Politics

[GoIrish41]

Anytime I've seen it suggested that it be eliminated it's followed up with a plan to replace it with something better or at least with protections in place. It's never a straight removal, but people will clip the first part and leave out the rest to fear monger.

Got an example? I can’t think of the last time I heard anything but privatizing SS … I think the last time I heard it was right before the economy went into free fall and everyone would have lost their retirement savings if we would have went down that road. Haven’t heard an alternative since. Just cuts.

 

[NorthDakota]

They kept their word on abortion, so maybe we should trust them. 😳

Roe had plenty of liberal legal detractors. I believe the anti-saint RBG even said it was legally problematic. Dobbs didn't ban anything so I'm not sure I understand the weird fear mongering from the board's liberal folks. Abortion (to some limit) is largely accepted at the moment, and there will be safe havens for it into perpetuity unless the country has some very religious/moral awakening.

Entitlements won't go anywhere. Republicans can (at most) tinker with it on the fringes.

 

[ulukinatme]

Got an example? I can’t think of the last time I heard anything but privatizing SS … I think the last time I heard it was right before the economy went into free fall and everyone would have lost their retirement savings if we would have went down that road. Haven’t heard an alternative since. Just cuts.

Sure. There's others, but the often abused one is Mike Lee from 2010. It gets circulated often by propaganda accounts.



Lee's reiterated a number of times since then that the clip leaves out critical points, like continuing to make SS solvent for everyone that has paid out to it, making sure it doesn't dissolve. It wasn't to end the programs and leave nothing, I believe the idea was to replace them more robust. What he's suggested in the past has been proposals to make it more protected so the government can't use it as a slush fund (Probably privatizing, yes, I haven't looked at the proposal in forever). He's never put a proposal forth to end it during his 12 years as a Senator. In any case, it hasn't happened, it's not happening, ending SS just continues to be a boogeyman that liberals use to scare voters.

 

[GoIrish41]

Sure. There's others, but the often abused one is Mike Lee from 2010. It gets circulated often by propaganda accounts.



Lee's reiterated a number of times since then that the clip leaves out critical points, like continuing to make SS solvent for everyone that has paid out to it, making sure it doesn't dissolve. It wasn't to end the programs and leave nothing, I believe the idea was to replace them more robust. What he's suggested in the past has been proposals to make it more protected so the government can't use it as a slush fund (Probably privatizing, yes, I haven't looked at the proposal in forever). He's never put a proposal forth to end it during his 12 years as a Senator. In any case, it hasn't happened, it's not happening, ending SS just continues to be a boogeyman that liberals use to scare voters.

The real solution to SS solvency is for Congress to replace the money they robbed from it. His solutions dilute the benefit so he and his cohorts can get away with robbery.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Anytime I've seen it suggested that it be eliminated it's followed up with a plan to replace it with something better or at least with protections in place. It's never a straight removal, but people will clip the first part and leave out the rest to fear monger.

Like the ACA?

The new Speaker is lock step with issues that voters have proven they do not like. Bravo, Matt Gaetz.

 

[ulukinatme]

The real solution to SS solvency is for Congress to replace the money they robbed from it. His solutions dilute the benefit so he and his cohorts can get away with robbery.

Sources?

 

[Irish#1]

I started paying attention to this stuff back in the early 70's when I got married and we started a family. SS reform or eliminating has been talked about since at least then. Fifty years later it's still here. What needs to change is congress using the money to supplement other initiatives. As I posted months back, I also think citizens should have more control over their contributions. Keep them from getting it until age 65, but give them the option of letting it sit as is or allow them to put it in some type of investment account (still under SSA administration) that allows them to move it around like a regular investment portfolio, with a provision that the government can't touch the funds.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I started paying attention to this stuff back in the early 70's when I got married and we started a family. SS reform or eliminating has been talked about since at least then. Fifty years later it's still here. What needs to change is congress using the money to supplement other initiatives. As I posted months back, I also think citizens should have more control over their contributions. Keep them from getting it until age 65, but give them the option of letting it sit as is or allow them to put it in some type of investment account (still under SSA administration) that allows them to move it around like a regular investment portfolio, with a provision that the government can't touch the funds.

I understand what you're saying, but we're living in a total different American political arena now. Not only that but the part social media plays, the messaging, how the regular media covers politics and the overall attention span and knowledge of the general public.

We're not where we were 15 years ago let alone 50. The carnival barkers are louder, more effective and there are more of them. When you look at what some of these federal lawmakers are saying, out of their own mouths, about what they want to do to Social Security and Medicare, it is fully within my comprehension why people are taking it seriously. It's a different breed of voter headed into 2024, and the evidence is the different breed of lawmaker showing up in Washington D.C. It was one thing when they were out of touch, but now too many of them are either nuts and or aloof.

My House rep spends more time in DC and fundraising outside of our district and state than he does in the district itself. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't feel that is good representation. If you aren't in session but you're in your townhouse in Alexandria, VA what good are you doing me in IL?

Even as a loser at the ballot box and not want people want, these people have proven time and again that doesn't matter to them. It's all about who is writing them checks and what THEY want. I would rather the government not mess with these programs, and I'd prefer even more if it not be tied to anything having to do with the stock market. Let it sit as is and leave the retirement age at 65.

 

[drayer54]

The alternate system of justice for democrats has given relief to the guy who stalled a vote by pulling a fire alarm and then lied about it.

 

[Irish#1]

I understand what you're saying, but we're living in a total different American political arena now. Not only that but the part social media plays, the messaging, how the regular media covers politics and the overall attention span and knowledge of the general public.

We're not where we were 15 years ago let alone 50. The carnival barkers are louder, more effective and there are more of them. When you look at what some of these federal lawmakers are saying, out of their own mouths, about what they want to do to Social Security and Medicare, it is fully within my comprehension why people are taking it seriously. It's a different breed of voter headed into 2024, and the evidence is the different breed of lawmaker showing up in Washington D.C. It was one thing when they were out of touch, but now too many of them are either nuts and or aloof.

My House rep spends more time in DC and fundraising outside of our district and state than he does in the district itself. Maybe I'm naive, but I don't feel that is good representation. If you aren't in session but you're in your townhouse in Alexandria, VA what good are you doing me in IL?

Even as a loser at the ballot box and not want people want, these people have proven time and again that doesn't matter to them. It's all about who is writing them checks and what THEY want. I would rather the government not mess with these programs, and I'd prefer even more if it not be tied to anything having to do with the stock market. Let it sit as is and leave the retirement age at 65.

It's always been about who's writing them checks. It's never been about what the people want. Just like term limits. Been discussed for decades and nothing changed. We (the ones that were fighting for civil rights, ending Viet Nam and the ecology, called environment today) were a different breed. The more things change, the more they remain the same.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

It's always been about who's writing them checks. It's never been about what the people want. Just like term limits. Been discussed for decades and nothing changed. We (the ones that were fighting for civil rights, ending Viet Nam and the ecology, called environment today) were a different breed. The more things change, the more they remain the same.

Things have changed considerably since Citizens United, and they've gotten considerably worse.

The checks are bigger and the money is darker. There's more of it, too. Term limits are a non starter unless they get the money out first.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[Bishop2b5]

Wasn't it just a day or two ago that I was making fun of the Left for completely dishonest and ridiculous scare tactics such as, "They want to take you back to slaaaaaave days!" LOL

 

[Sea Turtle]

Wasn't it just a day or two ago that I was making fun of the Left for completely dishonest and ridiculous scare tactics such as, "They want to take you back to slaaaaaave days!" LOL

They wanna put you back in CHAINS!

 

[drayer54]

Lol Swalwell. That guy is a joke.

 

[NDMatt91]

 

[drayer54]

Hell no. Why should we offer grace when people were getting right at the time and looking at the facts? It was obvious to many how the virus was being politicized and because some people stuck their head in the partisan sand and ignored it- they now want grace? They wanted people to lose their jobs over this. They wanted people isolated from society over this. Hell no on the grace. People should be voting these people out with a clear memory of the damage they caused these kids.

 

[Irish#1]

Not a surprise, but Pence has dropped out of the race.

 

[BleedingGold]

Pence has been dead weight for months. At some point I felt like he was just in it still to sell his book.

 

[drayer54]

The Democrats' #1 donor last cycle is now officially a convicted criminal.

 

[GoIrish41]

The Democrats' #1 donor last cycle is now officially a convicted criminal.

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The presumptive Republican nominee is facing four criminal indictments for 91 felonies and is almost certainly soon to be convicted. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Irish#1]

The presumptive Republican nominee is facing four criminal indictments for 91 felonies and is almost certainly soon to be convicted. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Ah yes, the old tit for tat, but I seriously doubt that Trump donates to his own campaigns. He always wants to use someone else's money.

 

[GoIrish41]

Ah yes, the old tit for tat, but I seriously doubt that Trump donates to his own campaigns. He always wants to use someone else's money.

Big news that a donor was convicted, but no biggie that the candidate will also be convicted. I never voted for a donor in my life. How ‘bout you? Republicans are going to give Trump the nomination by a landslide … almost like they really don’t care about convictions at all — just cheap political shots. Not one democrat I’ve seen is calling Bankman-Fried’s conviction politically motivated. They all seem pretty happy that he’ll rot in prison. 😉

 

[drayer54]

Not tit for tat. Big news that a donor was convicted, but no biggie that the candidate will also be convicted. I never voted for a donor in my life. How ‘bout you? Republicans are going to give Trump the nomination by a landslide … almost like they really don’t care about convictions at all — just cheap political shots. 😉

Most people don't care about the indictments. All but the documents in Florida look like politicized attacks from a weaponized system of Justice. Not sure how anyone could take the NY AG seriously, given her campaign to prosecute him. The Georgia charges look silly, but the right Fulton County jury could convict him from minute one. The docs were the ones that were sloppy and have the potential to sting. But if you think the system is rigged, this only plays into the beliefs. I also don't think most people follow day-to-day events in politics.

 

[GoIrish41]

Most people don't care about the indictments. All but the documents in Florida look like politicized attacks from a weaponized system of Justice. Not sure how anyone could take the NY AG seriously, given her campaign to prosecute him. The Georgia charges look silly, but the right Fulton County jury could convict him from minute one. The docs were the ones that were sloppy and have the potential to sting. But if you think the system is rigged, this only plays into the beliefs. I also don't think most people follow day-to-day events in politics.

“Most people” are dumb asses!

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Pence has been dead weight for months. At some point I felt like he was just in it still to sell his book.

At some point you have to take the hint that MAGA wasnt going to vote for him after he failed to steal the election for Trump on Jan 6.

 

[ab2cmiller]

At some point you have to take the hint that MAGA wasnt going to vote for him after he failed to steal the election for Trump on Jan 6.

I'm sure he knew that from the start. I'm assuming his hope was to piece together substantial portions of the non-MAGA crowd to make him competitive. Was probably not a very realistic thought.

 

[GATTACA!]

Most people don't care about the indictments. All but the documents in Florida look like politicized attacks from a weaponized system of Justice. Not sure how anyone could take the NY AG seriously, given her campaign to prosecute him. The Georgia charges look silly, but the right Fulton County jury could convict him from minute one. The docs were the ones that were sloppy and have the potential to sting. But if you think the system is rigged, this only plays into the beliefs. I also don't think most people follow day-to-day events in politics.

If you looked at the facts in the NY case and don’t think those charges are justified

 

[drayer54]

If you looked at the facts in the NY case and don’t think those charges are justified

I think they are looking to throw knives there where they can. I also think it only helps him politically. To be clear, I don't want Trump to win anything unless we get stuck with him vs. Biden, in which case I would vote against Biden. NY AG ran on prosecuting him and the charges didn't cost him any votes.

I'm sure he knew that from the start. I'm assuming his hope was to piece together substantial portions of the non-MAGA crowd to make him competitive. Was probably not a very realistic thought.

That block isn't looking for someone like him. Seems like Haley/DeSantis is where that block will split.

 

[GATTACA!]

I think they are looking to throw knives there where they can. I also think it only helps him politically. To be clear, I don't want Trump to win anything unless we get stuck with him vs. Biden, in which case I would vote against Biden. NY AG ran on prosecuting him and the charges didn't cost him any votes.

That block isn't looking for someone like him. Seems like Haley/DeSantis is where that block will split.