Notre Dame needs Speed!

[tankjeep]

Then you should agree with me totally. HIRED.

i totally agree.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

I agree with the team needing more speed. I'm not getting into Biomechanics. I just agree plain and simple. And i also I agree them needing them to know to be in the right place so that they can play faster. THAT BEING SAID--

One thing i do know is..............


That when i started the DeSales University football program in NCAA Football 09 for PS3, I didnt get the 5 stars right away, or even the 4 stars. I just recruited all 1-2-3 stars who ran the fastest 40 times and in 3 years DSU was in the National Championship with 2 people in the Heisman Race- Donald Stevens and Mark Strobl- they were running High 4.2 and low 4.3 respectively by the end of their DSU career. So maybe you can teach speed- I improved those guys so much maybe i should be a S&C coach. Holler!

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I don't think that was so great a post...

Just trying to provide some positive reinforcement.

 

[NDOM]

Wait till the fall. You will see a team with speed. Our offense had plenty of it this last year. It was our defense that lacked it. You will see that change this year with the new training programs

Umm sorry to say this but you cant teach speed. You either have it or you dont. I do on the other hand think that with the new training program that we SHOULD be in better SHAPE, but you just CANT teach speed. Its impossible. You are either fast or not.

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

True to a degree because you can refine a kids running, teaching them proper technique can improve their 'times' but your not going to take a guy running 5.0 - 40's and make him a 4.5 guy.
And how often in football are your running in a straightline? Ability to move laterally and cut and flip the hips, etc etc are all keys to being a 'fast' player.
I agree some kids just have this ability naturally but you can refine tecnique that will help make them 'faster' but at the end of the day.....you are right in that either you have it...or they don't, your not going to drastically improve a kid.

 

[tankjeep]

True to a degree because you can refine a kids running, teaching them proper technique can improve their 'times' but your not going to take a guy running 5.0 - 40's and make him a 4.5 guy.
And how often in football are your running in a straightline? Ability to move laterally and cut and flip the hips, etc etc are all keys to being a 'fast' player.
I agree some kids just have this ability naturally but you can refine tecnique that will help make them 'faster' but at the end of the day.....you are right in that either you have it...or they don't, your not going to drastically improve a kid.

i agree. you can only improve their relative speed, that's it.

 

[IrishBlood81]

What about Theo Riddick? He was supposed to be this dynamic fastest dude on the team. Maybe he can have a break out year and get us some speed.

@Mbecka dude...whats your problem? and you never answered whether English was your first language or not.


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[NDinL.A.]

We absolutely need more team speed, and of course, more execution. But I always wish we had the team speed you see in the SEC.

As far as teaching speed, well, you can improve speed, but you can't get a guy to be FL fast if he just isn't born with it. I think Longo will help, but we need to get guys that are naturally fast.

But let's be honest, a lot of those guys with FL and USC speed just aren't getting into ND, sad to say. (they have more arrests...and more wins.) That's why it's imperative that fast guys with ND on their radar are recruited and closed. We win this year, you'll see Kelly close on those guys next year...

 

[mbeckha]

i agree. you can only improve their relative speed, that's it.

How do you do that?

 

[mbeckha]

What about Theo Riddick? He was supposed to be this dynamic fastest dude on the team. Maybe he can have a break out year and get us some speed.

@Mbecka dude...whats your problem? and you never answered whether English was your first language or not.


puravida
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English is my sixth launguage. Why?

 

[mbeckha]

Umm sorry to say this but you cant teach speed. You either have it or you dont. I do on the other hand think that with the new training program that we SHOULD be in better SHAPE, but you just CANT teach speed. Its impossible. You are either fast or not.

Really its whether or not you body has a majority of type IIb muscle fibers or not. Now the researchers are claiming a Type IIx fiber that result in the most fastest muscle contractions ever, which is said to be inhereted from the northern africans only. Everything can be increased, but it is very marginal. When I was a strength coach, I think we had less than two percent of the team increase thier forty by more than two tenth's of a second in thier four years there. But a great post I must say.

 

[BGIF]

i agree. you can only improve their relative speed, that's it.

And I agree with your statement above. Yes you can improve speed.

Yes you can teach speed. I know players at various positions who have improved speed through training.

You can't turn Sam Young into the Rocket. But you can take a lineman, a linebacker, a WR, a QB, a RB, an ice skater, a skier, a marathon racer faster through improved technique, honing muscles, building confidence.

Lou Holtz used to have Rocket visualize returning kickoffs for TDs. Rocket was quick but he also had incredible vision and found the seam quickly. He played faster.

Pete Carroll had Reggie Bush watch tapes of Barry Sanders or some other great running back to improve his vision and decision making. Bush already had speed but he also played faster.

Jim Ryun chased rabbits to improve his speed.

History is full of athletes that improved their speed through training and they have the clocked times to prove it.

"You can't teach speed" is one of the dumbest axioms in sports.

 

[mbeckha]

There is a BIG difference between sprinter speed, and football speed. Granted, if you are slow of foot, from a track standpoint, you will almost undoubtedly be slow of foot, from a football standpoint. But all of the sprinter speed in the world won't make a wit of a difference on the football field, if you are constantly in a bad position. People get too enamored with sprinter speed. Give me guys that are football fast.

By the way, the 88 National Championship team also had guys like Tony Rice, Ricky Watters, Chris Zorich, Michael Stonebreaker, Andy Heck, Tim Grunhard, Anthony Johnson, Frank Stams, Derek Brown, and Todd Lyght..........not just Rocket.[/QUOTE]

Now this my friend can be taught by great football coaches!

yes, rocket was not the only guy on the team.

 

[mbeckha]

And I agree with your statement above. Yes you can improve speed.

Yes you can teach speed. I know players at various positions who have improved speed through training.

[/B]. You can't turn Sam Young into the Rocket. But you can take a lineman, a linebacker, a WR, a QB, a RB, an ice skater, a skier, a marathon racer faster through improved technique, honing muscles, building confidence.

Lou Holtz used to have Rocket visualize returning kickoffs for TDs. Rocket was quick but he also had incredible vision and found the seam quickly. He played faster.

Pete Carroll had Reggie Bush watch tapes of Barry Sanders or some other great running back to improve his vision and decision making. Bush already had speed but he also played faster.

Jim Ryun chased rabbits to improve his speed.

History is full of athletes that improved their speed through training and they have the clocked times to prove it.

"You can't teach speed" is one of the dumbest axioms in sports.[/QUOTE]

Why Not?

Rocket was an elite track athlete, in fact he had the 60 meter indoor record at Notre dame, until allen rossoum broke it.

So how did reggie already have the speed, but rocket didn't?

Why not chase cars, there faster?


So basically "You can't turn Sam Young into the Rocket", but then "You can't teach speed" is one of the dumbest axioms in sports. hmmm.

Im really confused about your post.

 

[tankjeep]

How do you do that?

thru training genius. of course i thought you already knew that.

 

[tankjeep]

So basically "You can't turn Sam Young into the Rocket", but then "You can't teach speed" is one of the dumbest axioms in sports. hmmm.

Im really confused about your post.

you cannot be serious.

 

[mbeckha]

thru training genius. of course i thought you already knew that.

Are you gonna explain?

 

[mbeckha]

you cannot be serious.[/QUOTE

He wrote it. I wann know why we can't teach sam young to be as fast as the rocket?

You can answer for him if you think you can answer it?

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Umm sorry to say this but you cant teach speed. You either have it or you dont. I do on the other hand think that with the new training program that we SHOULD be in better SHAPE, but you just CANT teach speed. Its impossible. You are either fast or not.

Depends on what age you start. Speed can be improved. Football speed can be improved with proper execution and confidence in the system. Watch Boise State.

 

[tankjeep]

Are you gonna explain?

well, let's see....i coach high school soccer. i've played football a long time ago until i gave it up to pursue soccer. so i have my guys do assisted or resisted speed training. along with speed endruance training, plyometrics and strength training as well.

sprint uphill and sprint down hill. or they can use a chute as well for resistance or dragging weight behind them.

we do liverpool sprints involving groups of players running with each other.

hollow sprints - 30 yard sprints, 30 yard jog, 30 yard sprints.

wind sprints or suicides.

alternating stride length drills for shorter strides to longer strides.

indian run (regular and reverse) with two lines jogging around an area together while two people are sprinting to either catch the two lines or get in front of them.

the list goes on and on.

with soccer you have to combine anaerobic & aerobic exercises.

but you can train to get your "relative" speed up and do it longer. i teach them the proper running technique to be more efficient etc.

i probably missed quite a few exercises, but i'm sure i covered a enough that would aide in improving a players speed.

 

[tankjeep]

you cannot be serious.[/QUOTE

He wrote it. I wann know why we can't teach sam young to be as fast as the rocket?

You can answer for him if you think you can answer it?

shear size and build would prevent that from happening. i figured that'd be fairly obvious.

 

[jason_h537]

We got speed, Theo Riddick, Cierre Wood, Slaughter, Deion Walker, Hayseed, etc. We need defense.

 

[Junkhead]

Hayseed ran a 4.3 something, but looked lost on the field. Kyle Mccarthy was more like a 4.6, but he was always around the ball. I'd love to have elite speed all over the field, but football "smarts" is a large part of playing fast.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Hayseed ran a 4.3 something, but looked lost on the field. Kyle Mccarthy was more like a 4.6, but he was always around the ball. I'd love to have elite speed all over the field, but football "smarts" is a large part of playing fast.

Your right.. Smarts > Speed.... But both would be nice!

 

[TDHeysus]

2 things I see here. Speed, Quickness. Speed as it applies to the 'skill' positions. Quickenss as it applies to lineman.

Speed - cant be taught, you have it or you dont. you might get a kid with bad mechianics, and some speed can be inproved thru mechanics and proper running form (i.e running with your arms away from your body will slow you down; learn to keep arms closer to your body to improve speed; relaxed jaw when running, etc). But you are not going to turn Raghib Ismail into Usain Bolt, no matter how much training, or even with Kelly's legendary 'coaching up' skills. You cant get blood from a rock. Speed is an ability, just like intelligence. Some are naturally better at it than others. You can improve, but you will never get to the level of a 'naturally gifted' person.

Quickness - absolutely can be taught. Thru technique and repetition, lineman can be as fast as the fastest RB within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. After that, the speed will supercede the quickness and that RB (or skill player) will pull away.

Speed cant be taught anymore than you can teach someone to grow taller and bigger. You have it or you dont.

 

[mbeckha]

Depends on what age you start. Speed can be improved. Football speed can be improved with proper execution and confidence in the system. Watch Boise State.

Starting at a sooner age will always help one's maximal genetic potenial sooner. But potenial in speed in not limitless. You can not claim one has speed because he is aware of what is going on. That is called awareness. Proper execution and confidence is practiced through sport specific skill.

 

[mbeckha]

well, let's see....i coach high school soccer. i've played football a long time ago until i gave it up to pursue soccer. so i have my guys do assisted or resisted speed training. along with speed endruance training, plyometrics and strength training as well.

sprint uphill and sprint down hill. or they can use a chute as well for resistance or dragging weight behind them.

we do liverpool sprints involving groups of players running with each other.

hollow sprints - 30 yard sprints, 30 yard jog, 30 yard sprints.

wind sprints or suicides.

alternating stride length drills for shorter strides to longer strides.

indian run (regular and reverse) with two lines jogging around an area together while two people are sprinting to either catch the two lines or get in front of them.

the list goes on and on.

with soccer you have to combine anaerobic & aerobic exercises.

but you can train to get your "relative" speed up and do it longer. i teach them the proper running technique to be more efficient etc.

i probably missed quite a few exercises, but i'm sure i covered a enough that would aide in improving a players speed.

What do you consider relative speed by definition?

 

[mbeckha]

shear size and build would prevent that from happening. i figured that'd be fairly obvious.

Why would that matter? Please explain.

 

[mbeckha]

Hayseed ran a 4.3 something, but looked lost on the field. Kyle Mccarthy was more like a 4.6, but he was always around the ball. I'd love to have elite speed all over the field, but football "smarts" is a large part of playing fast.

Harrison plays fast. He does not play with awareness.

 

[mbeckha]

2 things I see here. Speed, Quickness. Speed as it applies to the 'skill' positions. Quickenss as it applies to lineman.

Speed - cant be taught, you have it or you dont. you might get a kid with bad mechianics, and some speed can be inproved thru mechanics and proper running form (i.e running with your arms away from your body will slow you down; learn to keep arms closer to your body to improve speed; relaxed jaw when running, etc). But you are not going to turn Raghib Ismail into Usain Bolt, no matter how much training, or even with Kelly's legendary 'coaching up' skills. You cant get blood from a rock. Speed is an ability, just like intelligence. Some are naturally better at it than others. You can improve, but you will never get to the level of a 'naturally gifted' person.

Quickness - absolutely can be taught. Thru technique and repetition, lineman can be as fast as the fastest RB within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. After that, the speed will supercede the quickness and that RB (or skill player) will pull away.

Speed cant be taught anymore than you can teach someone to grow taller and bigger. You have it or you dont.

ok

Why?

the smarter you are the faster you are. Is this true?

What makes a gifted athlete?
really? I would love to play your team.