I'm always game to chat with you Bogs...its been fun lobbing some politicall humor around, and even talking more seriously on the topics...
...first off, I was anxious to watch the VP debate...but after this performance, and the understanding that Ryan could be debating someone other than Ole' Joe, this doesn't seem very fun anymore.
Next...I think in the scheme of things this was a preparation thing...I'm not going to go all partisan here in defense of anyone...the simple fact is Ryan has some ideas, those ideas are not Romney's platform, and he didn't simply state "look, here is where we differ, but this is why we work well together, and here is why his platform works". Instead we got Porky effing pig...bdee,bdee,bdee...thats all folks.
Because a politiician finds himself in these murky waters (read lie, deceit, etc) does not mean he is more or less evil than any other...Dude, do i really need to start busting out the Barrack Obama senator clips to prove this point on a contemporary politician. He's done some flopping and misleading...ask the catholic church how good his word is...
Republicans...Dick Nixon turned himself into a pathological liar...Gerry Ford was a typical politician. Ronny Ray gun was probably the one in my lifetime that got it. He wasn't perfect, but he left the house in pretty good Order...Big George was far more skilled than anyone knew going in, Little George...I don't know if he got sucked into the Iraq war, or he asked to be sucked in...I thought he was not ready to deal with 911, but he answered the bell...I guess you'll have to be more specific about Lies...One was truly a bad guy based on my recollection.
You telling me political lies are strictly the domain of republicans...Look DC is basically the SEC, and you are telling me Saban is an angel, an Urbie was the devil...come on man, they are both INSANELY dirty...
A little snippet from the AP:
Ryan, the nation's most controversial budget architect, is often described as the intellectual leader of the House Republican caucus. But Romney's presidential campaign headquarters in Boston seems, for now, to prefer that the 42-year-old father of three talks about camping and milking cows instead of the fiscal proposals that made him a conservative hero.
In my opinion, not only was Nixon a pathological liar, but most of the people in his administration that did not break from the Republican party, or politics in general, were. Ford never intended to be President, and though a consumate politician conducted the business of the office quite honorably. Most youngsters don't realize that he was only President because of a political deal. Nixon's then Vice-President Spiro T Agnew, was convicted of a seperate unrelated crime and forced to resign prior to Nixon. A series of conversations took place and it was negotiated that Nixon would not replace Agnew, so the number three man, Ford would become president.
Carter was too personally honest, and too much of a bureaucrat to be a good President. Though he may have had greater moral fiber than any recent president, he let that southertn democratic "mafia" run the show, as wittnessed by his wholesale purge of his original cabinet. Ronald, well many want to deify him, but there is really no reason. Most don't remember how poorly he showed in '76 and '80 until he turned his campaign over to the professional promoters that ran the show. By then any questions were answered. But my Grandfather saw Reagan as a New Deal Democrat that switched his spots for political gain. My Grandfather, like many others, was insensed at the fact that Reagan's power grew at the anti-comunist hearings with testamony of knowlege of who had been at the meetings with him; and that he didn't pay a bit for his own daliances. Almost everything attributed to Reagan is myth, he never supported the Irish when he could have, and saved lives, too. He wasn't the champion who ended comunism, all he did was force them into a spending war. And above all he was anything but a financial concervative, his budgets proposed spending that was out of control. And he was the first one to tug at the underpinnings of the post depression banking and savings and loan industries, which ended in the 2008 fiasco.
Clinton also helped. His admin got rid of the "tick" rule, which gave many avoricious idiots the ability to lose money they didn't have coming closer to duplicating the situation of the great depression than anyone invisioned. Clinton may have helped, but it took the Republican admins on either side to set the table and let the hogs feed. Clinton and JFK were strange in that they conducted their political business in a straightforward manner, and were so unseemly in their personal lives. Back to Nixon's minions. Rumsfeld and Cheney, who grew to stature under Nixon, were two of the most blackhearted and devious political operatives in the entire American political theater, from inception. If anyone had any doubt about the C Yale student and the disapearing National Guard DD-214/service jacket, employment of these two hangs neon lights all over it . . .
There you have it in my opinion, Truman and Eisenhower, both with some serious personal shortcomings, were both fairly honest presidents, and conducted themselves in the office honorably. Maybe it was the times and circumstances of their service, and then we had a big moral hole util now, with the exception of a little light shown by Carter. I also belive history will show Obama in the light of a Truman. Truman took a big hit in popularity for a lot of unpopular but necessary decisions. Obama will spent his hole time in service fighting to return the country to prosperity from the mess that was left to him. When he took over, every Republican I knew said the same thing: "It doesn't matter anyone elected is going to look bad and will be a one-term president with the mess they were left!"
About voting: Saying there is no voter fraud is a perfect point to make in revealing all Republican efforts to disenfranchise voters. They are doing the same thing in Ohio. And when their restriction is challenged in court, they are claiming all kinds of disturbing untruths. Actually, they are lying.
About magogian: Once again you have to resort to name calling. You are one of three posters than consistenly call people names. But I wonder if you have than name of yours copyrighted. I wanted to use it for a product I am marketing, there is a market out there! It is some weak sauce.
