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Surely I think theres a bit of a chance - they'd be getting a point per game performer at a very reasonable contract.

I'm not hoping and praying they trade him - but if the Bruins are looking at Seguin as a 3rd line center in his first season, Savard would be the one to go. Total man crushes on Krecji and Bergeron - they won't be leaving.
 

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Surely I think theres a bit of a chance - they'd be getting a point per game performer at a very reasonable contract.

I'm not hoping and praying they trade him - but if the Bruins are looking at Seguin as a 3rd line center in his first season, Savard would be the one to go. Total man crushes on Krecji and Bergeron - they won't be leaving.

But the Kings would be paying $5 million for a center that they don't need. Kopitar is the best player in the NHL nobody has heard of. Savard would be in a similar role in LA that he is in, in Boston
 

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The Kings have Kopitar as the #1 center - only 24 and a great two way player. Once he realizes how good he is, I think he will dominate. Michael Handzus has proven to be that solid, dependable #2 center. Then you have an energy guy in Brad Richardson or a good face off man in Jarrett Stoll as your #3. You can also fill in with a rookie like Brayden Schenn or one of the other guys coming up from the minors in training camp for the 4th line.

I just don't see a place for Savard. Kings need a good winger and a top 4 d-man. Not sure who is available, but we shall see in the next couple of weeks.
 

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All these bastard fair weather LA fans griping about how the organization let them down for not signing Kovy and how they aren't going to renew their season tickets and blah, blah, blah

cant blame them...they see the kings not getting out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. I dont blame them one bit.

OK - the Kings dont add Kovy. What are they gonna do now? hold pat, like the Dodgers? Did you see the Dodgers this weekend? Shelled, again. Pitching gave it up AGAIN. They knew 2 years ago the pitching was suspect and just sat back and hoped and waited for on-staff pitchers to get better. i hope the kings arent thinking the same thing, otherwise its same ol' same ol' for the kings. Barely a first round win, then getting blown off the ice in the 2nd round to a team that wont even play for the cup.

Not getting Kovy isnt the end of the world...but are they going to now to sit back and do nothing? WHo are they going after now?

Then again, this is the Kings were talking about. 2nd round of the playoffs IS the stanley cup to kings fans.
 

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cant blame them...they see the kings not getting out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. I dont blame them one bit.

OK - the Kings dont add Kovy. What are they gonna do now? hold pat, like the Dodgers? Did you see the Dodgers this weekend? Shelled, again. Pitching gave it up AGAIN. They knew 2 years ago the pitching was suspect and just sat back and hoped and waited for on-staff pitchers to get better. i hope the kings arent thinking the same thing, otherwise its same ol' same ol' for the kings. Barely a first round win, then getting blown off the ice in the 2nd round to a team that wont even play for the cup.

Not getting Kovy isnt the end of the world...but are they going to now to sit back and do nothing? WHo are they going after now?

Then again, this is the Kings were talking about. 2nd round of the playoffs IS the stanley cup to kings fans.

But he's not worth 17 years. Now that they know he's not signing they can get 2 or 3 guys for the price of Kovy, plus it helps them long term with Doughty and other young guys they need to resign
 

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cant blame them...they see the kings not getting out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. I dont blame them one bit.

OK - the Kings dont add Kovy. What are they gonna do now? hold pat, like the Dodgers? Did you see the Dodgers this weekend? Shelled, again. Pitching gave it up AGAIN. They knew 2 years ago the pitching was suspect and just sat back and hoped and waited for on-staff pitchers to get better. i hope the kings arent thinking the same thing, otherwise its same ol' same ol' for the kings. Barely a first round win, then getting blown off the ice in the 2nd round to a team that wont even play for the cup.

Not getting Kovy isnt the end of the world...but are they going to now to sit back and do nothing? WHo are they going after now?

Then again, this is the Kings were talking about. 2nd round of the playoffs IS the stanley cup to kings fans.

I just am the kind of believer (call me myopic if you will) that belief that you support your team for better or for worse. ND hasn't won a NC in 22 years, but I live and breath the Irish. I remember the Lakers back in the late 70's - it was maddening to watch them, but people forget there was a dark time before the Lakers won championships.

I dunno, I don't go to games or root for teams because I think I am entitled to a championship. I go for the joy of watching sport. Hockey is exciting to me regardless. A few years ago, I was at a game against Dallas. The Kings were already having a rough season and trailed Dallas in the 3rd period 4-0. In that game, the Kings came back and scored 5 goals in like 5 minutes. Dallas tied it with 20 seconds left and then the Kings won in OT. It was one of those games where I could swear the louder the crowd got, the better the team played. It was awesome! And it didn't matter to me that the Kings were in last place.

I just think when you have an allegiance to that team, you stick with them through thick and thin. It is hilarious to me that people are saying they aren't going to renew season tickets because we didn't get one player. That is silly to me. What about the other guys on the team that played there guts out and gave us a very exciting season and one of the best finishes in about 8 years? They are going to be better and I will root for this team no matter what.
 

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I really don't know what Kings fans would have to bitch about right now. They are in about as good of shape as anyone in the league as far as young talent and cap space.
 

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17 year contract takes him until he's 44. Who would want to be locked in Jersey for 17 years? No offense - not exactly the most intriguing hockey market to be apart of. I guess money talks.

As for wingers available for the kings from a Bruins perspective -

1) Michael Ryder - 4 Mil - 1 year left - a healthy chance he reaches 25-30 this year (it is a contract year for him, and that means business)

2) Blake Wheeler - RFA - Arbitration on July 27th - probably commands around 2-2.25 upcoming season but would be looking for a longer term deal eventually. Big, skilled and fast, but soft as a marshmellow.

Those are probably the only ones the Bruins would be most likely willing to part with at this point. Any interest?
 

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17 year contract takes him until he's 44. Who would want to be locked in Jersey for 17 years? No offense - not exactly the most intriguing hockey market to be apart of. I guess money talks.

I know Jersey does suck from a fan support perspective. Nothing like watching a Flyer Vs Devil game and a good 2/5ths of the crowd is wearing orange and black. I'm sure its worse when the Rags, Habs and other original 6 teams come in there
 

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I really don't know what Kings fans would have to bitch about right now. They are in about as good of shape as anyone in the league as far as young talent and cap space.

Someone on one of the blogs was bitching about how the Kings don't have that 80 point scorer and I kindly pointed out that Kopitar scored 81 points (only 4 points less than the beloved Kovalchuk) this season and he is only 24. Brown had an off year, but he is a tough player who could, potentially, get 30 goals in any given season. A lot of the young guys will have another year of growth and experience like Simmonds, Richardson, and then some of the guys coming up out of the minors.

So, I don't know what Kings fans have to bitch about either. I swear sometimes Kings fans remind me of the old guys in the balcony on the Muppet Show. They just bitch about everything. When the Kings win, they bitch about how Quick's GAA is too high. When they get to the playoffs, they bitch because we didn't get the 4th seed. Whatever! I love this team and I am behind them no matter what!
 

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But he's not worth 17 years. Now that they know he's not signing they can get 2 or 3 guys for the price of Kovy, plus it helps them long term with Doughty and other young guys they need to resign

it is the way the salary is structured. He isnt going to play 17 years for NJ, and that is not the intent. the contract is front-loaded and its really just a 10 or 11 year contract. The final 5-7 years of that deal is going the at league minimum. that is done to bring the overall average yearly salary down against the salary cap. they have done that in sports for years and years (magic johnson signed a 20 year, 25million contract in 80's for the same reason). Also, they will probably be a clause to tear it up and re-negotiate in 5 to 7 years. The 17 years is to bring down the average yearly salary so it fits better under the cap, no one expects Kovy to play for 17 more years and this contract CERTAINLY wont last that long.

I really don't know what Kings fans would have to bitch about right now. They are in about as good of shape as anyone in the league as far as young talent and cap space.

they have everything to bitch about - they pay money for tickets and want and deserve a winner. LA fans been waiting since 1968, and the team has only been out of the 2nd round, what once, in 1993? This is LA, not St Louis, or Columbus, or some other small market. This is the big time, if they cant afford to put a winner on the ice, I say shit or get off the pot.

I put the blame on Lombardi, he should have locked Kovy up - You never saw Jerry West get played like this. I can only hope and assume that they have something else in the works. but it will have to be a trade and that was a great part of the deal in getting Kovy, they didnt have to give up anyone, it was just an addition to the already loaded roster. They could have got Kovy without having to give up anyone on the roster, a deal like this WILL NOT come along again during the window of opportunity for this Kings team. Its similar to if the Lakers passed on getting Shaq from Orlando, thinking they can just get 2 or 3 more players and be better. it doesnt work that way. The kings from here on are going to be like the Lakers if they never got Shaq from Orlando. But thats the way it always has been for the kings.

Now any player they go after is going to be a trade and they are gonna have to give up players on the roster. They are gonna need to take 2 steps back, to take 3 steps forward. While adding Kovy would have been a giant 2 steps forward without giving up anything.

The bottom line can be measured in the playoffs next year. Do you the Kings make it out of the first round? are the kings a contender like they should be RIGHT NOW, or is it still wait till next year? ...kings fans already know the answer.
 
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On the flip side of that TD. Not many young inexpirienced teams go from out of the playoffs and make it to the conference finals all of a sudden. Young teams have to lose before they win. Now 1 or 2 years down the line if they don't make it past the 1st round then fans can worry, but right now it seems sort of ridiculous to.
 

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it is the way the salary is structured. He isnt going to play 17 years for NJ, and that is not the intent. the contract is front-loaded and its really just a 10 or 11 year contract. The final 5-7 years of that deal is going the at league minimum. that is done to bring the overall average yearly salary down against the salary cap. they have done that in sports for years and years (magic johnson signed a 20 year, 25million contract in 80's for the same reason). Also, they will probably be a clause to tear it up and re-negotiate in 5 to 7 years. The 17 years is to bring down the average yearly salary so it fits better under the cap, no one expects Kovy to play for 17 more years and this contract CERTAINLY wont last that long.

Thats not what i meant. What i shoulda said is he's not worth a long term investment like that. I say 5-6 tops. Like i've stated before he's a me first player who will never win a stanley cup. I'm glad jersey kept him cause they just made themselves worse again
 

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...it will have to be a trade and that was a great part of the deal in getting Kovy, they didnt have to give up anyone, it was just an addition to the already loaded roster. They could have got Kovy without having to give up anyone on the roster, a deal like this WILL NOT come along again during the window of opportunity for this Kings team.

I don't agree with that completely. To an extent, yes, they wouldn't have given anything up this year, but what about Doughty, Simmonds, Johnson, Bernier, and the list goes on and on? When those young bucks ask for new contracts and you have so much tied up in one player like Kovalchuk, you lose out. Look at a guy like Doughty. No one would have guessed he would have been a Norris finalist in his second year at 20 years old. That is a guy you lock up long term for big bucks. Jonathan Bernier is supposed to be the second coming of Patrick Roy (not sure if he is yet, but who knows), if you believe that, you have to lock him up too.

So they might not have given anyone up for this season, but in the very, very near future you wouldn't be able to keep all those guys, so you would lose them anyway. Not much difference in losing them now or in a year or two.

I also don't think making the comparison of Kovalchuk to Shaq when the Lakers got him is accurate. Kovalchuk is good, but he is not even close to the level of Shaq comparitively speaking. How did Atlanta do after trading Kovy? The did remarkably better without him than with him. That says a lot. Just my opinion.

My point about the season ticket holders not renewing is why would you bail out on this team now, when we, at the very least, aren't any worse off than we were last year? In fact, we will probably be better with the same basic group of guys. A year older, a year wiser and some new blood coming up from Manchester. This is an exciting team and they will turn some heads next year even without Kashacheck.
 

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Now 1 or 2 years down the line if they don't make it past the 1st round then fans can worry, but right now it seems sort of ridiculous to.

this might as well be the motto for the kings organization, they are always just 2 years away. Kings fans dont worry anyways, they have been condition to think that a 2nd round appearance is some sort of playoff victory. its the same kind of thinking that sat around and passively watched the Ducks bring home the cup, while the kings just kept saying we're 2 years away.
 

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this might as well be the motto for the kings organization, they are always just 2 years away. Kings fans dont worry anyways, they have been condition to think that a 2nd round appearance is some sort of playoff victory. its the same kind of thinking that sat around and passively watched the Ducks bring home the cup, while the kings just kept saying we're 2 years away.

Not to change the subject, but why do you have a Red Wing icon if your a King fan?
 

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I also don't think making the comparison of Kovalchuk to Shaq when the Lakers got him is accurate. Kovalchuk is good, but he is not even close to the level of Shaq comparitively speaking.

They are very similar, both:
supply a piece that every championship team needs
has skills that no one on the current roster posses
other teams fear (no one fears anyone on the kings) Kopitar is good, but he doesnt put the fear of god into any team
Everytime they are in the game, the other team knows what he is doing every second
other teams game plan to stop him and only him (freeing up others on your team to score)
has skills that cant be replaced by another player
both entering their prime
 

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Not to change the subject, but why do you have a Red Wing icon if your a King fan?

I have been a red wing fan since the 90's. Being a kings fan, the year ends when the playoffs start. Even if the kings make the playoffs, they arent getting out the 2nd round. So I took DET as my playoff team. Plus, I always liked russian players, and the wings had a alot of very good, and super exciting russians. Of course federov, larionov, kozlov...but my favorites were Fetisov and Konstintinov. I also like NJ because of the Fetisov/Kasatonov connection. Vladi Konstintinov was probably my favorite russian, second only to Pavel Bure.
 
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The NHL rejected Kovalchuk's deal.

It is about time the NHL stood up to some of these ridiculous long term deals. I thought is was interesting how Lamoriello rolled his eyes at the press conference and said it wasn't him that put the huge offer out there, it was Devils ownership. Sounds to me like the owners put pressure on the GM to get the deal done and Lamoriello had no choice. Sounded like he didn't agree with it, in my opinion. Interesting when owners get involved in team dealings like that.

It is funny to see all the Kings fans that have done a complete 180 in about 24 hours. They went from calling for Dean Lombardi's head for not getting the deal done, to praising him for holding tight and not budging on such a BS deal and keeping the Kings franchise out of hot water.
 

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It is funny to see all the Kings fans that have done a complete 180 in about 24 hours. They went from calling for Dean Lombardi's head for not getting the deal done, to praising him for holding tight and not budging on such a BS deal and keeping the Kings franchise out of hot water.

Lol I know what your talking about here. Most flyer fans are some of the most bipolar fans you'll see. Do you go to any boards?
 

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Lol I know what your talking about here. Most flyer fans are some of the most bipolar fans you'll see. Do you go to any boards?

I go to a couple of the Kings boards and I might give other team's boards a cursory look, but I don't post much on hockey boards. The Kings boards can be very antagonistic even among other Kings fans. There isn't the commonality, comaraderie, and entertainment like on a board such as this. Especially around a situation like this Kovalchuk topic, it can get heated and repetitive.

I actually find the puckdaddy blog entertaining. They do a regular segment running down all the news and headlines in the NHL from around the web. They usually have a pretty lighthearted take on things.

How about you?
 

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I go to a couple of the Kings boards and I might give other team's boards a cursory look, but I don't post much on hockey boards. The Kings boards can be very antagonistic even among other Kings fans. There isn't the commonality, comaraderie, and entertainment like on a board such as this. Especially around a situation like this Kovalchuk topic, it can get heated and repetitive.

I actually find the puckdaddy blog entertaining. They do a regular segment running down all the news and headlines in the NHL from around the web. They usually have a pretty lighthearted take on things.

How about you?

I go to 2 strictly flyer sites(don't dare post though). I also go to the HF boards from time to time.
 

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Alexei Ponikarovski signs with the Kings

Interesting. Isn't he a right winger? Kings have a pretty good number of RW players, but the need is to the left. I wonder if another trade is in the works. Don't know too much about Ponikarovski. What are your thoughts on him KPENN?
 

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Interesting. Isn't he a right winger? Kings have a pretty good number of RW players, but the need is to the left. I wonder if another trade is in the works. Don't know too much about Ponikarovski. What are your thoughts on him KPENN?


I'm pretty sure he's a left winger. He's a solid guy, and he doesn't really jump out at you although he's been in exile the last couple years in Toronto. The Penguins got him and i'm not sure who's line he played on. I think Crosby and Guerin, but I cant remember(the Flyes only played the pens once after the deadline) so I didn't see much of him in Pittsburgh. His career low in goals in 18 and career high is 23, so like I said before he's a solid guy. He's big to 6'4" so he'll add some size upfront(which from what i heard is one thing they wanted. Hence them wanting Hartnell from the flyers).

I like the pickup for the Kings though. If the Flyers had the money I woulda liked them to take a swing at him. I'm curious what they'll do with him. I say stick him with Kopitar to start the year and see what happens. All in all a pretty nice pickup
 

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I'm pretty sure he's a left winger. He's a solid guy, and he doesn't really jump out at you although he's been in exile the last couple years in Toronto. The Penguins got him and i'm not sure who's line he played on. I think Crosby and Guerin, but I cant remember(the Flyes only played the pens once after the deadline) so I didn't see much of him in Pittsburgh. His career low in goals in 18 and career high is 23, so like I said before he's a solid guy. He's big to 6'4" so he'll add some size upfront(which from what i heard is one thing they wanted. Hence them wanting Hartnell from the flyers).

I like the pickup for the Kings though. If the Flyers had the money I woulda liked them to take a swing at him. I'm curious what they'll do with him. I say stick him with Kopitar to start the year and see what happens. All in all a pretty nice pickup

You're right, he's a left winger. TSN showed him as a RW on the free agent tracker. He is going to fill a void left by Frolov going to the Ranjahs. I am bummed. I really liked Frolov. Back when he got benched early on in the season, late October I believe, I bid on his signed stick at a silent auction at Staples and I was the only one to bid. I have always liked him and thought he got a bad wrap from many LA fans. Fro was so good at puck control and he always had that potential to be a really prolific scorer.

Hopefully the Kings were able to sign Ponikarovski for less than they would have had to pay Frolov.
 

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GoIrish. Not sure if you saw, but Frolov signed with the Rangers for 1 year and $3 million
 

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damn that sucks... what could have been with Alex Frolov....


shame.
 
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