Offensive Tempo in 2013

[chicago51]

What kind of tempo will do people seeing the offense have next year. Will BK go with fast pace again or he is he committed to let the clock run and protect the defense mentality for the forseable future?

 

[Luckylucci]

IMO, its going to be what the game or opponent calls for. If its a team that he feels like we can come out and be aggressive on then he'll probably speed it up which we saw at times this year. And as the game dictates he'll probably slow it down and eat clock. I don't think BK gives two shits if we play fast and score 50 or we play slow and score 20 as long as we win. I do think Everett's maturation will give BK the opportunity to do different things and one of those is to play fast. Call it and haul it is the term he likes to use.

 

[Emcee77]

IMO, its going to be what the game or opponent calls for. If its a team that he feels like we can come out and be aggressive on then he'll probably speed it up which we saw at times this year. And as the game dictates he'll probably slow it down and eat clock. I don't think BK gives two shits if we play fast and score 50 or we play slow and score 20 as long as we win. I do think Everett's maturation will give BK the opportunity to do different things and one of those is to play fast. Call it and haul it is the term he likes to use.

The bolded, yes. We'll start to play faster and BK will take more risks in his play-calling as Everett matures, but BK's shown this year that he'll tailor his offense to the personnel and the game situation (things really opened up when we were behind against Pitt).

 

[Whiskeyjack]

What kind of tempo will do people seeing the offense have next year. Will BK go with fast pace again or he is he committed to let the clock run and protect the defense mentality for the forseable future?

I don't think BK wants to play at warp speed all the time, because it doesn't fit the team's current identity: a low risk, ball control offense, which complements our smothering defense perfectly. The up-tempo pass-first spread BK ran at Cinci puts a lot of stress on the defense, and it's not necessary to take the risks inherent in that scheme when you can simply run over your opponents.

I do think we'll see more calculated hurry-ups, though. Chip Kelly is a master at doing this: when the defense is fresh and lines up quickly, Oregon slows down and tries to get a good pre-snap read. When the defense is tired and dying for a substitution, they go warp speed (and almost always score). I could definitely see BK doing that as Golson gets more comfortable.

 

[chicago51]

I just hope the premium is still going to be on defense. While team's like Oregon have solid defense, its usually not good enough to win a game for them when their offense slows.

I guess I can see Kelly and ND being simular to some of Urban Meyer's great Florida teams. I remember that there would be weeks when they would play a team like Kentucky and win like 52-20 playing really fast on offense. The score though would think myself well their defense might suspect giving up 20 to a team like that. Then a week later they would have a big game against say LSU and the shut them down and win like 17-3 in a grind out.

I guess I could see our defensive stats going down slightly but yet ND will be able still lean on the defense to win the big games.

 

[Dizzyphil]

I don't think BK wants to play at warp speed all the time, because it doesn't fit the team's current identity: a low risk, ball control offense, which complements our smothering defense perfectly. The up-tempo pass-first spread BK ran at Cinci puts a lot of stress on the defense, and it's not necessary to take the risks inherent in that scheme when you can simply run over your opponents.

I do think we'll see more calculated hurry-ups, though. Chip Kelly is a master at doing this: when the defense is fresh and lines up quickly, Oregon slows down and tries to get a good pre-snap read. When the defense is tired and dying for a substitution, they go warp speed (and almost always score). I could definitely see BK doing that as Golson gets more comfortable.

I couldn't agree more. I think the close games this year were more than BK wanted. I, like you, believe he will pick up the pace a little more if Golson is the starter next year. This will be something in the off-season that will be decided. BK will put the best QB out there and with Kiel, Golson, Hendrix, and possibly Zaire competing, one will just have to see what is going to happen with the speed of the offense.

God what a great problem the Irish have got themselves into.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!

Diz

 

[Bluto]

Not sure why he would want to change anything. If the offense was sinply more efficient in the red zone we would have beat every team on our schedule by a pretty comfortable margin with a couple more blowouts, USC being one of them.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Not sure why he would want to change anything. If the offense was sinply more efficient in the red zone we would have beat every team on our schedule by a pretty comfortable margin with a couple more blowouts, USC being one of them.

Agree with you on the efficiency statement. But if you look at most of the games, the Irish didn't start on the 20 or 15, most starts of the Red Zone offense started within the 10 yard line. Having 15 or 18 yards to work with rather than 35 or 40 is a little tough with a Red-Shirt freshman at QB and no 'power' full/running back. No excuse but reality. We could all arm-chair coach and say they should-a, could-a, would-a but, you know what....

We is in the BCS and that is all that matters..... !!!!!

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

Diz

 

[chicago51]

Agree with you on the efficiency statement. But if you look at most of the games, the Irish didn't start on the 20 or 15, most starts of the Red Zone offense started within the 10 yard line. Having 15 or 18 yards to work with rather than 35 or 40 is a little tough with a Red-Shirt freshman at QB and no 'power' full/running back. No excuse but reality. We could all arm-chair coach and say they should-a, could-a, would-a but, you know what....

We is in the BCS and that is all that matters..... !!!!!

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

Diz

Not critizing Kelly. He was awesome this year. It is more of question for the future. In the coming years when the offensive talent starts to catch up the defensive talent, what is Kelly going to do. What is going to be the priority. Yes you want be great at both, and ND I believe will be. You rarely ever see a team # 1 in scoring/total offense and # 1 in opponents scoring/total defense. With the pace of the game you innevitably sacrifice statistics in one area for the other.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Not critizing Kelly. He was awesome this year. It is more of question for the future. In the coming years when the offensive talent starts to catch up the defensive talent, what is Kelly going to do. What is going to be the priority. Yes you want be great at both, and ND I believe will be. You rarely ever see a team # 1 in scoring/total offense and # 1 in opponents scoring/total defense. With the pace of the game you innevitably sacrifice statistics in one area for the other.

Brother if anyone knew, they would or wouldn't put the Irish on their schedule. There are too many variables for an answer.....injuries, recruiting, turnovers, game tempo, score,.....girlfriends.....

Who knows??? When 1990 rolled around, ND was predicted to win two more NC's under Holtz.... the talent was definitely there, but unpredictable things happened... like losses...... LOL.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!

Diz

 

[chicago51]

Brother if anyone knew, they would or wouldn't put the Irish on their schedule. There are too many variables for an answer.....injuries, recruiting, turnovers, game tempo, score,.....girlfriends.....

Who knows??? When 1990 rolled around, ND was predicted to win two more NC's under Holtz.... the talent was definitely there, but unpredictable things happened... like losses...... LOL.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!

Diz

In Holtz's autobiography Wins Losses and Lessons he says that ND should have had 2 more national titles. In 89 they had the best record against the toughest schedule. They beat # 1 undefeated Colorado in the Orange Bowl. Lou said sure they lost to Miami on their turf but he says when the schedule was as tough as their schedule was you are bound to slip. He said that 89 team was perphaps actually better than 88 they just had one game they weren't at their best.

Then there was the 93 team. ND as usual played a tough schedule. ND 31 FSU 24 (I don't think I need say more than that).

 

[BleedBlueGold]

BK has stated numerous times that at his previous coaching stops, part of his job was to put people in the seats. A high scoring offense does that. At ND his #1 priority is winning football games. Evidence seems to be pointing in the direction of a ND team that looks similar to Alabama (as far as football is concerned). A rock solid defense and an offense that pounds the ball, controls the clock, limits turnovers, and passes when necessary to open up the field. Do I think BK will open up the playbook more than Saban? I do. But not like he did at previous stops.

 

[PraetorianND]

I hope we do what we did this year. 12-0

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I think all the timeouts and delay penalties show that there's a lot of room for improvement.

 

[chicago51]

I think all the timeouts and delay penalties show that there's a lot of room for improvement.

I hate when we have to burn a timeout because the play clock. Of everything great BK has done it seems to be area we just have not fixed the issue of having to do that. We have had issues in clock related timeouts and delays since 2010.

That being said noboby is perfect. BK is still the man.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

So whatever it takes to get the comfortable lead and finish it off with the run...

 

[Buster Bluth]

They well go at Golson's speed, whatever that is.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I hate when we have to burn a timeout because the play clock. Of everything great BK has done it seems to be area we just have not fixed the issue of having to do that. We have had issues in clock related timeouts and delays since 2010.

That being said noboby is perfect. BK is still the man.

I think we have to look at the common variable all three years, a new QB. I think the lack of continuity behind center was the cause of the clock screw ups. Ofcourse it's maddening to watch, but it's expected. I don't think it was a deficiency on BK, rather ugly growing pains.

But I think Kelly will be a tactician. Hell have the capability to go a 100 miles an hour or slow it down and strangle the clock along with the defenses will to play. Too much speed can be contained and too much power can be overcome. The worst fear of a defense is an offense that can play both games and turn either on in the blink of an eye. I think our playbook will expand greatly, even for the NC game, but I think we have our offensive identity. It's just a matter of becoming more efficient at it.

 

[arrowryan]

I could see it being a little quicker because Golson will have a season under his belt but not much. I love this spread/pro style hybrid that Kelly is running. We will still have a solid line to run behind and I think we could have a couple bruisers running the ball (Mahone and Bryant).

No need to run an Oregon type offense. I would like to see a faster no huddle but other than that, I like it the way it is