Police State USA

[Bogtrotter07]

Good. So let's put money in schools, jobs, diversion programs, etc., and stop the lockup for profit mentality.

 

[Grahambo]

All lives matter. It's just especially noteworthy when officers of the state harm/murder innocents.

In case you missed it, blacks aren't fans of the crime situation happening in cities either.

It should be noteworthy in all instances, not just when police are involved. For as much as they want to go out and protest for change, which is fine, protest all roots of the problem.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It should be noteworthy in all instances, not just when police are involved. For as much as they want to go out and protest for change, which is fine, protest all roots of the problem.

Could you please clarify this?

 

[Buster Bluth]

But, in case you missed it:

I saw clips of the protestors in Baltimore just now on CNN. They were NOT out condemning the violence and pleading for an end to it. They were out screaming about how the government is persecuting them (building jails instead of new schools, less police presence in their neighborhoods, etc).

Clips on CNN? Come on haha

Do you think blacks in inner cities are okay with the violence surrounding them? Do you think they're in on it or something? There have been plenty of gatherings in Baltimore alone on the matter. CNN blows, getting your news there isn't a great idea. They want ratings. There's a reason that even while crime has fallen (shown below), Americans think it's getting worse. We have an unrealistic view of the situation, according to Gallup.

It should be noteworthy in all instances, not just when police are involved. For as much as they want to go out and protest for change, which is fine, protest all roots of the problem.

Totally agree. But there is demonstrable improvement on that front, no?

The 26 murders this month are the most since 1999. Clearly the city is on edge right now.

 

[kmoose]

Clips on CNN? Come on haha

Do you think blacks in inner cities are okay with the violence surrounding them? Do you think they're in on it or something? There have been plenty of gatherings in Baltimore alone on the matter. CNN blows, getting your news there isn't a great idea. They want ratings. There's a reason that even while crime has fallen (shown below), Americans think it's getting worse. We have an unrealistic view of the situation, according to Gallup.

Totally agree. But there is demonstrable improvement on that front, no?

The 26 murders this month are the most since 1999. Clearly the city is on edge right now.

So you're saying that the mainstream media is to blame for the lack of awareness of the black community's rallies against crime?

 

[dshans]

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[Bogtrotter07]

So you're saying that the mainstream media is to blame for the lack of awareness of the black community's rallies against crime?

What I got from Buster is, with both Fox News and CNN, the mainstream media is to blame for the lack of awareness on the part of upper middle class white people about the way the country really is.

 

[kmoose]

What I got from Buster is, with both Fox News and CNN, the mainstream media is to blame for the lack of awareness on the part of upper middle class white people about the way the country really is.

Thanks. But I'd like to hear from Buster himself.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Thanks. But I'd like to hear from Buster himself.

No that's pretty much it. No one will deny that we have a reactionary and shallow media that chases ratings by scaring people and reporting the exciting stories.

Unless you have a better explanation for violent crime falling to its lowest levels in decades while Americans continue to think it's getting worse year after year. What other conclusion can one come to other than the five (is it five?) corporations dominating the news in this country have realized that they aren't going to sell ad space with feel-good stories or even level-headed analysis?

I guess I should add that I am not in any way saying that Baltimore and basically every inner city is a good place to be. It's a horrible situation obviously. But cable news isn't even trying to do journalism at this point.

 

[Woneone]

No that's pretty much it. No one will deny that we have a reactionary and shallow media that chases ratings by scaring people and reporting the exciting stories.

Unless you have a better explanation for violent crime falling to its lowest levels in decades while Americans continue to think it's getting worse year after year. What other conclusion can one come to other than the five (is it five?) corporations dominating the news in this country have realized that they aren't going to sell ad space with feel-good stories or even level-headed analysis?

Unless it's Jon Stewart reporting it (I kid, I kid. Hugs all around :hug: ).

But I agree, and I blame the interwebs. The news is a business. It needs all the viewers it can get. Now, anyone can set-up their own news feed, surf out to Google News, or read a Twitter stream and be notified of what's going on. Reporting the "news" doesn't keep viewers like it used to.

But drama works, be it real or manufactured. The level of extreme is everywhere, from Fox News to CNN, ESPN to the Kardashians.

Should we ask the well-spoken gentlemen about today's events? Na, let's get the guy that fits the stereotype we're trying to fill.

Should we tell them about the crime rate going down, even when the incarceration rate is declining (I have thoughts on this, but a debate for another time)? Na, Let's run the story of the the one guy released from Prison who committed another heinous crime.

Should we report on the many peaceful protests that were going on in places like Baltimore? Nope, show the group of guys burning shit down.

There is a lot of good going on, advances being made, but that doesn't sell. Shocking anecdotal "evidence" does. I don't want informed, I want scared. I want to hate something or someone. I want to hear how it's their fault, not mine.

 

[kmoose]

No that's pretty much it. No one will deny that we have a reactionary and shallow media that chases ratings by scaring people and reporting the exciting stories.

Unless you have a better explanation for violent crime falling to its lowest levels in decades while Americans continue to think it's getting worse year after year. What other conclusion can one come to other than the five (is it five?) corporations dominating the news in this country have realized that they aren't going to sell ad space with feel-good stories or even level-headed analysis?

I guess I should add that I am not in any way saying that Baltimore and basically every inner city is a good place to be. It's a horrible situation obviously. But cable news isn't even trying to do journalism at this point.

But when the same news organizations report on police brutality, and institutionalized racism, it is taken as fact?

 

[dshans]

But when the same news organizations report on police brutality, and institutionalized racism, it is taken as fact?

I have grains o' salt aplenty.

Applied regardless of source.

I'm strange, I know.

 

[IrishLax]

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Pretty genius to get around the times police officers try to destroy cell phones/delete videos. It's an app that, among other things, allows you to film an encounter and at any time press a button to save the file on an ACLU server.

 

[Irish#1]

But drama works, be it real or manufactured.

That's the truth. I remember when breaking news meant something, like a plane crash, Apollo, President shot, etc..

Today all of the local news stations everywhere over use the term for things like a house fire, car accident, candidate announcing they are running for mayor, etc. I don't even pay attention anymore.

 

[Bluto]

But when the same news organizations report on police brutality, and institutionalized racism, it is taken as fact?

Not really. But there are tons of articles in peer reviewed journals and publications as well as well researched books that describe, demonstrate the existence of as well as the intricacies and function of instutionalized racism.

 

[Woneone]

Not really. But there are tons of articles in peer reviewed journals and publications as well as well researched books that describe, demonstrate the existence of as well as the intricacies and function of instutionalized racism.

I think that's the point.

There are studies on institutionalized racism. There are studies on crime rates and minorities. There are statistics on Stop and Frisk and it's effect on crime. There are studies on the after effects and mental stability of Transgender individuals.

All of these studies, in the right context and environment, can help further the discussion of each topic.

But that isn't what the news is about now a days.

You directly mentioned institutionalized racism, and you're right, it exists. But, that doesn't mean that every reference a news outlet makes to it means it fits the situation. It just fits the narrative they're pitching. Studies have shown it exists, but they're yet to prove if MSNBC or Fox News is using it correctly.

 

[GoIrish41]

I think that's the point.

There are studies on institutionalized racism. There are studies on crime rates and minorities. There are statistics on Stop and Frisk and it's effect on crime. There are studies on the after effects and mental stability of Transgender individuals.

All of these studies, in the right context and environment, can help further the discussion of each topic.

But that isn't what the news is about now a days.

You directly mentioned institutionalized racism, and you're right, it exists. But, that doesn't mean that every reference a news outlet makes to it means it fits the situation. It just fits the narrative they're pitching. Studies have shown it exists, but they're yet to prove if MSNBC or Fox News is using it correctly.

Have studies shown that they are not using it correctly? You seem sure that the term is being misused.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Anyone been following this one in TX?

Texas police officer suspended after chaotic pool party incident

https://youtu.be/R46-XTqXkzE

https://youtu.be/H8miXPQcIlM

I can't get these to embed for some reason...

Anyways, this is another circulating story that involves white cops and African Americans. Of course the media will be all over this. But I've watched the whole video numerous times as well as multiple interviews from those actually on scene and this is a clear case of insubordination. Did that white cop target mostly the African American teens? Yes. There were just as many white adults (and teens) lingering on the scene whom he completely ignored. However, he told those kids multiple times to either "go home," "sit there," or "shut up" (or a combination) and very few of them followed his instructions. The girl he forcefully pulled to the ground and held down 1) didn't go home 2) talked back to him 3) resisted once he grabbed her. Whether he's in the right or he's wrong, for the love of God don't fight back. The whole gun drawn incident...he did that once he got that girl down and was immediately swarmed by a group of people. Again, WTF are you doing? That's a cop. Right or wrong, stay the F back.

I've seen a handful of interviews and a lot of them (white and black people) say exactly what happened: A pool party got out of control. There were fights, etc. The cops showed up and a bunch of the teenagers not only didn't follow instructions but they talked back to the cops only making it worse. The two interviews I watched where people played up the victim role were 1) the main girl who was taken down and put in cuffs (she lied in her interview btw, which is apparent to anyone who actually watched the whole video) and 2) one of the friends of that girl (who again, downplayed the insubordination that took place).

I'm not going to generalize this story and lump it with all the others. No one was hurt, thankfully. But this is yet another incident circulating the media and they're cherry picking only the convenient parts to support whatever agenda they have.

 

[JughedJones]

But when the same news organizations report on police brutality, and institutionalized racism, it is taken as fact?

Hey look! Our resident fascist has something to say!

 

[IrishLax]

Anyone been following this one in TX?

Texas police officer suspended after chaotic pool party incident

https://youtu.be/R46-XTqXkzE

https://youtu.be/H8miXPQcIlM

I can't get these to embed for some reason...

Anyways, this is another circulating story that involves white cops and African Americans. Of course the media will be all over this. But I've watched the whole video numerous times as well as multiple interviews from those actually on scene and this is a clear case of insubordination. Did that white cop target mostly the African American teens? Yes. There were just as many white adults (and teens) lingering on the scene whom he completely ignored. However, he told those kids multiple times to either "go home," "sit there," or "shut up" (or a combination) and very few of them followed his instructions. The girl he forcefully pulled to the ground and held down 1) didn't go home 2) talked back to him 3) resisted once he grabbed her. Whether he's in the right or he's wrong, for the love of God don't fight back. The whole gun drawn incident...he did that once he got that girl down and was immediately swarmed by a group of people. Again, WTF are you doing? That's a cop. Right or wrong, stay the F back.

I've seen a handful of interviews and a lot of them (white and black people) say exactly what happened: A pool party got out of control. There were fights, etc. The cops showed up and a bunch of the teenagers not only didn't follow instructions but they talked back to the cops only making it worse. The two interviews I watched where people played up the victim role were 1) the main girl who was taken down and put in cuffs (she lied in her interview btw, which is apparent to anyone who actually watched the whole video) and 2) one of the friends of that girl (who again, downplayed the insubordination that took place).

I'm not going to generalize this story and lump it with all the others. No one was hurt, thankfully. But this is yet another incident circulating the media and they're cherry picking only the convenient parts to support whatever agenda they have.

Yeah, the adults are all telling a different story and it doesn't involve race. It involves teenagers being punks.

Black Radio Host That Witnessed McKinney Pool Incident: ‘I Do Not Believe That This Was About Race’ - Breitbart

According to this guy, they were trespassing and being unruly. The cops show up and they run from them and/or don't comply with instructions. Maybe the way the cop treated the one girl at the end was overly harsh, but to that point you have a large group of people not complying with instructions and being belligerent towards the cop.

 

[dublinirish]

lol the "military roll" by that one cop was the real crime

 

[pkt77242]

Yeah, the adults are all telling a different story and it doesn't involve race. It involves teenagers being punks.

Black Radio Host That Witnessed McKinney Pool Incident: ‘I Do Not Believe That This Was About Race’ - Breitbart

According to this guy, they were trespassing and being unruly. The cops show up and they run from them and/or don't comply with instructions. Maybe the way the cop treated the one girl at the end was overly harsh, but to that point you have a large group of people not complying with instructions and being belligerent towards the cop.

According to this story, the fight started between a parent and a teen after the parent told the black teens to "go back to section 8 housing." Even if they shouldn't have been there, that is a pretty rough statement.

I don't think that the officer should be fired but when you watch that video he was acting a little nuts especially in comparison to how all of the other officers were acting. His barrel roll in the grass was particularly weird as was his pulling his gun and chasing the teens (and it even looks like other officers told him to stop). Then you have him being overly aggressive with the female.

New video shows different angle of pool party incident

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Anyone been following this one in TX?

Texas police officer suspended after chaotic pool party incident

https://youtu.be/R46-XTqXkzE

https://youtu.be/H8miXPQcIlM

I can't get these to embed for some reason...

Anyways, this is another circulating story that involves white cops and African Americans. Of course the media will be all over this. But I've watched the whole video numerous times as well as multiple interviews from those actually on scene and this is a clear case of insubordination. Did that white cop target mostly the African American teens? Yes. There were just as many white adults (and teens) lingering on the scene whom he completely ignored. However, he told those kids multiple times to either "go home," "sit there," or "shut up" (or a combination) and very few of them followed his instructions. The girl he forcefully pulled to the ground and held down 1) didn't go home 2) talked back to him 3) resisted once he grabbed her. Whether he's in the right or he's wrong, for the love of God don't fight back. The whole gun drawn incident...he did that once he got that girl down and was immediately swarmed by a group of people. Again, WTF are you doing? That's a cop. Right or wrong, stay the F back.

I've seen a handful of interviews and a lot of them (white and black people) say exactly what happened: A pool party got out of control. There were fights, etc. The cops showed up and a bunch of the teenagers not only didn't follow instructions but they talked back to the cops only making it worse. The two interviews I watched where people played up the victim role were 1) the main girl who was taken down and put in cuffs (she lied in her interview btw, which is apparent to anyone who actually watched the whole video) and 2) one of the friends of that girl (who again, downplayed the insubordination that took place).

I'm not going to generalize this story and lump it with all the others. No one was hurt, thankfully. But this is yet another incident circulating the media and they're cherry picking only the convenient parts to support whatever agenda they have.

There was definitely some insubordination. And the cop that must have been the one suspended made a good case for it. Unfortunately, he was recorded while pulling his weapon on an unarmed teenager who was not in any way posing him a threat.

Now from what I gather this is a (semi) public pool, in a good neighborhood. One of the African Americans who lived in the neighborhood planned a birthday party at the pool. Whether tons of uninvited crashed or not, I do not know.

But a whole lot of agitation began when several svelte, white women started making offensive comments to the kids at the pool. These women apparently categorized the young (obviously) upwardly mobile African American kids as "Section 8" residents come over to take away their (white) pool.

A fourteen year old caucasian girl, identified by name, (Grace), attempted to defend the kids at the party who were her friends. (Shocking, I know, kids of multiple races were at the party, but only the "black" kids were the problem!!!!!!!!)

Now if you saw footage of anything but well groomed, well mannered kids (of any race) doing any more than resisting lawful orders of a police officer, please post the video.

In other words, the agitators had ceased, and dispersed before the police waded into a crowd of agitated youngsters. The kids taking the longest video, the one that shows the officer clearly un-holstering his weapon, was courteous, obedient, and even returned the officer's dropped flashlight to him!

On the other had, none of the instigants, including the stupid, fat, white, idiot that was meandering around with impunity, were detained. Many pointed out that this guy was with the original "name callers." He was doing nothing but making things tougher for the police because while they were trying to take command, and ordering individuals to comply, he was obviously wandering wherever he wanted.

If I were a young African-American, I would have heard his actions as I am a white adult, and I don't have to follow these orders. This I see, in particular, along with the general confusion of the situation, caused a higher degree of resistance, and an effort to flee among some of the bystanders.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out; whether the original instigators are all identified, and questioned. What happens to the officer that pulled his weapon. And how well the difference between the "white" and the "black" story are documented, and which turns out to be closer to the truth.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

lol the "military roll" by that one cop was the real crime

Remind you of anyone?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Yeah, the adults are all telling a different story and it doesn't involve race. It involves teenagers being punks.

Black Radio Host That Witnessed McKinney Pool Incident: ‘I Do Not Believe That This Was About Race’ - Breitbart

According to this guy, they were trespassing and being unruly. The cops show up and they run from them and/or don't comply with instructions. Maybe the way the cop treated the one girl at the end was overly harsh, but to that point you have a large group of people not complying with instructions and being belligerent towards the cop.

Re-watch the original video and you can see him tell that group of girls to go home numerous times. The girl who took the brunt of it (you can't miss her throughout the video) clearly ignores him and you can't hear what was said, but she had to have provoked him. He was already all jacked up, but he went after her to grab her. Then she resisted and refused to put her hands behind her back and lay down. Harsh, perhaps. But that treatment is coming towards anyone who acts the way she did, regardless of age/sex/race.

According to this story, the fight started between a parent and a teen after the parent told the black teens to "go back to section 8 housing." Even if they shouldn't have been there, that is a pretty rough statement.

I don't think that the officer should be fired but when you watch that video he was acting a little nuts especially in comparison to how all of the other officers were acting. His barrel roll in the grass was particularly weird as was his pulling his gun and chasing the teens (and it even looks like other officers told him to stop). Then you have him being overly aggressive with the female.

New video shows different angle of pool party incident

I think his barrel role was a result of him tripping while running towards a group. He was acting pretty crazy compared to the other cops (at times). A lot of the time you see him just telling kids to go home, etc. He even came back to talk to one kid and explain to him why he got upset with him. That girl flat out resisted and then the cop got swarmed the second he got her to the ground. Standard procedure if you ask me.

I watched the video you linked. Funny that even the white girl who was involved got cuffed but no one is talking about that. Did she deserve to be? Probably not. I feel the others who were standing around probably didn't need to be as well. But you're talking about what, three cops, trying to handle a hundred people in that situation.

 

[kmoose]

Unfortunately, he was recorded while pulling his weapon on an unarmed teenager who was not in any way posing him a threat.

He was on his knees, trying to control someone who was resisting, and the one kid rushed up on him. He pulled up short, but he still rushed up on him and appeared to be yelling at him. Whether we agree or not, police officers will consider that a threat, 10 times out of 10.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Re-watch the original video and you can see him tell that group of girls to go home numerous times. The girl who took the brunt of it (you can't miss her throughout the video) clearly ignores him and you can't hear what was said, but she had to have provoked him. He was already all jacked up, but he went after her to grab her. Then she resisted and refused to put her hands behind her back and lay down. Harsh, perhaps. But that treatment is coming towards anyone who acts the way she did, regardless of age/sex/race.



I think his barrel role was a result of him tripping while running towards a group. He was acting pretty crazy compared to the other cops (at times). A lot of the time you see him just telling kids to go home, etc. He even came back to talk to one kid and explain to him why he got upset with him. That girl flat out resisted and then the cop got swarmed the second he got her to the ground. Standard procedure if you ask me.

I watched the video you linked. Funny that even the white girl who was involved got cuffed but no one is talking about that. Did she deserve to be? Probably not. I feel the others who were standing around probably didn't need to be as well. But you're talking about what, three cops, trying to handle a hundred people in that situation.

Did you watch the interview with her? She was telling an officer what really happened, and that officer didn't like the story. So he asked if she was involved (not distinguishing between being a witness or participant,) and when she said, "You could say that," (nothing more,) she was handcuffed! Nobody, saw her resist or act in a non-compliant manner. I suggest that is why the people you listen to are not talking about her.

 

[nlroma1o]

He was on his knees, trying to control someone who was resisting, and the one kid rushed up on him. He pulled up short, but he still rushed up on him and appeared to be yelling at him. Whether we agree or not, police officers will consider that a threat, 10 times out of 10.

It wasn't 1, but 2 kids, side by side, that rushed the cop, while he was on the ground. That is considered a threatening advance towards the officer.

Is it known if he pulled his taser, or was that his gun? I couldn't tell from the video.

 

[kmoose]

Did you watch the interview with her? She was telling an officer what really happened, and that officer didn't like the story. So he asked if she was involved (not distinguishing between being a witness or participant,) and when she said, "You could say that," (nothing more,) she was handcuffed! Nobody, saw her resist or act in a non-compliant manner. I suggest that is why the people you listen to are not talking about her.

I think you are talking about the white girl that was interviewed on the morning show, and BleedBlueandGold is talking about the black girl that he took down?

 

[kmoose]

It wasn't 1, but 2 kids, side by side, that rushed the cop, while he was on the ground. That is considered a threatening advance towards the officer.

Is it known if he pulled his taser, or was that his gun? I couldn't tell from the video.

It was his gun. Interesting to note, also, that he did not raise it like he was going to use it. He kept it pointed almost straight down at the ground, kind of like how you would carry a firearm at a range.