Offensive Coordinator Search

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

It appears the only fresh blood needed is in relationship to communicating with the players. The offensive numbers weren't that bad. Room for improvement yes, but the O wasn't a dumpster fire.

From Kelly's statement and reading between the lines, I think either Tommy or Taylor will end up the OC. My money is on Tommy. Look for Quinn to get moved to another position and a new line coach to be hired.

My money is on them sharing those duties.

And I would like some fresh ideas in the mix but I'm not certain you need to go outside the organization to get that. Urban Meyer was an assistant coach working under Bob F******* Davie's dinosaur of an offensive system.

I guess what I'm saying is that I won't complain about an internal hire even if it doesn't really excite me. Rees is an unknown quantity due to his youth and inexperience and Taylor has worked with Stanford and in the NFL so there's no reason to think his vision of the offense is just BK warmed over. Given Stanford's rushing attack when Taylor was there I would be excited to see some of that with ND.

I would be least excited for Jeff Quinn to be in that seat but it sounds like that won't happen. If BK was just looking for a new Molnar to be a substitute BK then Quinn is the obvious move. Since he doesn't appear to be a consideration I am hopeful that whoever gets the job will be there because they have something to add.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Suprised no one mentioned Will Hall from Tulane on this tread.... unless I missed it. Maybe not because of the close relationship with C Long, but dude coaches TE's and appears to run a good offense. Pretty sure Lucky or NDC mentioned him somewhere else.

I had brought Will Hall up about a month ago as a possibility. I'd love if BK gave him an interview.

 

[IrishLion]

If it's not Reese/Taylor:

Hire Justin Frye from UCLA as OC/OL coach.

Hire Vince Marrow to coach TE's [recruit everyone]. If you can't get him, move Quinn there.

 

[GreenGemsOmally]

Go steal Vince Marrow.

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Why him? I haven't been all that thrilled with Kentucky, offensively. Their offense was ranked 86th this year. They only went 7-5 and their offense didn't seem like it did much against decent teams. 21 points vs Florida, 7 points against SCar, 20 vs Arkansas, 0 vs UGA, 7 vs Missouri, 45 vs Louisville, 38 vs Vanderbilt.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2019-team-offense.html

https://fbschedules.com/kentucky-football-schedule/

 

[IrishLion]

Why him? I haven't been all that thrilled with Kentucky, offensively. Their offense was ranked 86th this year. They only went 7-5 and their offense didn't seem like it did much against decent teams. 21 points vs Florida, 7 points against SCar, 20 vs Arkansas, 0 vs UGA, 7 vs Missouri, 45 vs Louisville, 38 vs Vanderbilt.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2019-team-offense.html

https://fbschedules.com/kentucky-football-schedule/

He's an ace recruiter and good TE coach.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Why him? I haven't been all that thrilled with Kentucky, offensively. Their offense was ranked 86th this year. They only went 7-5 and their offense didn't seem like it did much against decent teams. 21 points vs Florida, 7 points against SCar, 20 vs Arkansas, 0 vs UGA, 7 vs Missouri, 45 vs Louisville, 38 vs Vanderbilt.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2019-team-offense.html

https://fbschedules.com/kentucky-football-schedule/

He's a great recruiter. Beau, Lion, and even TTown all agree on this

 

[GreenGemsOmally]

He's a great recruiter. Beau, Lion, and even TTown all agree on this

Think he'd go from Associate Head Coach at UK to TE/Recruiting here? Doubtful. But that's good to know, makes sense.

 

[Irish#1]

Think he'd go from Associate Head Coach at UK to TE/Recruiting here? Doubtful. But that's good to know, makes sense.

Why not? Afterall it is Kentucky.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Think he'd go from Associate Head Coach at UK to TE/Recruiting here? Doubtful. But that's good to know, makes sense.

Money talks. Is there another Assistant Head Coach title for BK to throw out?

 

[GreenGemsOmally]

Why not? Afterall it is Kentucky.

Sure, but Polian is already Recruiting coordinator and he's done a solid job IMO. Marrow might be a good coach but to me it just sounds like we'd be shuffling things to offer him just because, not necessarily because he's a fit for a position we have.

I could definitely be wrong though, a lot of other people are more keyed into what would work best for the program.

 

[snoopdog]

Think he'd go from Associate Head Coach at UK to TE/Recruiting here? Doubtful. But that's good to know, makes sense.

How about...……….. Super Associate Head Coach and TE/Recruiting

 

[NDMIA]

Vince Marrow is not coming to ND. Sorry. He’s actually the highest paid TE coach in the country. He’s making $625,000 in 2020 and ND isn’t topping that for just a position coach. I am a huge fan of Marrow and I’d love for him to come and I thought he could be poached but after seeing he’s the #2 in the program bad makes $100,000 more than the second highest paid TE coach in the country, I realize he’s there unless someone comes with an OC role for him. I don’t think ND will come with the OC role for him so I believe he’s not coming to ND for just a position coach role.

 

[charlyp123]

I heard that Rees called the last four games. I think that's especially interesting because that's when the offense really took off again. It's also when Book started to play better. Still not sure I would hire Tommy as an OC but he's smart and worth keeping an eye on. I also heard that Long was greatly disliked by many of the players for being a "hardass". Maybe this was a move to keep Book around? Not sure. Either way, the bowl game should be interesting. And the only thing I know for sure is that Quinn should be fired. But I doubt Kelly has the stones to do it.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I have seen Lax say that Tommy was calling plays the last 4 games, but that is the only place I have seen or heard that. Does not mean it is not true, but I would like to hear that come out of the GUG or from another source as well.

 

[BabyIrish]

I have seen Lax say that Tommy was calling plays the last 4 games, but that is the only place I have seen or heard that. Does not mean it is not true, but I would like to hear that come out of the GUG or from another source as well.

Didn't Kelly say something along the lines that Rees helped script the gameplan for the passing game in his most recent PC?

 

[dad4aa]

Didn't Kelly say something along the lines that Rees helped script the gameplan for the passing game in his most recent PC?

Yes he did.

 

[Luckylucci]

I have seen Lax say that Tommy was calling plays the last 4 games, but that is the only place I have seen or heard that. Does not mean it is not true, but I would like to hear that come out of the GUG or from another source as well.

Well, I think that was a patch up job, after the fact, by the ND media. It was seemingly fairly well known that there was significant changes to the offense. Heck, you could see it on the field. Now after the class has been saved, thanks to Long for some help there, we've seen a lot of mea culpas from the ND media. Don't think that was a coincidence.

 

[Irishize]

Well, I think that was a patch up job, after the fact, by the ND media. It was seemingly fairly well known that there was significant changes to the offense. Heck, you could see it on the field. Now after the class has been saved, thanks to Long for some help there, we've seen a lot of mea culpas from the ND media. Don't think that was a coincidence.

I agree. I did hear Sampson & Fortuna say that Rees has never called a play when talking about him as a possible OC...similar to when Lea took the DC job.

 

[Irish#1]

Sure, but Polian is already Recruiting coordinator and he's done a solid job IMO. Marrow might be a good coach but to me it just sounds like we'd be shuffling things to offer him just because, not necessarily because he's a fit for a position we have.

I could definitely be wrong though, a lot of other people are more keyed into what would work best for the program.

I guess I should have used italics.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Well, I think that was a patch up job, after the fact, by the ND media. It was seemingly fairly well known that there was significant changes to the offense. Heck, you could see it on the field. Now after the class has been saved, thanks to Long for some help there, we've seen a lot of mea culpas from the ND media. Don't think that was a coincidence.

Sure, it was one of those things where I didn't doubt the info, and in fact thought it seemed accurate, just didn't have anything definitive.

 

[Irish#1]

Well, I think that was a patch up job, after the fact, by the ND media. It was seemingly fairly well known that there was significant changes to the offense. Heck, you could see it on the field. Now after the class has been saved, thanks to Long for some help there, we've seen a lot of mea culpas from the ND media. Don't think that was a coincidence.

Yeah when Book goes long more in one game than he did the entire season it was like "WTF? Where was this all season long?" lol

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Yeah when Book goes long more in one game than he did the entire season it was like "WTF? Where was this all season long?" lol

Do you think that was Tommy? It looked like the shot plays were called earlier, but Book didn't "throw the damn ball" as BK was seen yelling on the sideline.

I am interested in what other differences you guys were seeing. I mean the O did look like it was taking more chances late, less stupid WR screens, but the run game was still nowhere to be found.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Any timelines on a hire/decision?

 

[BeauBenken]

Why him? I haven't been all that thrilled with Kentucky, offensively. Their offense was ranked 86th this year. They only went 7-5 and their offense didn't seem like it did much against decent teams. 21 points vs Florida, 7 points against SCar, 20 vs Arkansas, 0 vs UGA, 7 vs Missouri, 45 vs Louisville, 38 vs Vanderbilt.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2019-team-offense.html

https://fbschedules.com/kentucky-football-schedule/

As mentioned by others, I mean specifically for role of TE coach/recruiting/assistant head coach.

If we promote from within for OC, I think that whatever position guy we bring in should be the best of the best. Even if that means ponying up more money for a position coach than we ever have before.

I'd also point out that in reference to Kentucky's offense (which I am not concerned about that because I would not hire Marrow as an OC), they lost all their starting quarterbacks and essentially became an option team by the end of the season. Some Kentucky fans are calling it Stoops' greatest coach feat yet as they still made it to a bowl game and smoke Louisville who was much improved this year.

 

[Irish#1]

Do you think that was Tommy? It looked like the shot plays were called earlier, but Book didn't "throw the damn ball" as BK was seen yelling on the sideline.

I am interested in what other differences you guys were seeing. I mean the O did look like it was taking more chances late, less stupid WR screens, but the run game was still nowhere to be found.

I think part of it was Tommy designing some plays, but I also think it was Book finally not giving a crap about what everyone was saying. After he decided to forget about social media and just play without regards to the comments, the O took off. IIRC, it was Tommy who told him to get off social media.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

As mentioned by others, I mean specifically for role of TE coach/recruiting/assistant head coach.

If we promote from within for OC, I think that whatever position guy we bring in should be the best of the best. Even if that means ponying up more money for a position coach than we ever have before.

I'd also point out that in reference to Kentucky's offense (which I am not concerned about that because I would not hire Marrow as an OC), they lost all their starting quarterbacks and essentially became an option team by the end of the season. Some Kentucky fans are calling it Stoops' greatest coach feat yet as they still made it to a bowl game and smoke Louisville who was much improved this year.

If you're not going to reshuffle anybody else then a TE coach should bring something else to the table. As others are suggesting I would hope for a guy who can do more than pull his weight in recruiting. But I think you can find that combo in a young and inexperienced coach that BK views as an up-and-comer.

I feel like that might benefit the program more than an established and grizzled TE coach who is just an OK recruiter. ND doesn't need the Ed Warriner of TE coaches, I don't think.

 

[goldandblue]

I am in camp Rees. Give him a shot.

 

[dublinirish]

Any timelines on a hire/decision?

post - bowl game right?

 

[Wingman Ray]

I am in camp Rees. Give him a shot.

The Rees experience COULD be like your mother in law visiting; once she is in, it is a heck of a time getting her out.

So if he succeeds, BK looks brilliant

If he fails, we have another BVG that may take years of "giving a chance" before the experiment ends while ND wallows.

Anything less is BK the scrooge.

 

[Luckylucci]

post - bowl game right?

That's what BK said.