Politics

[irishpat183]

Obama made one comment about his bowling and the special Olympics. It was a dumb thing to say.

And "to each his own" also gives me the right to gently say, "I would prefer that you didn't say things like that." That's all I did, no?

Absolutely.

 

[irishpat183]

The election was four years ago. You can forgive him for the stuff he said about Bush.

ZING!!

Lol. I can even laugh at that one.

[Ilets see if I know any good black jokes...[/I]

 

[Walter White]

C'mon man. Dems. are willing to give Bush credit for all the stuff that happened during his administration. His economny was in freefall because of two wars unpaid for and the collapse of the housing market when nobody was watching the store. Give your president some love for cleaning up Bush's mess. If this recovery happened under him the GOP's hands would hurt from high-fiving one another.

The stock market will always recover no matter who is in the oval office. I believe though that because of the banks bailouts and to some extent the auto-bailouts, the growth was slowed because of hyper-inflation of the dollar.

I truly believe that without those bailouts, we would have crashed in 2008 and been about where we are now in 2009.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

No it's not... It's your way.

What if it is someone's way to call all of ND's black players niggers?

 

[irishpat183]

What if it is someone's way to call all of ND's black players niggers?

You don't get it... Doesn't mean it's not ignorant to others.


Point is, free speech covers the good, bad, and ugly.

 

[WaveDomer]

The stock market will always recover no matter who is in the oval office. I believe though that because of the banks bailouts and to some extent the auto-bailouts, the growth was slowed because of hyper-inflation of the dollar.

I truly believe that without those bailouts, we would have crashed in 2008 and been about where we are now in 2009.

To be fair, there hasn't been hyper-inflation like a lot of people have feared. Although, the price of most things has increased.

The problem with market manipulation is that you are taking money from where it's working and putting it somewhere where they want to manipulate. It's like the cash for clunkers. You might not have the money to buy a car, but you do it because of cash for clunkers, so you take money you don't designate for car buying and buy a car. It might be the wrong time for you to buy a car and you can't afford it or maybe you were going to put that money towards paying down a credit card.

The same with business. If a business gets a bunch of money from the government, they will use it to expand or do something that they probably aren't ready to do. So when reality hits, they have to scale back again or whatever. It's basically a band-aid on a festering wound. The only way to really recover is to let it hit bottom and then let it get on solid ground and build back up again. That's what Romney was talking about with Detroit. Have a managed bankruptcy and make sure it's on solid ground before building it back again. General Motors is in trouble again. Ford is not. Why? Because a company that didn't get bailed out, has to go back to the drawing board and get rid of what doesn't work and push things that do work. Just like a household budget. If you are consistently short $500 a month but get money from parents to cover it, you'll keep spending that money and not look over things and see what the problem is.

 

[phgreek]

You don't get it... Doesn't mean it's not ignorant to others.


Point is, free speech covers the good, bad, and ugly.

no longer true in this country...hope will be true again...

If you are considered by the administration as expendable for their politics, you can be hauled in for making a vile movie...apparently.

 

[PraetorianND]

Like this:

If you had a business and it was time to retire, would you rather hand it over to Mitt Romney or Barack Obama?

Well.... Is the business private or public, not for profit or for profit? Does the business use renewable energy resources or no renewable? Does it use sustainable practices or not sustainable practices?

Lots of factors. If it was a hedge fun I would probably leave it to Romney. If it's a not for profit hospital I'll leave it to Obama.

Not to mention your response does not address Romney's trustworthiness....

 

[Buster Bluth]

Buster, you are intelligent enough to know that presidents influence tax rates. There is a reason the tax cuts of the previous administration are called the Bush tax cuts.

I was being silly I'll admit. But the President has to work with Congress, that's the point. None of this wild and lunatic accusations can happen thanks to the filter of Congress. ROMNEY WILL KILL PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND MAKE ABORTION ILLEGAL. Ummm, no.

I completely agree with eliminating loopholes, but if we are going to pay off this huge debt, shouldn't we do that before tax cuts?

A great way to help balance the budget would be to increase revenue via growing the economy. Small business growth is the "engine of job creation" (Boo platitudes..). When you lower the tax rate and close enough loopholes to offset the lowering, that is raising taxes on this corporatist system and the rich.

Still, there aren't enough millionaires and billionaires to really put much of a dent in the debt. We do need to reform programs and literally ask ourselves "if it's worth borrowing money from China." (Although to be fair doesn't China only buy like 1/5 of our debt?)

We do need to cut programs. I strongly disagree with Romney's neo-jingoism, we can slash the military budget by 30% and be just fine. And we could end the fukking wars.

I mean, if that is the immorality of the current system -- borrowing more money from China to pass off the debt to our children -- shouldn't we take care of that first?

You should be voting for Ron Paul then.

I didn't say I only gave $50 to charity and I was talking about total worth, not annual income.

I think a better criticism is that most of the "charity" money went to the Mormon Church, not the literally charities.

Romney left off deductions because he made the mis-step of telling a reporter that he paid at least 13 percent every year.

And if he wasn't "running for President," nobody would give a ****. He's a man worth $250mil and by all accounts hasn't really managed his own money since he left Bain Capital. He has a team and their projections were 13%<, he went with that..

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Given that Obama promised to cut the debt last time, didn't do it, and has promised to cut the debt again, how could anyone in their right mind possibly believe him?

It's like "read my lips, no new taxes".

 

[PraetorianND]

Given that Obama promised to cut the debt last time, didn't do it, and has promised to cut the debt again, how could anyone in their right mind possibly believe him?

It's like "read my lips, no new taxes".

So you're saying you trust Obama less? Everyone just keeps avoiding my question.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Here's a question:

Does Bob Diaco deserve a salary 100x more than the average american worker?

 

[PraetorianND]

Yes. My trust is directly proportional to kept promises. No kept promises, no trust.

So then how do you feel about Romney's change from far right to middle of the road from the primary to now? Not as bad as a broken promise?

 

[PraetorianND]

How can you trust Obama? He's lied right to your face.

But let's not worry about the guy already in office......

I'm asking about Romney..... I'm really just curious. No need to get defensive. I personally have a problem with Romney's campaigning because it seems dishonest. I'm wondering how people voting for Romney feel about it. I'm not asking about Obama at all here. Geez.

 

[PraetorianND]

Take a look at the whole of Mitt Romney's life. I've said this before on the thread, he is probably the most overall successful person to ever run for POTUS: family, career, philanthropy, religion, etc. The guy's story is unbelievable. He is not an ideologue. He's a pragmatist. He's a pragmatist who also happens to love this country. Unfortunately, he's a pragmatist stuck in an ideological game. That's why most very right wing people didn't like him. But he's also not all about solving the social issues or the fringe issues. He's about making it work the best it can work. That's what he's done everywhere he's been, from Bain to Boston to Salt Lake City. People on the left are afraid he will be too conservative. This is bogus. He will do whatever he thinks will get the job done and he will have to do it with a Congress that has people on the left in it. He did that in MA. Remember the Olympics were a disaster before he got there. Scandal all over the place. He set it right and it was, I believe, the most successful games in America to date. Just take a look at what he's done in his private life. It is the opposite of slimeball or liar. It just is. And he's done it for his entire life, not just his political life for appearances.

The biggest issue facing this country is debt and what is going to happen with programs like Social Security and Medicare. We have a Senate now who hasn't put forward a budget in something like 3 years even though it's the duty of the Senate. If you read Woodward's book about Obama it is devastating to him in terms of leadership. Like in the debt negotiations he didn't have a Plan B if Plan A didn't work out. Seriously?

Romney is a leader and good man. He's proven it over his lifetime.

Thank you for such a thoughtful response. This is really helpful for me in understanding this issue.

Reps.

 

[Walter White]

Here's a question:

Does Bob Diaco deserve a salary 100x more than the average american worker?

This deserves it's own thread...

 

[Buster Bluth]

Here's a question:

Does Bob Diaco deserve a salary 100x more than the average american worker?

Yes.

 

[Downinthebend]

I'd vote Rupert Boneham for president.

 

[Buster Bluth]

This is wild:

A Campaign Map, Morphed By Money : It's All Politics : NPR

 

[ab2cmiller]

Here's a question:

Does Bob Diaco deserve a salary 100x more than the average american worker?

Of course not, at a minimum all coaches current salaries should be added together and split evenly amongst all the coaches nationwide. That is the only "fair" thing to do. At least that's what my ultra liberal socialist friends would tell me. And if they don't split it up evenly then we should tell them they are obviously racists that want people to die of cancer and want to rip out women's vaginas and then we should threaten to riot every chance we get.

 

[phgreek]

Of course not, at a minimum all coaches current salaries should be added together and split evenly amongst all the coaches nationwide. That is the only "fair" thing to do. At least that's what my ultra liberal socialist friends would tell me. And if they don't split it up evenly then we should tell them they are obviously racists that want people to die of cancer and want to rip out women's vaginas and then we should threaten to riot every chance we get.

...boy that'd go over about as well as the trick or treat candy re-distribution...

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Well...certainly coaches should be paid via a progressive scale, and that richer programs should be forced to pay for poorer programs...right?

Otherwise it's unfair.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Well...certainly coaches should be paid via a progressive scale, and that richer programs should be forced to pay for poorer programs...right?

Otherwise it's unfair.

Some smaller schools have actually had to drop football to live within their own financial means. How unfair is that? Maybe ND should have to pay into a fund to allow those schools to field a team again.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

How about, before each game, each underdog automatically gets credited the number of points in the spread.

So, for example, last week's Alabama-MSU would have began with MSU up 24.

Boom! Instant "level playing field"!

I should be on Obama's Medicare Death Panel!

 

[ab2cmiller]

How about, before each game, each underdog automatically gets credited the number of points in the spread.

So, for example, last week's Alabama-MSU would have began with MSU up 24.

Boom! Instant "level playing field"!

I should be on Obama's Medicare Death Panel!

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[Polish Leppy 22]

How about, before each game, each underdog automatically gets credited the number of points in the spread.

So, for example, last week's Alabama-MSU would have began with MSU up 24.

Boom! Instant "level playing field"!

I should be on Obama's Medicare Death Panel!

Hahahahahahahhahahahhahahaha

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Well...certainly coaches should be paid via a progressive scale, and that richer programs should be forced to pay for poorer programs...right?

Otherwise it's unfair.

Good point. That has worked pretty well for the NFL.

 

[PraetorianND]

Good point. That has worked pretty well for the NFL.

It required I spread around reps before giving to you again.... That's funny.

 

[Rhode Irish]

How about, before each game, each underdog automatically gets credited the number of points in the spread.

So, for example, last week's Alabama-MSU would have began with MSU up 24.

Boom! Instant "level playing field"!

I should be on Obama's Medicare Death Panel!

Football is a game. Nobody dies if they don't score enough points.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Research report from the Congressional Research Service. They are incredibly well respected and known to be nonpartisan.

Congressional Research Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



"There is not conclusive evidence, however, to substantiate a clear relationship between the 65-year steady reduction in the top tax rates and economic growth."

http://www.dpcc.senate.gov/files/documents/CRSTaxesandtheEconomy Top Rates.pdf

"However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution."