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[Irish YJ]

You should quit trying so hard on the Quinn hate / HH worship.

This is ND's least mobile OL in forever BUT still asked to pull on slow developing plays instead of mauling and that ain't Quinn's fault. Banks/Patterson/TK are no where near as effective in space as Q/Musti/Bars. ND at it's best was McG / Q doing their thing on the left side and then Bars & TE kicking left and opening tunnels for Adams. Often times that followed one or two prodding runs right setting up the play left. Go back and watch how many times Adams and Dex had a gaping hole w/ just a LB or SS to beat in space before they were off to the races on huge chunk plays. TBH, I think Bars be the biggest factor in all of this.

As a fan watching the game, I don't like Kelly's scheme because it produces so many ugly stuff plays BUT it's effective in the same way two right jabs followed by and overhand left are... especially in the McG/Q/Bars/elite college RB era.

The long TJJ run vs ISU shows that there are variations to look forward to. They didn't pull the RG at all, instead:

1. They lined Tremble up at FB (love) and he makes the LAST block actually.

2. Finke dives inside and takes out an LB or S. (He was f***ing money blocking that game)

3. TE kicks out the ROLB

4. Eich engages the DE, peels off and walls off the Mike. At the same time, Banks reengages the same DE and the wall is built.

5. ISU's only hope was if the FS could make the play. He diagnoses it correctly but he;s not fast enough to get to TJJ in the one gap he had a shot at him.

The blocking on the left side was basically perfection.

If there was anything to change it's the use of the other WR. They tried to use the threat of a quick step back pass to freeze the CB but he does a good job not biting and chases down TJJ at the 15. TJJ had to grab him by the facemask and pull him into the endzone for the TD. Obviously, it should have been a flag and ND's ball at the 30. They should have engaged the that WR and occupied him. If there is anything ND's receivers do way above average, that's blocking.

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Let's not act like ISU had a great DL. Their FO metrics are mediocre to bad in both phases, and that was mostly in the B12.

I do agree that we tried to get too cute in run blocking scheme, and would have preferred to block downhill and manned up.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Do people just forget about 2017? Do they just forget about lining up against Stanford the last two seasons and running down their throat? BK doesn’t call plays, and hasn’t for a while. The OC has full control of the plays sent to the field

Stanford has been crap the last two seasons. With our OLman we should do that to most on our schedule, and be competitive in every game. No excuses, we have the talent. As far as BK he may not be calling plays but he absolutely has everything to do with our entire team. His job depends on it. If he doesn’t like it, it’s not happening, guaranteed.

 

[BobbyMac]

Let's not act like ISU had a great DL. Their FO metrics are mediocre to bad in both phases, and that was mostly in the B12.

I do agree that we tried to get too cute in run blocking scheme, and would have preferred to block downhill and manned up.

I wasn't propping up ISU at all. I was only talking about the one play which... if executed like that, prolly works on everyone this side of the '85 Bears.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Think about everyone on the coaching staff, few have left to more prominent roles. It seems as if you go against the grain then your days are numbered. If he doesn’t like it, it’s not happening. I’m not taking up for Chip Long by no means. But, maybe he was trying to do things that BK wasn’t comfortable, or happy with. Regarding scheme only. It’s very difficult working for a bad manager.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Some people get a pass for being a straight forward hard nose coach, some get railroaded. Maybe not all of the fall out is strictly on Chip Long.

 

[dad4aa]

Some people get a pass for being a straight forward hard nose coach, some get railroaded. Maybe not all of the fall out is strictly on Chip Long.

So Chip Long has been out for awhile...what jobs has he interviewed for and even had his name mentioned? His past previous stints had openings and he wasn't even considered.

 

[BobbyMac]

Some people get a pass for being a straight forward hard nose coach, some get railroaded. Maybe not all of the fall out is strictly on Chip Long.

He's the one who players were having trouble with. BK did the right thing.

...and just like in the real world, if you aren't living up to your boss's expectations... you gone.

 

[BobbyMac]

So Chip Long has been out for awhile...what jobs has he interviewed for and even had his name mentioned? His past previous stints had openings and he wasn't even considered.

There's always paid analyst in Tuscaloosa until Cutty Sark reemerges.

 

[Irish YJ]

I wasn't propping up ISU at all. I was only talking about the one play which... if executed like that, prolly works on everyone this side of the '85 Bears.

Point is, our execution is also subject to opponent talent (in addition to our talent and scheme). Doubt we are capable of executing like that vs for example scUM.

I'm not totally anti Quinn at this point, but with Long gone, we better see improvement this year assuming he remains OL Coach. If not, I'm totally on the fire Quinn train.

 

[BGIF]

So Chip Long has been out for awhile...what jobs has he interviewed for and even had his name mentioned? His past previous stints had openings and he wasn't even considered.

Ouch!

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I don't do "film sessions". Anyone who does is probably a bum.

But I watch games and multiple times, every game, for a second I'd say "there it is, they have it blocked", only for 4.9 Tony Jones to get there so slowly it closed, or Jafar to just miss the lane all together and run into a defender.

My point has been consistent. They aren't LSU's OL, but they consistently opened lanes that should have added 30, 40, 50 yards each game that the running backs were simply too poor to capitalize on.

And adding 40 YPG on the ground is significant.

Well if we made a pot of coffee, sat down, and watched film from 2019 I could show you how inconsistent they were being able to physically dominate inferior opponents, and how 3rd and short was like 3rd and 15.

 

[AllGoldEverything]

I don't do "film sessions". Anyone who does is probably a bum.

But I watch games and multiple times, every game, for a second I'd say "there it is, they have it blocked", only for 4.9 Tony Jones to get there so slowly it closed, or Jafar to just miss the lane all together and run into a defender.

My point has been consistent. They aren't LSU's OL, but they consistently opened lanes that should have added 30, 40, 50 yards each game that the running backs were simply too poor to capitalize on.

And adding 40 YPG on the ground is significant.

People who do film sessions are bums HAHAHAAHA. I am a high school football coach so I do film sessions ALL the time....maybe that makes me a bum. I also rewatch ND games because I am a huge fan... again, I must be a bum. ND's Oline has issues...there is no doubt...but they also have issues with their RB's.

I am bummed to hear that Quinn does not focus on technique enough, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

As far as my opinion on you Koon.....You make things entertaining...but don't call people who do this regularly bums.... youre making yourself look bad.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

NM - W 66-14 591 total yds
BG - W 52 - 0 573 total yds


Meechicken - Irish laid an egg


So, why are we pissed about the NM and BG games???? I don't care if NM Game 590 of the yards were all passing, and 570 were all passing against BG..



BTW - 150 rushing NM / 233 rushing BG

Stats can be misleading, both positive and negative. Watch how the 2017 O line dominated teams like Temple and NC State, then watch how they looked against NM and BG and it'll make sense.

Note: the 2017 Temple and NC State teams were a lot better than the 2019 BG and NM teams. A lot.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Sorry, but no.

To say scheme and RBs have nothing to do with it is being incredibly shortsighted. It has almost EVERYTHING to do with it.

ND's blocking scheme is power-based, rather than zone-based, which means the line pulls and has more precise man assignments compared to a zone-blocking scheme like you would see more out of Ohio State or Clemson. This leads to what many have complained about: the slow developing run plays.

This is done, because ND lacks any sort of explosive runner at the RB position. You don't have anybody who can consistently get to the right hole with quickness like a JK Dobbins or a Travis Etienne.

With those offenses, OL doesn't have to pull or hold their block as long as our offense does, because a guy like Dobbins doesn't need that much time to get to the next level, whereas a back like Jones, does.

Not only that, but the old adage of you practice what you preach is in effect. I am of the firm belief that ND did not believe that it was going to win with it's run game and didn't emphasize it during the offseason. When you don't emphasize run blocking, you're just not going to be good at it. This is 2014 level stuff all over again.

It was apparent not only by the content being provided across the ND media spectrum, but how the offensive gameplan was constructed. One only needs to look at the Georgia game to see how ND did everything in their power to give the ball to anyone EXCEPT a traditional running back on a regular carry. Not saying it was a bad gameplan necessarily in hindsight, but it shows exactly that ND wasn't good at the power run because they didn't practice the power run. That's not a OL coach issue. That is a OC issue.

Mike and the guys at ISD had a great Power Hour last Monday on the subject and it was incredibly enlightening on the subject of the run blocking scheme implemented and why it led to the struggles we had.


Scheme matters. Talent at RB matters. Combine those with a lack of emphasis on the run during the offseason and injuries to several key starters (3 of them), you end up with this result.

Josh Adams wasn't close to "explosive" yet the 2017 O line made him a Heisman contender. On his best day he might have run a 4.7 forty lol.

The idea that you claim, based on nothing, that ND didn't emphasize run blocking in the offseason is why people make fun of your youtube videos. Sorry.

I'm still waiting to hear for the perfect "scheme" so we can watch 315 pound ND O linemen toss around 250 pound D tackles on third and short.

And then I'll ask this...if BK let go of Quinn tomorrow (he won't) who in the top 25 would be calling him up to be their O line coach? Think about it.

 

[WilliamWallace]

So Chip Long has been out for awhile...what jobs has he interviewed for and even had his name mentioned? His past previous stints had openings and he wasn't even considered.

Awhile? Not even a month, and what did I just say. These guys aren’t leaving for bigger and better things.

 

[WilliamWallace]

I said he may not be all of the problem

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You should quit trying so hard on the Quinn hate / HH worship.

This is ND's least mobile OL in forever BUT still asked to pull on slow developing plays instead of mauling and that ain't Quinn's fault. Banks/Patterson/TK are no where near as effective in space as Q/Musti/Bars. ND at it's best was McG / Q doing their thing on the left side and then Bars & TE kicking left and opening tunnels for Adams. Often times that followed one or two prodding runs right setting up the play left. Go back and watch how many times Adams and Dex had a gaping hole w/ just a LB or SS to beat in space before they were off to the races on huge chunk plays. TBH, I think Bars be the biggest factor in all of this.

As a fan watching the game, I don't like Kelly's scheme because it produces so many ugly stuff plays BUT it's effective in the same way two right jabs followed by and overhand left are... especially in the McG/Q/Bars/elite college RB era.

The long TJJ run vs ISU shows that there are variations to look forward to. They didn't pull the RG at all, instead:

1. They lined Tremble up at FB (love) and he makes the LAST block actually.

2. Finke dives inside and takes out an LB or S. (He was f***ing money blocking that game)

3. TE kicks out the ROLB

4. Eich engages the DE, peels off and walls off the Mike. At the same time, Banks reengages the same DE and the wall is built.

5. ISU's only hope was if the FS could make the play. He diagnoses it correctly but he;s not fast enough to get to TJJ in the one gap he had a shot at him.

The blocking on the left side was basically perfection.

If there was anything to change it's the use of the other WR. They tried to use the threat of a quick step back pass to freeze the CB but he does a good job not biting and chases down TJJ at the 15. TJJ had to grab him by the facemask and pull him into the endzone for the TD. Obviously, it should have been a flag and ND's ball at the 30. They should have engaged the that WR and occupied him. If there is anything ND's receivers do way above average, that's blocking.

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Is Harry Heistand the only way ND can get better production on the O line? Gosh no. Should ND fans expect better results from Jeff Quinn in year 3? I would love to see it but I doubt it.

Should ND always have a top 10-15 O line coach and unit? Yep, and ND can't afford not to.

 

[WilliamWallace]

He's the one who players were having trouble with. BK did the right thing.

...and just like in the real world, if you aren't living up to your boss's expectations... you gone.[/So I’m not going to get into a drawn out argument, but sometimes the boss is the issue. As I said earlier, I’m not defending Chip Long, but a lot of his issues may be BK. Just like the real world the boss isn’t always right.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Josh Adams wasn't close to "explosive" yet the 2017 O line made him a Heisman contender. On his best day he might have run a 4.7 forty lol.

The idea that you claim, based on nothing, that ND didn't emphasize run blocking in the offseason is why people make fun of your youtube videos. Sorry.

I'm still waiting to hear for the perfect "scheme" so we can watch 315 pound ND O linemen toss around 250 pound D tackles on third and short.

And then I'll ask this...if BK let go of Quinn tomorrow (he won't) who in the top 25 would be calling him up to be their O line coach? Think about it.

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He ran a 4.48 at his pro day.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spo...ard-dash-time-pro-day/ENFi0BHFglFLVFsD2KHMJN/

 

[Dizzyphil]

Stats can be misleading, both positive and negative. Watch how the 2017 O line dominated teams like Temple and NC State, then watch how they looked against NM and BG and it'll make sense.

Note: the 2017 Temple and NC State teams were a lot better than the 2019 BG and NM teams. A lot.

Since you want to keep on about it.... the Irish won and you are beating a dead-horse on the OL


so quit crying because guess what, the two games you included in = your own argument = NM and BG, THE IRISH WON BIG



Jesus we need a crybaby section

 

[Dizzyphil]

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He ran a 4.48 at his pro day.

https://www.daytondailynews.com/spo...ard-dash-time-pro-day/ENFi0BHFglFLVFsD2KHMJN/

TY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BGIF]

People who do film sessions are bums HAHAHAAHA. I am a high school football coach so I do film sessions ALL the time....maybe that makes me a bum. I also rewatch ND games because I am a huge fan... again, I must be a bum. ND's Oline has issues...there is no doubt...but they also have issues with their RB's.

I am bummed to hear that Quinn does not focus on technique enough, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

As far as my opinion on you Koon.....You make things entertaining...but don't call people who do this regularly bums.... youre making yourself look bad.

Common coach, that his forte. He's very good at it.

 

[WilliamWallace]

Is Harry Heistand the only way ND can get better production on the O line? Gosh no. Should ND fans expect better results from Jeff Quinn in year 3? I would love to see it but I doubt it.

Should ND always have a top 10-15 O line coach and unit? Yep, and ND can't afford not to.

Sorry if I’m not as articulate as some but this is exactly my point. There’s no excuse for what’s been shown the last several years. Regardless of the OL coach, the OC, or the head coach. If they can’t figure it out with what they have at their disposal then they never will.

 

[Circa]

I don't do "film sessions". Anyone who does is probably a bum.

But I watch games and multiple times, every game, for a second I'd say "there it is, they have it blocked", only for 4.9 Tony Jones to get there so slowly it closed, or Jafar to just miss the lane all together and run into a defender.

My point has been consistent. They aren't LSU's OL, but they consistently opened lanes that should have added 30, 40, 50 yards each game that the running backs were simply too poor to capitalize on.

And adding 40 YPG on the ground is significant.

Or... A coach.

Maybe a wannabe....



In Spice Girl style...



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[Ndaccountant]

Since you want to keep on about it.... the Irish won and you are beating a dead-horse on the OL


so quit crying because guess what, the two games you included in = your own argument = NM and BG, THE IRISH WON BIG



Jesus we need a crybaby section

It's a valid point to state that ND running game disappointed in 2019, notably in big games. It is fair to say that the run game, in general, needs an overhaul. ND simply can't, and won't, take the next step until that gets corrected.

 

[Dizzyphil]

It's a valid point to state that ND running game disappointed in 2019, notably in big games. It is fair to say that the run game, in general, needs an overhaul. ND simply can't, and won't, take the next step until that gets corrected.

If it was an argument about the running game ....




It's not.... it's been about the OL... over and over and over...

 

[Ndaccountant]

If it was an argument about the running game ....




It's not.... it's been about the OL... over and over and over...

TBF, the OL is intrinsically linked to the running game, no?

I have no dog in this hunt, but I think its accurate to say Quinn should be on alert. Scheme, RB's, technique, or whatever it was, it was not a great look. I am personally not fond of him, but whatever.

 

[Circa]

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[Pops Freshenmeyer]

It's a valid point to state that ND running game disappointed in 2019, notably in big games. It is fair to say that the run game, in general, needs an overhaul. ND simply can't, and won't, take the next step until that gets corrected.

I agree!

But ND has:

Pushed out the RB coach
Hired one of the best RB coaches in the business
Signed a five star back
Parted with the OC
And re-schemed their running game for the CW bowl.

That’s a lot of changes over course of a calendar year. I feel like ND is addressing the issue.

 

[Dizzyphil]

TBF, the OL is intrinsically linked to the running game, no?

I have no dog in this hunt, but I think its accurate to say Quinn should be on alert. Scheme, RB's, technique, or whatever it was, it was not a great look. I am personally not fond of him, but whatever.

so,



Long's play calling....
Injuries
Opposing D-lines loading the box (based on the past three years of O-line/run games)
Running backs slow to make decisions (see earlier posted vids)


But, I digress... it is entirely Quinn and the OL's fault