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[ab2cmiller]

What the fuck is this then?

LOL. Looking at his post I guess you took that part literally. That whole paragraph he was speaking from a hypothetical sarcastic perspective. None of that was true about Bishop himself. If you just quickly read his post I can see the confusion.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

LOL. Looking at his post I guess you took that part literally. That whole paragraph he was speaking from a hypothetical sarcastic perspective. None of that was true about Bishop himself. If you just quickly read his post I can see the confusion.

Bullshit. He’s talked repeatedly about his ‘59 Les Paul, but I’m supposed to believe that’s the only true part of what’s highlighted?

 

[Bishop2b5]

What the fuck is this then?

Here's another example of you either being willfully ignorant or just plain dishonest. You take a line from a post and use it out of context to change its meaning. The post you refer to was from a discussion between me and Toronto about Biden's attempt to pay off billions in student debt. Toronto argued it was good for the economy. I replied that if that was so, why not pay off everyone's debt? I then said, CLEARLY facetiously and in the third person:

I spent too much on vacations to Hawaii and Europe, bought a Ferrari I couldn't afford, and spent too much on an actual '59 Les Paul. Now I can't dig myself out of debt and have no disposable income. Pay my credit cards off, Toronto! It would improve the debt servicing numbers and I'd then be able to afford new stuff and that would be good for the economy. No? You aren't willing to pay for my bad financial decisions and my debt isn't your responsibility? Well then, now you understand where the rest of us are coming from regarding paying someone else's student loans.

See how dishonest you now look for trying to take something out of context and change its meaning. This is why I do what I do to you. See, I'm not an asshole for pointing this stuff out. You're just too stupid to stop doing it. Use your brain. Stop saying dishonest stupid stuff. As the man said, life's hard. It's harder when you're stupid.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Here's another example of you either being willfully ignorant or just plain dishonest. You take a line from a post and use it out of context to change its meaning. The post you refer to was from a discussion between me and Toronto about Biden's attempt to pay off billions in student debt. Toronto argued it was good for the economy. I replied that if that was so, why not pay off everyone's debt? I then said, CLEARLY facetiously and in the third person:



See how dishonest you now look for trying to take something out of context and change its meaning. This is why I do what I do to you. See, I'm not an asshole for pointing this stuff out. You're just too stupid to stop doing it. Use your brain. Stop saying dishonest stupid stuff. As the man said, life's hard. It's harder when you're stupid.

So I guess you don’t have a ‘59 Les Paul either. I bet you’re a podiatrist too. You’re a liar and I caught you.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Bullshit. He’s talked repeatedly about his ‘59 Les Paul, but I’m supposed to believe that’s the only true part of what’s highlighted?

Jesus F Christ! Again? I don't have a '59 Les Paul. Those things cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not a million or more. I have a REPLICA of one (so do a couple of other people in this forum) and I certainly WISH I had one, but I've never claimed to have one. You have seriously got to be the dumbest person on the Internet. Seriously. Do you not do any research before you post stuff? Do you not think? This is exactly why you get made fun of so often. For Pete's sake, please start thinking before you shoot your mouth off.

 

[ab2cmiller]

From a search…. Bishop never said he owned an actual 59 Les Paul. He has some kind of reproduction. Not sure how all of that works.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Nah. S&D is right. You are a windbag asshole and a giant douche.

Awww, you left out racist homophobe bigoted white supremacist.

I'll give you the same advise as Seek: if you don't like getting lit up on a daily basis, stop saying dishonest stupid stuff. It's really that simple.

 

[Bishop2b5]

 

[ab2cmiller]

I unignored SnD for about a month now. I think it’s time to put him back on the list. Between Bishop and SnD, there is an asshole. But it’s not Bishop.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Jesus F Christ! Again? I don't have a '59 Les Paul. Those things cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not a million or more. I have a REPLICA of one (so do a couple of other people in this forum) and I certainly WISH I had one, but I've never claimed to have one. You have seriously got to be the dumbest person on the Internet. Seriously. You don't not do any research before you post stuff? Do you not think? This is exactly why you get made fun of so often. For Pete's sake, please start thinking before you shoot your mouth off.

You bought a stolen flametop that belonged to Slash. It disappeared during the St. Louis riot concert of ‘91. Keep it up.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

I unignored SnD for about a month now. I think it’s time to put him back on the list. Between Bishop and SnD, there is an asshole. But it’s not Bishop.

Why would I care if Tom Loy ignores me?

 

[GoIrish41]

Awww, you left out racist homophobe bigoted white supremacist.

I'll give you the same advise as Seek: if you don't like getting lit up on a daily basis, stop saying dishonest stupid stuff. It's really that simple.

Your unsolicited advice about, well, everything, is perhaps your most dickish trait besides your bigotry and misplaced confidence in your own intelligence.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Sounds like this kid was going to go off if he wasn't caught. Still don't know the magnitude of his actions.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/27/politics/doj-court-teixeira-detention-pentagon-leak/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/28/politics/pentagon-leaker-red-flags-fresh-questions-top-secret-vetting/index.html

I think they read the room wrong lol

 

[Greenore]

Jesus F Christ! Again? I don't have a '59 Les Paul. Those things cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not a million or more. I have a REPLICA of one (so do a couple of other people in this forum) and I certainly WISH I had one, but I've never claimed to have one. You have seriously got to be the dumbest person on the Internet. Seriously. You don't not do any research before you post stuff? Do you not think? This is exactly why you get made fun of so often. For Pete's sake, please start thinking before you shoot your mouth off.

So what you're saying (in my best Kathy Newman voice) is that you DON'T have a '59 Gibson Les Paul!

Wish you did Brother!

FTR, I don't have one either nor do I drive a Ferrari. If you have either (or both), good for you! You probably worked hard to get them.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

What kind of patriotic blue blooded American buys Italian sports cars. Smgdfh

 

[ulukinatme]

First please note the tweet text is commentary not a quote. Do you guys not know how tweets work? I’ve watched this video multiple times and also done digging on my own. In any case her child was suicidal over what appears to be wanting to transition. This is very much an issue with gender dysphoria nits well known. For her to not even be willing to entertain “anything” to help And be entirely against any healthcare solutions … it could have ended her child’s life. She explicitly said this and was quite clearly willing to uphold her personal beliefs over her child’s well-being. Those are her words from her mouth.

There are many options that don’t involve surgery or fully transitioning and she explicitly was not going to give in to her child’s desires blaming her suicidal thoughts instead of understanding she was suicidal because she was suffering with dysphoria. Her personal beliefs on protecting her child could very likely have hastened her successful attempts.

I’d be interested in hearing from the daughter specifically but there isn’t anything out there on that.

But what might be even more horrendous is that knowing this woman went through this with her child and she is still intent on making these decisions for other parents and kids struggling with the same thing taking the decision out of their and their doctors hands is monstrous. Fuck her.

Be real, they clearly wrote that Tweet with the intent to mislead and anger people. It led to Seekins-Crowe getting mobbed with a number of death threats and vile comments on her IG from what I saw, and I guess some posts there had to be taken down too. Like I said, I'd be interested to find the full speech because I'm betting Seekins-Crowe probably had more to expand on how her daughter is today knowing what we know now and they cut the video short to purposefully stir the pot. Parents shouldn't be giving in to the delusional whims of teens and younger. Transitioning isn't a magic bullet that cures depression, dysphoria, and other mental illnesses. For some the pain only gets worse. There are a lot of people each year with regrets that want to detransition and it isn't really possible. Once the damage is done it's done. Protecting your kids means making smart decisions they're incapable of making at times and not bowing to their every wish.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Be real, they clearly wrote that Tweet with the intent to mislead and anger people. It led to Seekins-Crowe getting mobbed with a number of death threats and vile comments on her IG from what I saw, and I guess some posts there had to be taken down too. Like I said, I'd be interested to find the full speech because I'm betting Seekins-Crowe probably had more to expand on how her daughter is today knowing what we know now and they cut the video short to purposefully stir the pot. Parents shouldn't be giving in to the delusional whims of teens and younger. Transitioning isn't a magic bullet that cures depression, dysphoria, and other mental illnesses. For some the pain only gets worse. There are a lot of people each year with regrets that want to detransition and it isn't really possible. Once the damage is done it's done. Protecting your kids means making smart decisions they're incapable of making at times and not bowing to their every wish.

Did you just make this up?

How common is transgender treatment regret, detransitioning?

Lawmakers often cite concerns about young people regretting irreversible body-altering transgender medical treatment, but studies suggest regret is uncommon

abcnews.go.com

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Did you just make this up?

How common is transgender treatment regret, detransitioning?

Lawmakers often cite concerns about young people regretting irreversible body-altering transgender medical treatment, but studies suggest regret is uncommon

abcnews.go.com

Yes.

 

[ulukinatme]

Did you just make this up?

How common is transgender treatment regret, detransitioning?

Lawmakers often cite concerns about young people regretting irreversible body-altering transgender medical treatment, but studies suggest regret is uncommon

abcnews.go.com

Yes.

No. I've seen the Dutch study. Reuters did a good write up that criticizes it and asks a lot of questions. Much of that study was done with adults and strictly in Europe. There's also other factors that may be affecting the numbers. They talked about the stigma of detransitioning, blowback from allies and doctors needing to protect themselves, and a number of outside influences that prevent an accurate study from being done. They have a collection of various studies being done, and one from Children’s Mercy Kansas City, Uniformed Services University, and the U.S. Department of Defense showed that 25% of adolescents regretted beginning transition and reversed course.

Here's a story from the article:

Clinicians at the university warned families that their children were suicidal “because they are born in the wrong bodies,” Lazzara’s mother, Lisa Lind, told Reuters. “I thought, ‘I’ll do whatever it takes, so she doesn’t kill herself.’”


Lazzara started taking testosterone in the fall of 2012, at age 16. She was still binding her breasts – so tightly, she said, that her ribs deformed. After a man groped her on the street, she decided to have breast-removal surgery, tapping the college fund her grandmother had left for her to cover the nearly $10,000 cost.

Initially, Lazzara was happy with her transition. She liked the changes from taking testosterone – the redistribution of fat away from her hips, the lower voice, the facial hair – and she was spared the sexist cat-calling that her female friends endured. “I felt like I was growing into something I wanted to be,” Lazzara said.

But her mental health continued to deteriorate. She attempted suicide twice more, at ages 17 and 20, landing in the hospital both times. Her depression worsened after a friend sexually abused her. She became dependent on prescription anti-anxiety medication and developed a severe eating disorder.

During the summer of 2020, Lazzara was spiraling. She realized she no longer believed in her gender identity, but “I didn’t see a way forward.”

That October, Lazzara was working as a janitor in an office building in the Seattle area when she caught her reflection in a bathroom mirror. For the first time, she said, she saw herself as a woman. “I had not allowed myself to have that thought before,” she said. It was shocking but also clarifying, she said, and “a peaceful feeling came over me.”

Then she began to ponder her sexuality. In middle school, she had crushes on girls. After her transition, she identified as a transgender man who was bisexual. Now, she realized, she was a lesbian.

Lazzara stopped taking testosterone. She later asked her doctor in the Seattle area for advice, but he seemed unsure about how to proceed. She found a new doctor and recently sought laser hair removal on her face.

Lazzara told Reuters she now realizes that gender treatment was not appropriate for her and that it took a toll on her physical and mental health. “I do wish my doctors had said to me, ‘It’s OK to feel disconnected from your body. It’s OK to like girls. It’s OK to be gender non-conforming.’”

Her original gender-care providers at the University of Minnesota declined to comment. In a statement, the university’s medical school said “gender-affirming care involves a carefully thought-out care plan between a patient and their multidisciplinary team of providers.”

Lazzara recently found the before-and-after pictures of her torso on the website of the surgeon who performed her mastectomy in 2013. She had given him permission to post the images because he was proud of the outcome. Seeing her body as it once was stunned her. “I saw my breasts before I got them removed. That’s my 16-year-old body,” she said. “I had no ability at that age to be in my own body in my own way.”

Since revealing she detransitioned, Lazzara said, many in the online transgender community who embraced her a decade ago have distanced themselves from her, and she has received hateful messages on social media. Now, when she sees someone come out online as detransitioned, she sends them a private message of support. “I know how lonely and alienating it can be,” she said.

There are a number of stories in the article, many include people who were abused at a young age. That harm often has a profound effect on one's mental psyche as they try and understand their own sexuality and identity as they reach puberty.

Here's the article:

Why detransitioners are crucial to the science of gender care

Understanding why people quit treatment is key to improving it, especially for minors seeking to transition, experts say. Researchers rarely touch the subject.

www.reuters.com

 

[Bishop2b5]

Yeah, a trans woman is really a woman. Even those spewing this nonsense don't actually believe it deep down. They know it's BS.

 

[GoIrish41]

Yeah, a trans woman is really a woman. Even those spewing this nonsense don't actually believe it deep down. They know it's BS.

You really think about this stuff a lot more than the average person. Oddly so! I, for one, will not be surprised when you finally swallow your self loathing and put your name in the transgender portal because methinks you do protest too much.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

No. I've seen the Dutch study. Reuters did a good write up that criticizes it and asks a lot of questions. Much of that study was done with adults and strictly in Europe. There's also other factors that may be affecting the numbers. They talked about the stigma of detransitioning, blowback from allies and doctors needing to protect themselves, and a number of outside influences that prevent an accurate study from being done. They have a collection of various studies being done, and one from Children’s Mercy Kansas City, Uniformed Services University, and the U.S. Department of Defense showed that 25% of adolescents regretted beginning transition and reversed course.

Here's a story from the article:



There are a number of stories in the article, many include people who were abused at a young age. That harm often has a profound effect on one's mental psyche as they try and understand their own sexuality and identity as they reach puberty.

Here's the article:

Why detransitioners are crucial to the science of gender care

Understanding why people quit treatment is key to improving it, especially for minors seeking to transition, experts say. Researchers rarely touch the subject.

www.reuters.com

This is all fine. There is never a one stop shop solution. 25% of transitions regret it? Ok I understand that I have plenty of regrets in my life. How about the other 75%? Which is why parents and kids need options and NOT having these options completely restricted by legislators. Why can’t you see that’s what is happening? These options are being taken away as if they are some bogey man affecting conservative lives vicariously. These parents and kids don’t affect you or anyone else at all. Why is their decisions needing to be subject to 100% restriction? They are not a danger to anyone. It’s dumb.

 

[Bishop2b5]

You really think about this stuff a lot more than the average person. Oddly so! I, for one, will not be surprised when you finally swallow your self loathing and put your name in the transgender portal because methinks you do protest too much.

That is just savage. I mean it. I have no comeback to such deep insight and brilliance. Best retort I've heard since 7th grade. You got me.

Now, you again dodge the issue and resort to childish attempts to insult instead of addressing the point. We all know why, but do you not feel at least a bit embarrassed by the fact that you can't discuss a serious issue on its merits, its facts, and with reason and critical thinking instead of dodging and obfuscating and resorting to ad hominem attacks? The fact is, the person in the video clearly KNOWS that a trans woman isn't really a woman, can't have a miscarriage, and is caught like a deer in the headlights when put on the spot about it. YOU know that a person born a man can't become a real woman by just declaring himself to be one. At least the person in the video had the sense to stop claiming the naked emperor's clothes were beautiful. Time for you to do the same and stop this silly defense of an indefensible lie.

 

[drayer54]

This is all fine. There is never a one stop shop solution. 25% of transitions regret it? Ok I understand that I have plenty of regrets in my life. How about the other 75%? Which is why parents and kids need options and NOT having these options completely restricted by legislators. Why can’t you see that’s what is happening? These options are being taken away as if they are some bogey man affecting conservative lives vicariously. These parents and kids don’t affect you or anyone else at all. Why is their decisions needing to be subject to 100% restriction? They are not a danger to anyone. It’s dumb.

These kids just want to light up a Marlboro, drink a PBR, and buy an AR-15, why do you guys gotta get in the way of that?!

Here’s a notorious MAGA man weighing in-

 

[Irish#1]

Dude explained it better than anyone else has. Hard to refute him. I'm looking forward to reading what our lefties think about it.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

These kids just want to light up a Marlboro, drink a PBR, and buy an AR-15, why do you guys gotta get in the way of that?!

Here’s a notorious MAGA man weighing in-

I saw this a while back and thought it was great. I have always enjoyed watching Bill Maher and his way of injecting humor into serious topics. Since I’m a science guy, I thought the trends he showed were interesting from many angles but there is one that I thought of in particular. Since human beings are animals (mammals to be specific), their main purpose for sex is to procreate the species. This is the underlying drive for all living creatures. What does the trend that Maher shows in his graph say about that and the future for our species?

 

[sixstar]

some excellent points made in this article:

there is no "good party" nor any principle. there is just power

an exploration of "shiny hat censorship" and why you never get "better/smarter/more honorable guys this time"

boriquagato.substack.com

a few excerpts:

“it is easy to become that which you purport to hate.

those who conquer kingdoms by “speaking the truth to power” are, once enthroned, often those least likely to allow truth to be spoken to (or even nearby to) them. after all, who better to understand the dangers posed to rulers by such truths than those who just used them to supplant the antecedent sovereign?

shiny hat censorship is always the name of the game.

once you capture the crown, you want to keep it and suddenly the idea of people speaking against the king looks very different than it did while you were in opposition.

there is one fundamental truth that drives the 2 party political process and it is this:

“where you stand depends upon where you sit.”

the party in power likes the status quo. the party that controls the cultural institutions does not want to see them change and will wield them like a broadsword to cut down their foes and deny them purchase or franchise.

it’s all about who has the end with the handle.

those in power will favor censorship and suppression and those seeking it will ape principle and attack delimitation right up until the moment control shifts at which point their positions will rapidly follow.

there is no principle.

there are only the rules of power.

getting it and keeping it.

perhaps you can trust people, but you cannot trust power.

and so the wheel spun. the “vanished liberal” reappeared loaded with idealism, ideas, and street cred and took charge. the cultural institutions, media, and government agencies all flowed the other way and then became progressive provinces.

the US middle gets ping-ponged back and forth every 20-30 years because it actually does not change much and values ideas like free speech and free people and being allowed to live your life without being constantly molested by some busybody or other.

keep this in mind as we gear up for another round of “selecting the lesser of presidential evils.”

they’ll tell you they’re swell folks and that your values are their values, but it’s almost never true and would not wind up mattering if it were.

even if they start as “good guys with good ideas” none can stay that way.

mostly, they don’t even try and seek to only make the case that “the other guy is so bad that you must pick me!”

and that is a serious trashcan of a political system.

 

[IrishLax]

some excellent points made in this article:

there is no "good party" nor any principle. there is just power

an exploration of "shiny hat censorship" and why you never get "better/smarter/more honorable guys this time"

boriquagato.substack.com

a few excerpts:

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Thanks for sharing that article, I generally agree with the premise that this is all obviously a dumb shell game about power. It's become very easy to traffic in outrage for engagement/money and that has driven a LOT of what we see from both parties. It's also why the share of independents in this country has grown from 30% to 50% in a matter of years. The meme is a little eye-rolly tho.

Anyways... growing up, I legitimately felt I was being represented by Republicans. It seemed that their decision were rooted in fact-based, stability-oriented policies that prioritized small government and lower taxes. When I got to college, I legitimately respected Obama, McCain, and even Romney... all seemed to authentically want the best thing for the country but with different visions of what that was.

2016 was a loathsome, corrupt career politician against a loathsome, corrupt celebrity. There were no choices I would even consider "acceptable." From that point onward I have felt like there are no candidates or parties that care about normal people. The far Left leans into authoritarian, suppressive social policies because it's the only way to force the loony parts of their ideology on people who don't want it. Most normal people don't believe that men and women are equal in sports or that you should have hundreds of billions in reparations for black people in San Francisco when the state never even had slavery... if you can't win with the merits of your absurd ideas, then you have to construct a system where you aren't allowed to oppose the ideas. Hence, "racism" and "sexism" and the "-phobias" used to attack people. But the far Right isn't actually better when you look at the fact that people aren't shifting to the Right as they age anymore because they don't see policies that help them and don't see candidates that they want to associate with. They also have zero appeal among Gen Z, which has been well-documented. Do they care? In the short term, no. Because it's all about $$ and power and it's easier to get both through outrage + gerrymandering than it is to try to reinvent the party. Why would a politician care about broad popular appeal when all you have to do is draw lines around a constituency that will reliably elect you with narrow appeal to extremists?

And none of this is going to change as long as we have closed primaries, the electoral college, and no form of runoff system.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Thanks for sharing that article, I generally agree with the premise that this is all obviously a dumb shell game about power. It's become very easy to traffic in outrage for engagement/money and that has driven a LOT of what we see from both parties. It's also why the share of independents in this country has grown from 30% to 50% in a matter of years. The meme is a little eye-rolly tho.

Anyways... growing up, I legitimately felt I was being represented by Republicans. It seemed that their decision were rooted in fact-based, stability-oriented policies that prioritized small government and lower taxes. When I got to college, I legitimately respected Obama, McCain, and even Romney... all seemed to authentically want the best thing for the country but with different visions of what that was.

2016 was a loathsome, corrupt career politician against a loathsome, corrupt celebrity. There were no choices I would even consider "acceptable." From that point onward I have felt like there are no candidates or parties that care about normal people. The far Left leans into authoritarian, suppressive social policies because it's the only way to force the loony parts of their ideology on people who don't want it. Most normal people don't believe that men and women are equal in sports or that you should have hundreds of billions in reparations for black people in San Francisco when the state never even had slavery... if you can't win with the merits of your absurd ideas, then you have to construct a system where you aren't allowed to oppose the ideas. Hence, "racism" and "sexism" and the "-phobias" used to attack people. But the far Right isn't actually better when you look at the fact that people aren't shifting to the Right as they age anymore because they don't see policies that help them and don't see candidates that they want to associate with. They also have zero appeal among Gen Z, which has been well-documented. Do they care? In the short term, no. Because it's all about $$ and power and it's easier to get both through outrage + gerrymandering than it is to try to reinvent the party. Why would a politician care about broad popular appeal when all you have to do is draw lines around a constituency that will reliably elect you with narrow appeal to extremists?

And none of this is going to change as long as we have closed primaries, the electoral college, and no form of runoff system.

Agreed 100%. But as you can tell by the political threads, folks on both sides live & die w/ their “team”. Both sides cut off their collective noses to spite their face when it comes to the issues of the day.

Look at our choices so far in 2024:

A senile, career politician seemingly in a losing battle w/ dementia who is never accountable for all the lies he’s told about his past & was elected in large part b/c he wasn’t Trump. He also has a VP who may have taken the throne away from Dan Quayle as dumbest VP in our lifetime.

An anti-vaxxer from a political blueblood family where they are no strangers to challenging their party’s incumbent POTUS.

A bloated, narcissist reality show blowhard who puts himself first in any & all situations and seems to be the moral equivalent to Bill Clinton but w/ much less civility & was elected in large part b/c he wasn’t Hillary. And who the hell is crazy enough to be his running mate should he get the nomination (he will)?

reportedly others (Marianne Williamson? Desantis? Asa Hutchinson? Nikki Haley?) will get in the ring but if chalk holds up, it’s a repeat of 2020 and I don’t see either candidate being good for America.

 

[ndfanatic78]

He has a Y chromosome.

You know there is a difference between gender and sex?