Path to the CFP?

[Rogue219]

Playing 8 ACC games makes it harder to squeeze in a trip to Europe or playing a game at a baseball stadium. Inches closer to breaking the blood oath taken with Navy 8 decades ago, too. Main thing is making sure they get to kick SC's ass every year.

Personally, I'd rather play Citadel the weekend before Thanksgiving because it just means more.

(Sarcasm font for all above)

 

[BleedBlueGold]

ND behind Michigan and MSU is criminal, imo. Whether you use the above simulated BCS or the current CFP, ND has the "best-worst loss" and also has wins over ranked Wisc and Purdue. Michigan's loss is not "better" than ND's and their best win is Wisc (common opponent to ND). MSU's best win is better than ND and Michigan but they also have a worse loss than either of the two.

9-0 Oklahoma being ranked #8 is absolute lunacy.

The BCS has it right with these teams. WTF is the committee doing with these four teams in particular? Does anyone know?

 

[IrishLax]

ND behind Michigan and MSU is criminal, imo. Whether you use the above simulated BCS or the current CFP, ND has the "best-worst loss" and also has wins over ranked Wisc and Purdue. Michigan's loss is not "better" than ND's and their best win is Wisc (common opponent to ND). MSU's best win is better than ND and Michigan but they also have a worse loss than either of the two.

9-0 Oklahoma being ranked #8 is absolute lunacy.

The BCS has it right with these teams. WTF is the committee doing with these four teams in particular? Does anyone know?

It's clearly just Big Ten bias manifesting itself so that if Ohio State loses and someone else sneaks into the Big Ten championship it's easier to justify them over Cinci. If you have ND too high, harder to keep Cinci out. Next week -- after Oklahoma beats Oklahoma State or vice versa -- you will see a Big 12 team jump all of them into 5th place on account of having a "marquee win." If no one loses, you will see Cinci #6 and ND #7 headed into the end of the season. Then Bama can drop out after losing to Georgia and still keep Cinci at #5. Oregon losing to Utah (possibly twice) will end up being the number one thing that can get Cinci in the playoffs.

 

[NDPhilly]

Notre Dame has 2 double digit top 20 wins based on the new CFP top 20. No other team can say that. Not Georgia. Not Alabama. Not any of the other teams in front of us either.

While this is far from a perfect ND team, the playoff committee needs to spend less time looking at advanced stats and more time focusing on actual game outcomes. IDK where ND should be ranked, but if Wisconsin and Purdue are top 20 teams, it should be higher than 9.

 

[IRISHMAN]

How TF is Michigan ranked ahead of MSU? Why even play the games?

no kidding, then the playoff committee then said that michigan was the more complete team between the two. i agree why play the games if head to head doesn't matter. david pollock was trying to make that point then joey galloway was saying then by that same logic TA&M should be ranked ahead of Bama.

 

[IrishLax]

Notre Dame has 2 double digit top 20 wins based on the new CFP top 20. No other team can say that. Not Georgia. Not Alabama. Not any of the other teams in front of us either.

While this is far from a perfect ND team, the playoff committee needs to spend less time looking at advanced stats and more time focusing on actual game outcomes. IDK where ND should be ranked, but if Wisconsin and Purdue are top 20 teams, it should be higher than 9.

I would also love to know what advanced stats they're actually using. Which formulas and how are they applying them? Because all of them have some flaws and biases. For example, Wisconsin is #4 in the country in SP+. ND is 13th, behind Pitt and Clemson and Iowa State. The style of football that you play has a huge impact on your advanced statistical rankings.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I would also love to know what advanced stats they're actually using. Which formulas and how are they applying them? Because all of them have some flaws and biases. For example, Wisconsin is #4 in the country in SP+. ND is 13th, behind Pitt and Clemson and Iowa State. The style of football that you play has a huge impact on your advanced statistical rankings.

They have said they won't consider any stats which are proprietary because they can't do a full breakdown of their inputs.

 

[Dale]

Y’all are giving the committee way too much credit thinking they are applying advanced stats. What they say on TV is for show, they just shoot the shit and have preconceived plans to decide in reality lol

 

[GowerND11]

First game was at night at ND. Wimbush first game and some shitty refereeing helped GA squeak it out. That’s the game the lame ND fan base sold out and sold their tickets to GA fans for 5X.

You didn't get the joke...

 

[BleedBlueGold]

It's clearly just Big Ten bias manifesting itself so that if Ohio State loses and someone else sneaks into the Big Ten championship it's easier to justify them over Cinci. If you have ND too high, harder to keep Cinci out. Next week -- after Oklahoma beats Oklahoma State or vice versa -- you will see a Big 12 team jump all of them into 5th place on account of having a "marquee win." If no one loses, you will see Cinci #6 and ND #7 headed into the end of the season. Then Bama can drop out after losing to Georgia and still keep Cinci at #5. Oregon losing to Utah (possibly twice) will end up being the number one thing that can get Cinci in the playoffs.

You're probably right, but this is the problem with the committee. They're trying to set up the end of season rankings instead of just objectively ranking each team in the respective week. Why the hell are they worried about the end of season matchup or what might happen tomorrow? Rank the teams on what they've accomplished so far this year, period. The CFP ranking system makes me hate college football. It's a joke.

 

[phork]

I am trying to understand the committee here. They are saying that Oregons win vs OSU stands, even with Oregons loss. But MSUs win vs Mich doesnt count because MSU lost (to a better team than the one who beat Oregon). And NDs only loss is to a top5 undefeated team. Alabama has a loss and close games with some garbage teams AND stat padded FCS teams.
If any year they were full of shit, this is it. I am not saying ND belongs, but given the alternatives this year its anyones to win.

 

[GowerND11]

You're probably right, but this is the problem with the committee. They're trying to set up the end of season rankings instead of just objectively ranking each team in the respective week. Why the hell are they worried about the end of season matchup or what might happen tomorrow? Rank the teams on what they've accomplished so far this year, period. The CFP ranking system makes me hate college football. It's a joke.

Which is why it's bullshit to even have these weekly s̶h̶o̶w̶s money grabs. Besides the fact that the committee is a farce and shouldn't even exist, I've said since the beginning there is no real reason for having this weekly malarkey. You don't see the basketball committee start meeting in February saying "these are our 68 teams right now" because it's all speculative.

 

[ACamp1900]

I am trying to understand the committee here. They are saying that Oregons win vs OSU stands, even with Oregons loss. But MSUs win vs Mich doesnt count because MSU lost (to a better team than the one who beat Oregon). And NDs only loss is to a top5 undefeated team. Alabama has a loss and close games with some garbage teams AND stat padded FCS teams.
If any year they were full of shit, this is it. I am not saying ND belongs, but given the alternatives this year its anyones to win.

My thoughts have been for a while: It's clear it's not a current year thing... but a pageant on what program looks the part over the past ten years etc... if that doesn't separate a top four then go with the option(s) that will bring more money and eyeballs... The current year team/resume seems to have little to do with anything compared to the aforementioned for me.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

How TF is Michigan ranked ahead of MSU? Why even play the games?

Because reasons. The Committee has spoken.

It's a fucking joke.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

There’s been 69 ranked teams that have lost in the first 10 weeks of the season. You really think that is going to stop? 21 of those loses have been teams inside the top 10. There are more upsets on the horizon. It’s been a crazy year. To just say we have no chance is asinine. We have a shot. We need a ton of stuff to happen but it’s not impossible.

Keep winning and let the dominos fall in front of us.

We have no chance.

^^^^^

 

[IRISHMAN]

I am trying to understand the committee here. They are saying that Oregons win vs OSU stands, even with Oregons loss. But MSUs win vs Mich doesnt count because MSU lost (to a better team than the one who beat Oregon). And NDs only loss is to a top5 undefeated team. Alabama has a loss and close games with some garbage teams AND stat padded FCS teams.
If any year they were full of shit, this is it. I am not saying ND belongs, but given the alternatives this year its anyones to win.

yeah if you put Michigan ahead of MSU then OSU should be ahead of Oregon. THIS MAKES NO SENSE!

 

[NDPhilly]

Notre Dame should try to schedule a solid team that isn't in a conference championship for that last week. Guarantee there would be one team that bites. Last minute games were scheduled fine last year.

For example, Penn State isn't going to be in the Big 10 championship game and we know that now. Each team's fanbase would be all over the game and the ratings would be terrific.

 

[IrishLax]

It's also crazy to think about how if the proposed 12 team format was adopted then NO ONE would care about these fools. 5 AQs + Cinci for six slots... win and you're in, good luck to everyone still in their conference race.

Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, etc. all would control their own destinies as well... win and you're in, lose and see how your resume stacks up. It's whackadoodle that we have a system that is so subjective and also so exclusionary. It's worse than the BCS ever was.

 

[GATTACA!]

MSU and Michigan ahead of ND is stupid, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t really matter. Both will lose to OSU and drop below us. If either pulls off the upset they would have jumped us anyways. No harm no foul there.

To get in we need Oregon or Oklahoma to pick up a loss. Probably two for Oklahoma. Georgia is a lock. OSU or the Big10 champ (from the east) is a lock.

So two spots for ND, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Cincinnati. I honestly think 11-1 ND gets in over 12-0 Cincinnati the committee is so fucked up.

Alabama beating Georgia eliminates us.

 

[Riddickulous]

It's also crazy to think about how if the proposed 12 team format was adopted then NO ONE would care about these fools. 5 AQs + Cinci for six slots... win and you're in, good luck to everyone still in their conference race.

Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, etc. all would control their own destinies as well... win and you're in, lose and see how your resume stacks up. It's whackadoodle that we have a system that is so subjective and also so exclusionary. It's worse than the BCS ever was.

Agreed. This season has been an excellent argument for playoff expansion.

 

[NDPhilly]

Agreed. This season has been an excellent argument for playoff expansion.

I'd rather go back to to the old BCS than expand to 12. Regular season will mean significantly less. The best part of college football is that every game matters so much and 1 loss can destroy your season.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Agreed. This season has been an excellent argument for playoff expansion.

Or at least go back to the BCS. I'm in favor of expansion personally, but this 4 team playoff is a joke.

 

[Riddickulous]

I'd rather go back to to the old BCS than expand to 12. Regular season will mean significantly less. The best part of college football is that every game matters so much and 1 loss can destroy your season.

I'd take any system that would make it harder for the same handful of teams to win a title every year.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'd rather go back to to the old BCS than expand to 12. Regular season will mean significantly less. The best part of college football is that every game matters so much and 1 loss can destroy your season.

I’d rather do anything than expand,… my preference however would go back to pre BCS poll system and if we ever have a split champion after the polls then schedule them an extra game,… the bowls were so much better when they mattered than a couple of playoff games are now. New Year’s Eve/Day was the definition of must see TV when like six different bowl games could decide the natty

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I've always been a fan of going back to computer rankings and expanding the playoff to 6. 5 conference champions* (*must also be ranked in top 10...aka no 3 loss conference champ gets a shot at a playoff spot) and the other open spot(s) go to first teams out.
Last year USC wouldn't qualify but Clemson, Bama, OSU, and Okla all won their respective conferences and were in the top 10. ND and A&M were first two out so they'd get in.

Once you know the 6 contenders, they get re-ranked w/ first two getting bye.

I think I saw this scenario suggested last year: Bama (1) and Clemson (2) get a bye. Oklahoma (6) vs OSU (3) and ND (4) vs A&M (5). Had USC qualified, it would've bumped A&M and it would've been a USC vs ND matchup to get into the Final Four.

Personally, I'd be in favor of this. It rewards the conference champs (but penalizes the weaker conferences; aka no 3 loss conf champ is getting in). It at least opens the door for at least one other team to play itself in. Honestly, I'd be fine if they pushed it to 8 teams and still did this scenario. But beyond 8, I feel like those teams don't deserve a shot....they either have multiple losses and/or didn't win their conference. It should be that simple.

 

[Sea Turtle]

The media got what they wanted. They wanted to make sure the Alabamas win every year.

Can you imagine how many titles Miami would have won if the playoffs ensured their inclusion every year? 9?

 

[GowerND11]

I’d rather do anything than expand,… my preference however would go back to pre BCS poll system and if we ever have a split champion after the polls then schedule them an extra game,… the bowls were so much better when they mattered than a couple of playoff games are now. New Year’s Eve/Day was the definition of must see TV when like six different bowl games could decide the natty

THANK YOU

 

[TorontoGold]

The media got what they wanted. They wanted to make sure the Alabamas win every year.

Can you imagine how many titles Miami would have won if the playoffs ensured their inclusion every year? 9?

Which team has won that won the natty in the playoff era that is undeserving? At the end of the day the team that wins is still going to be more than likely the best team, obviously not perfect.

2020	Alabama	CFP
2019	LSU	CFP
2018	Clemson	CFP
2017	Alabama	CFP
2016	Clemson	CFP
2015	Alabama	CFP
2014	Ohio State	CFP

 

[tko]

In order to get in, we need chaos in front of us and we need to dismantle UVA, GT and Stanford. We need to absolutely throttle each of these opponents, which is not the ND way.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Which team has won that won the natty in the playoff era that is undeserving? At the end of the day the team that wins is still going to be more than likely the best team, obviously not perfect.

2020	Alabama	CFP
2019	LSU	CFP
2018	Clemson	CFP
2017	Alabama	CFP
2016	Clemson	CFP
2015	Alabama	CFP
2014	Ohio State	CFP

Ohio State 1000%