Notre Dame needs Speed!

[mbeckha]

Why can ND never get elite speed athletes? Bennett Jackson is the only guy we have with real speed. Lo wood has decent speed. But we never will be champions without elite speed. Hence last time we won a championship we had a guy name the rocket.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

No major argument here. That's why the SEC is so dominant.

However, according to Rivals, Lo Wood has the 5th fastest 40 on the list (excluding Bernard, who decommitted today).

 

[notredomer23]

Why can ND never get elite speed athletes? Bennett Jackson is the only guy we have with real speed. Lo wood has decent speed. But we never will be champions without elite speed. Hence last time we won a championship we had a guy name the rocket.

Wait till the fall. You will see a team with speed. Our offense had plenty of it this last year. It was our defense that lacked it. You will see that change this year with the new training programs

 

[Junkhead]

We have plenty of speed, Weis' offense sure didn't utilize it all that well. On D Lambert ran a 4.3 at the combine, but he didn't play that fast.

 

[tko]

We have plenty of speed, Weis' offense sure didn't utilize it all that well. On D Lambert ran a 4.3 at the combine, but he didn't play that fast.

agree, he didn't play that fast b/c he had no fkn clue where he was supposed to be like a lot of the other guys on defense, i.e, harrison smith. i don't anticipate Kelly's team not knowing where they're supposed to be on the field at all times. those that are lost will find their way to the sideline real quick.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

agree, he didn't play that fast b/c he had no fkn clue where he was supposed to be like a lot of the other guys on defense, i.e, harrison smith. i don't anticipate Kelly's team not knowing where they're supposed to be on the field at all times. those that are lost will find their way to the sideline real quick.

Hope that's right. But, it's hard to deny the lack of ND grads showing well in the combine (Bruton as the exception). I suppose they were mostly Willingham recruits though.

We'll find out.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

ND needs speedy linebackers who can tackle and a few 350 pound studs like mt cody to stuff the run.

we should look at this year's alabama team for a recipe of how to build a defense. been saying that for months

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Hope that's right. But, it's hard to deny the lack of ND grads showing well in the combine (Bruton as the exception). I suppose they were mostly Willingham recruits though.

We'll find out.

Willingham has been gone for almost 6 years.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

ND needs speedy linebackers who can tackle and a few 350 pound studs like mt cody to stuff the run.

we should look at this year's alabama team for a recipe of how to build a defense. been saying that for months

The problem is Notre Dame doesn't have the staff that a school like Alabama has assembled to put pieces like that together.

I'd love if we could grab some Safety/LB hybrids and a huge run stuffer. Thats the type of football we should be playing.


I am very disappointed by the lack of speed in our DB recruits. I know I am not the only one, I hope each has either great strength or remarkable ball skills to make up for it.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Willingham has been gone for almost 6 years.

The transition class from Willingham to Weis included this year's 5th year seniors. McCarthy, Sharpley, etc. It also included Bruton.

The data are still being collected.

 

[mbeckha]

Wait till the fall. You will see a team with speed. Our offense had plenty of it this last year. It was our defense that lacked it. You will see that change this year with the new training programs

Are we talking about russian muscle fiber replacement here. lol The saying "you can't teach speed" is pretty accurate. You can get faster two ways. Stride length and stride frequency. Stride length can be help by biomechanics and strength. Stride frequency can be helped by practicing running as fast as you can. A body can only adapt to the stresses we place on it. In addition to those be as strong you as can pound for pound. Saying all that increases are minimal. Look at world class sprinters they will spend thier whole career trying to increase thier time in the 100 by tenths of a second.

 

[mbeckha]

We have plenty of speed, Weis' offense sure didn't utilize it all that well. On D Lambert ran a 4.3 at the combine, but he didn't play that fast.

Lambert was very fast. But that one on the whole team, overall team speed is what we need.

 

[Junkhead]

Lambert was very fast. But that one on the whole team, overall team speed is what we need.

No doubt we can use faster players, but my point was that we've had quite a few guys who had great 40 times at their position, only to have a scheme that make us seem slow. Allen ran a 4.31, Tate 4.4 or better, Harrison Smith 4.37, hell even Zibby ran a 4.45 or so at the combine. I totally agree that we need faster LBs, Teo is a big step in the right direction.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

We have plenty of speed, Weis' offense sure didn't utilize it all that well. On D Lambert ran a 4.3 at the combine, but he didn't play that fast.

This. In the spread, the players are going to look so fast. Especially Armando Allen. He's going to be amazing next year if he can stay healthy.

 

[johnnykillz]

Longo should have all players that weigh < 190 lbs 4.35ish by Fall. Basically, why accrue 5* talent when you pay Longo?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Longo should have all players that weigh < 190 lbs 4.35ish by Fall. Basically, why accrue 5* talent when you pay Longo?

hah....

 

[BGIF]

Speed is great. No doubt about it. I'll settle first for execution.

Effective blocking and tackling beats speed. Reading the blitz, hitting the hole, picking up the first unblocked defender instead of looking past him for somebody else 10 yds downfield to block, getting your body into the tackle instead of sticking out an arm, WRs coming back to the QB to help out when he's under pressure, showing lane discipline on kickoff coverage, knowing whether you're on the onsides kick team and what your job is, playing YOUR man against the Option and not playing the ball, are all things that DON'T require speed, they require execution.

Syracuse, Navy, et al had a lot less team speed than ND did. But ND played worse. Stupid penalties, offsides, blown coverages, players out of position, unforced errors were more a factor than ND's speed.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Are we talking about russian muscle fiber replacement here. lol The saying "you can't teach speed" is pretty accurate. You can get faster two ways. Stride length and stride frequency. Stride length can be help by biomechanics and strength. Stride frequency can be helped by practicing running as fast as you can. A body can only adapt to the stresses we place on it. In addition to those be as strong you as can pound for pound. Saying all that increases are minimal. Look at world class sprinters they will spend thier whole career trying to increase thier time in the 100 by tenths of a second.

Props on a pretty good post. Good info...no mocking.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Props on a pretty good post. Good info...no mocking.

I don't think that was so great a post, and I don't believe the guy is an AD anywhere. Of course you can teach speed. Did world class athletes start out as world class athletes, or did they spend their life working hard? His entire post seems to contradict itself. Besides, stride length and stride frequency pertain to athletes on the track more than football players.

Stride can be helped by biomechanics? Give me a break. Stride IS biomechanics. The study of the biomechanics of the stride is what can cause improvement, but more so on the track. Football requires quickness and confidence in your system and proper execution. What do stride length and stride frequency have to do with a 5 yard burst?
:banghead2

I agree with what BigIF. Junkhead, and tko are saying. Seems spot on.

 

[allnd1962]

neutured why don't you just say what you mean instead of him hawin'

 

[kmoose]

Are we talking about russian muscle fiber replacement here. lol The saying "you can't teach speed" is pretty accurate. You can get faster two ways. Stride length and stride frequency. Stride length can be help by biomechanics and strength. Stride frequency can be helped by practicing running as fast as you can. A body can only adapt to the stresses we place on it. In addition to those be as strong you as can pound for pound. Saying all that increases are minimal. Look at world class sprinters they will spend thier whole career trying to increase thier time in the 100 by tenths of a second.

There is a BIG difference between sprinter speed, and football speed. Granted, if you are slow of foot, from a track standpoint, you will almost undoubtedly be slow of foot, from a football standpoint. But all of the sprinter speed in the world won't make a wit of a difference on the football field, if you are constantly in a bad position. People get too enamored with sprinter speed. Give me guys that are football fast.

By the way, the 88 National Championship team also had guys like Tony Rice, Ricky Watters, Chris Zorich, Michael Stonebreaker, Andy Heck, Tim Grunhard, Anthony Johnson, Frank Stams, Derek Brown, and Todd Lyght..........not just Rocket.

 

[mbeckha]

Longo should have all players that weigh < 190 lbs 4.35ish by Fall. Basically, why accrue 5* talent when you pay Longo?

In what world is that possible?

 

[Steve]

In what world is that possible?

In jonnykillz' world of superior knowledge.




Sorry. lol

 

[mbeckha]

I don't think that was so great a post, and I don't believe the guy is an AD anywhere. Of course you can teach speed. Did world class athletes start out as world class athletes, or did they spend their life working hard? His entire post seems to contradict itself. Besides, stride length and stride frequency pertain to athletes on the track more than football players.

Stride can be helped by biomechanics? Give me a break. Stride IS biomechanics. The study of the biomechanics of the stride is what can cause improvement, but more so on the track. Football requires quickness and confidence in your system and proper execution. What do stride length and stride frequency have to do with a 5 yard burst?
:banghead2

I agree with what BigIF. Junkhead, and tko are saying. Seems spot on.

Wow! A true hater. lol All the famous people have em. But to hate and then write this! WHOAAAAA!

World class athletes did not start out as world class athletes, but they were born with the right muscle fibers. Type IIB.


If hard work paid off so well and you can teach speed of a world class athlete, then why wasn't "Rudy" doing his thing since such hard work pays off. We all seen the movie, he had heart and he had a great work ethic.

Why does stride length and stride frequency only include track athletes? Is this LOngo's assistant? lol The comment alone could be pages of how it matters, so I'll just stop with trying to explain something so simple to understand. Although if you really, really , really, want me to just ask.

Stride can be helped by biomechanics? Give me a break. Stride IS biomechanics. This almost made me pee my pants.


What does stride length and stride frequency have to do with a 5 yard burst? Well considering the fact that a guy with greater stride length and stride frequency would reach point A to point B faster depending on those two variables seem effiicent enough to matter in the just one step or two yards. A great example is barry sanders. His stride length was not that great of a world class sprinter, but his stride frequency allowed him to leave many people sucking wind in JUST 5 yards.

That's ok if you dont hink I'm an AD, But no offense, I don't think you ever played sports before. I mean this stuff you learn when you play.

If you really want me to into detail about anything I will. I really want you to understand. These are important things in athletics.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I'll take johnykillz and the Carlsbad Cavemen (and the bat guano) over pizza anyday. And I likes me some pizza.

 

[mbeckha]

There is a BIG difference between sprinter speed, and football speed. Granted, if you are slow of foot, from a track standpoint, you will almost undoubtedly be slow of foot, from a football standpoint. But all of the sprinter speed in the world won't make a wit of a difference on the football field, if you are constantly in a bad position. People get too enamored with sprinter speed. Give me guys that are football fast.

By the way, the 88 National Championship team also had guys like Tony Rice, Ricky Watters, Chris Zorich, Michael Stonebreaker, Andy Heck, Tim Grunhard, Anthony Johnson, Frank Stams, Derek Brown, and Todd Lyght..........not just Rocket.

That is very true, but with Brian kelly and him being a coach with a proven track record of being able to teach. I think he can do it. We need speed if we want to be champions of college football.

 

[Freeman Ara]

I knew there was a "I know more then Longo" post coming. Honestly surprised it has taken this long.

 

[phgreek]

I don't think that was so great a post, and I don't believe the guy is an AD anywhere. Of course you can teach speed. Did world class athletes start out as world class athletes, or did they spend their life working hard? His entire post seems to contradict itself. Besides, stride length and stride frequency pertain to athletes on the track more than football players.

Stride can be helped by biomechanics? Give me a break. Stride IS biomechanics. The study of the biomechanics of the stride is what can cause improvement, but more so on the track. Football requires quickness and confidence in your system and proper execution. What do stride length and stride frequency have to do with a 5 yard burst?
:banghead2

I agree with what BigIF. Junkhead, and tko are saying. Seems spot on.

kind of agree...even later in a kid's career you can do some things to help his speed. But by far the most crucial part of "field speed", especially on defense, is not having to think...read/react. If we could have a scheme for a couple years, our D will be good because our guys responses will be like a reflex, not a conscious thought process...then you'll see some 40 speeds realized. I just think it will take a couple of seasons for a huge difference in our d-backs.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

kind of agree...even later in a kid's career you can do some things to help his speed. But by far the most crucial part of "field speed", especially on defense, is not having to think...read/react. If we could have a scheme for a couple years, our D will be good because our guys responses will be like a reflex, not a conscious thought process...then you'll see some 40 speeds realized. I just think it will take a couple of seasons for a huge difference in our d-backs.

Then you should agree with me totally. HIRED.

 

[tankjeep]

Another persoanl attack. Pose about what? I am an AD. I did go to college for Exercise Science. I did get my masters. I did work as a colligiate S&C coach. What could you possibly call me out on. I sure hope its is not the info you gave on your post.

And please tell me on this thread when I have called out a coach?

wow. it's funny to read how clueless you truly are. it takes a lot to get neutered all twisted and if anybody accomplishes that....then they're truly a prick to the Nth degree.

and so far you are showing your true colors thru and thru. congratulations for being a grade "A" classless jerk.