will not implode due to greed and corruption like the theme of The Dark Knight Rises. If we continue on this path, the nanny state will collapse America as our friends across the pond areseeing now.

the share of total net worth held by the weathiest 1 percent of American households was 34.5 percent in 2010. The top 10 percent's share was 74.5 percent. They should pay the majority of federal taxes. The 47% you site are barely getting by, while the top 10% don't have a need in the world. Are you suggesting we try to get blood from a stone? There are two ways to raise revenues -- 1) reduce spending on social programs, which will decimate the poor and lower middle class, or 2) raise taxes on those who can afford it.
 

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the share of total net worth held by the weathiest 1 percent of American households was 34.5 percent in 2010. The top 10 percent's share was 74.5 percent. They should pay the majority of federal taxes. The 47% you site are barely getting by, while the top 10% don't have a need in the world. Are you suggesting we try to get blood from a stone? There are two ways to raise revenues -- 1) reduce spending on social programs, which will decimate the poor and lower middle class, or 2) raise taxes on those who can afford it.

It's a shame we don't have you in Congress. You know exactly what the "poor" and "middle class" need, and at the same time have the authroity to tell others what they can "afford." So it's greedy and selfish to keep the majority of what you earn, but not greedy and selfish to expect everything from someone else and bring nothing to the table, no skin off your back.

While all these social programs and entitlement programs might make one feel noble in championing them now, every CBO report (not even produced by Sean Hannity or Karl Rove) in the world tells us they're all unsustainable, as is the $hitshow known as obamacare coming around the corner.

Back to my original point, greed and "the rich" aren't going to destory this country. They're paying all the taxes for it, and I'm nowhere near rich. It's just reality. The nanny state will implode, and it will be ugly. Think those riots in Greece, Italy, and Spain are bad? They're nothing.
 

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They do. As individuals who make up a corporation. Each one of them has the right to voice his or her opinion, but corporations donating millions of dollars to sway candidates to their favor corrupts elections.

Then everyone should have voted for Mitt Romney, because he is already rich. Hence, he can not be corrupted by outsized political donations.

Or maybe it's not as simple as big corporate donations=political corruption.

Here a tax plan I think we can all get behind. Tax political contributions. Take, say 15% off the top of any and all donations to parties and individual politicians.
 
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Here a tax plan I think we can all get behind. Tax political contributions. Take, say 15% off the top of any and all donations to parties and individual politicians.

That'd be unconstitutional. You'd be taxing the first amendment.
 

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I'm looking forward to the State of the Union tonight. The President will give his speech then the Republicans will make @ssclowns of themselves for days afterwards. It makes me laugh and at the same time it makes me a little sad that I was once part of that circus sideshow called the Republican party. Under the big top tonight, King of the Clowns, Mr. Ted Nugent .
 

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I'm looking forward to the State of the Union tonight. The President will give his speech then the Republicans will make @ssclowns of themselves for days afterwards. It makes me laugh and at the same time it makes me a little sad that I was once part of that circus sideshow called the Republican party. Under the big top tonight, King of the Clowns, Mr. Ted Nugent .

Nowadays... they double down and do two rebuttals. An official Republican response, then they bring out the Tea Party dudes and have them do another. That one is done entirely in Interprative Dance. Quite the spectacle, really...
 

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I'm looking forward to the State of the Union tonight. The President will give his speech then the Republicans will make @ssclowns of themselves for days afterwards. It makes me laugh and at the same time it makes me a little sad that I was once part of that circus sideshow called the Republican party. Under the big top tonight, King of the Clowns, Mr. Ted Nugent .

You can cry on your own. Those of us concerned about the future of this country and its financial sustainability will be cringing for other reasons.

I can save you 60-90 minutes with a quick summary here of tonight's speech: we won the election, we're having a lot of panels on gun control, we are eager to make 11-15 million people here legal citizens through executive order, and we need another $800 billion stimulus. Anyone who disagrees with any of this is racist, sexist, hates the poor, and doesn't care about protecting children.

Oh, and there will be no mention of Chris Kyle and his tragic murder.
 

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That'd be unconstitutional. You'd be taxing the first amendment.

Unless it could be argued that a tax does not hinder free speech or political expression. I don't think that's a terribly difficult argument to make. You, as a donator, don't have to shoulder an additional burden; you still donate $100 or $1000 or whatever like you normally would. It would be up to the politician/PAC/party to pay the tax. I'm no lawyer, but I don't see why a political donation tax couldn't happen provided it doesn't adversely affect the donator. It's just that no politician in his right mind would ever propose such a thing.
 

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Nowadays... they double down and do two rebuttals. An official Republican response, then they bring out the Tea Party dudes and have them do another. That one is done entirely in Interprative Dance. Quite the spectacle, really...

Dumb and Dumber
 

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Unless it could be argued that a tax does not hinder free speech or political expression. I don't think that's a terribly difficult argument to make. You, as a donator, don't have to shoulder an additional burden; you still donate $100 or $1000 or whatever like you normally would. It would be up to the politician/PAC/party to pay the tax. I'm no lawyer, but I don't see why a political donation tax couldn't happen provided it doesn't adversely affect the donator. It's just that no politician in his right mind would ever propose such a thing.

I don't think it'd be unconstitutional to tax a campaign, but it'd be quite an overhaul -- you'd basically have to start taxing all tax-exempt corporations.
 

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I don't think it'd be unconstitutional to tax a campaign, but it'd be quite an overhaul -- you'd basically have to start taxing all tax-exempt corporations.

Couldn't you just tax the contributions as income for the party or person running?


Just spitballin' here.
 

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It's a shame we don't have you in Congress. You know exactly what the "poor" and "middle class" need, and at the same time have the authroity to tell others what they can "afford." So it's greedy and selfish to keep the majority of what you earn, but not greedy and selfish to expect everything from someone else and bring nothing to the table, no skin off your back.

While all these social programs and entitlement programs might make one feel noble in championing them now, every CBO report (not even produced by Sean Hannity or Karl Rove) in the world tells us they're all unsustainable, as is the $hitshow known as obamacare coming around the corner.

Back to my original point, greed and "the rich" aren't going to destory this country. They're paying all the taxes for it, and I'm nowhere near rich. It's just reality. The nanny state will implode, and it will be ugly. Think those riots in Greece, Italy, and Spain are bad? They're nothing.

I'm pretty sure you can't post in this thread without personally attacking someone, but since you didn't call me an idiot this time, I will respond. First off, I didn't call anyone greedy and selfish. You, as usual, are putting words in my mouth. I simply said the rich can afford to pay more. I said that because they are rich. I'm not sure I would call poor people greedy and selfish because they don't have the means to pay federal taxes. I understand your point of view, but calling people names because they are in poverty does not strike me as the American way.

I'm not suggesting at all that social programs could not stand to be reformed -- they can. But it is fairly obvious that the GOP is not talking about reforms. They are talking about slashing the budgets of programs like Medicare that many people count on to get medical care. They are trying to dismantle the New Deal and the Great Society in one fell swoop, and they are doing it to try to preserve historically low tax rates and loopholes for the wealthy. Obamacare gave millions access to healthcare that did not have it before. That, my friend, is the American way. It is what makes me proud of my country.

Finally, the people who most vocally support the direction the GOP (particularly the Tea Party) wish to take America are the same people who will be crushed under the heel of these programs if the GOP gets its way. I've never understood how people would fight so hard against their own personal self-interest.
 
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I'm pretty sure you can't post in this thread without personally attacking someone, but since you didn't call me an idiot this time, I will respond. First off, I didn't call anyone greedy and selfish. You, as usual, are putting words in my mouth. I simply said the rich can afford to pay more. I said that because they are rich. I'm not sure I would call poor people greedy and selfish because they don't have the means to pay federal taxes. I understand your point of view, but calling people names because they are in poverty does not strike me as the American way.

I'm not suggesting at all that social programs could not stand to be reformed -- they can. But it is fairly obvious that the GOP is not talking about reforms. They are talking about slashing the budgets of programs like Medicare that many people count on to get medical care. They are trying to dismantle the New Deal and the Great Society in one fell swoop, and they are doing it to try to preserve historically low tax rates and loopholes for the wealthy. Obamacare gave millions access to healthcare that did not have it before. That, my friend, is the American way. It is what makes me proud of my country.

Finally, the people who most vocally support the direction the GOP (particularly the Tea Party) wish to take America are the same people who will be crushed under the heel of these programs if the GOP gets its way. I've never understood how people would fight so hard against their own personal self-interest.[/QUOTE]

I am not going to try to answer for all of these people you reference, but I think a portion of them believe strongly in self-reliance. Does this introduce them to things that might go against their self interest? You bet, but they would rather take satisification in knowing what they get is what they earned, not what was given to them.
 
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