[NFL] vBook: Cowboys vs Packers

[JadeBrecks]

So do the pack try and throw for the first or run to kill as much clock as possible?

 

[Rhode Irish]

What a joke that Dallas will lose this game on something so arbitrary and subjective. Even with the rule being what it is (i.e., terrible), they should always err on the side of it being a catch because it is so subjective.

 

[Irish Insanity]

At least I broke even......

 

[JadeBrecks]

What a joke that Dallas will lose this game on something so arbitrary and subjective. Even with the rule being what it is (i.e., terrible), they should always err on the side of it being a catch because it is so subjective.

Scoring there would not have guaranteed a win

 

[FearTheBeard]

I agree its a bad rule but thats just how it is right now. Cowboys won on a bad call last week and had it swing back the other way this week...i love it. Go Pack Go!

 

[Rhode Irish]

Scoring there would not have guaranteed a win

No, but not getting the ball on the one inch line pretty much guaranteed that they wouldn't win. And no objective person could watch that play and say he didn't catch that ball (putting aside the idiotic language of the actual rule and just asking the question "did he catch it?").

 

[JadeBrecks]

Game Paid. Get your vCoin over to the other game fast!

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/golden-shamrock-sports-book/243572-nfl-vbook-colts-vs-broncos.html

 

[irishfan]

I am not saying the officials are in the bag for Dallas. I think they have made or not made terrible calls both directions. I want the crews back not this individuals that haven't worked together ever put together for the most important games of the year.

Wasn't referring to you. I went to college near Philly, so all my Eagles friends have been insufferable this week with the Cowboys. Just seen so many articles everywhere, it was driving me crazy.

 

[BobD]

Glad it came down to a call against them and that Dez "Idiot moron punk bitch" Bryant was involved and had the game slip through his fingers.

 

[Nick Setta]

What a joke that Dallas will lose this game on something so arbitrary and subjective. Even with the rule being what it is (i.e., terrible), they should always err on the side of it being a catch because it is so subjective.

Kinda like the Tuck Rule eh?

 

[JadeBrecks]

No, but not getting the ball on the one inch line pretty much guaranteed that they wouldn't win. And no objective person could watch that play and say he didn't catch that ball (putting aside the idiotic language of the actual rule and just asking the question "did he catch it?").

If I made the rules he caught the ball was down then the ground knocked it out. I don't make the rules the NFL does. Per the NFL rules it wasn't a catch. Just like the offensive line can hold inside the framework and it isn't holding. If you ask me holding is holding period.

 

[gkIrish]

No, but not getting the ball on the one inch line pretty much guaranteed that they wouldn't win. And no objective person could watch that play and say he didn't catch that ball (putting aside the idiotic language of the actual rule and just asking the question "did he catch it?").

The second I saw that ball hit the ground and pop up I knew it wasn't a catch. Because I know the NFL and I know the rules. You watch the sport within the rules it provides. People who don't know the game are the ones that are upset.

Cowboys fans were saying one play doesn't decide a game last week so I don't see why they would complain this week.

 

[ACamp1900]

If the refs got shit right last week Dallas wouldn't even have been here... Cowboy fans can quit crying now...

Peace out Dallas.

 

[palinurus]

I don't see how even Cowboys fans can get too upset in the big scheme of things. They had no business winning last week, and Bryant should have been flagged last week for going on the field. It's double justice. I just wish they had flagged him for going on the field after the reversal today.

I don't even think the rule is such a bad rule. Control the ball all the way through the play. Offensive players have a thousand advantages over the old rules; give the defense at least one break.

 

[Irish Insanity]

If the refs got shit right last week Dallas wouldn't even have been here... Cowboy fans can quit crying now...

Peace out Dallas.

Go Lions.

 

[palinurus]

I would have loved to see Jerry Jones in the luxury box during that reversal. He's another one.

 

[ACamp1900]

 

[Rhode Irish]

The second I saw that ball hit the ground and pop up I knew it wasn't a catch. Because I know the NFL and I know the rules. You watch the sport within the rules it provides. People who don't know the game are the ones that are upset.

Cowboys fans were saying one play doesn't decide a game last week so I don't see why they would complain this week.

That is my point, though. Forget the NFL rulebook and its idiotic approach to that play. Just in your opinion, did he "catch" the ball in the dictionary sense of the word? Of course he did. So the rule is idiotic. On top of that, he made not one but two football moves with full and obvious control of the ball before he hit the ground.

 

[JadeBrecks]

That is my point, though. Forget the NFL rulebook and its idiotic approach to that play. Just in your opinion, did he "catch" the ball in the dictionary sense of the word? Of course he did. So the rule is idiotic. On top of that, he made not one but two football moves with full and obvious control of the ball before he hit the ground.

If you got rid of "idiotic rules" the rule book would almost disappear.

 

[Rhode Irish]

If you got rid of "idiotic rules" the rule book would almost disappear.

Ha true

 

[JadeBrecks]

Unfortunately idiotic rules are all over. You have to watch the game in the context of these rules. If they were removed almost every game would be changed.

Just out of curiosity what rubs you so wrong about this play being a pats fan verse any other call like this or a call not called per the rules?

 

[Rhode Irish]

Unfortunately idiotic rules are all over. You have to watch the game in the context of these rules. If they were removed almost every game would be changed.

Just out of curiosity what rubs you so wrong about this play being a pats fan verse any other call like this or a call not called per the rules?

A few things: (1) I have always hated this rule and thought it was horrible. (2) I thought that even knowing how dumb the rule is, it should have been a catch because Dez clearly caught it and fully possessed it, took three steps and stretched it towards the goal line (something in there, and probably more than one of them, has to constitute a "football move" by any reasonable criteria). And (3), the circumstance of the game just exacerbated those above things. How can you decide the game on such an obviously wrong and unfair result? The Cowboys did enough in the game and made the plays that should have allowed them to at least have a chance to stop GB to win the game, and they didn't get it because of the officials over-officiating. Nobody wants to see a game decided that way.

 

[ACamp1900]

My thoughts on this game after the real travesty last week that got Dallas in this game in the first place...

 

[BobD]

"Dallas is out of the playoffs" has a ring to it. It just sounds good and makes the whole world seem better.

I don't know where the hate comes from, it just comes.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I hate the Seahawks, but hope they mop the field with GB, and put Erin Fraudgers in a neck brace.

 

[johnnycando]

I can agree with Rhode.

Dez did make the catch.

The difference in this game and last weeks game, is that the destiny of the team was still in the Lion's hands.

The Cowboys got jail sexed.

I'm not a Cowboys fan. They got fucked.

And it's hilarious! I can't wait to fuck with Dallas fans at work tomorrow.

 

[gkIrish]

That is my point, though. Forget the NFL rulebook and its idiotic approach to that play. Just in your opinion, did he "catch" the ball in the dictionary sense of the word? Of course he did. So the rule is idiotic. On top of that, he made not one but two football moves with full and obvious control of the ball before he hit the ground.

The "dictionary" sense of the word catch to me is synonymous with the rulebook. If you think the dictionary "catch" means" putting two hands around a ball then idk what to say. There are rules I wish didn't exist in every sport but if you know the game you should NEVER get upset by a referee's decision so long as the decision is not contrary to the rules because you know what the rules are.

And I just disagree that he made any sort of football move. He was just falling down. The arm never stretched out, it was just bracing his body from the fall.

 

[irishfan]

The "dictionary" sense of the word catch to me is synonymous with the rulebook. If you think the dictionary "catch" means" putting two hands around a ball then idk what to say. There are rules I wish didn't exist in every sport but if you know the game you should NEVER get upset by a referee's decision so long as the decision is not contrary to the rules because you know what the rules are.

And I just disagree that he made any sort of football move. He was just falling down. The arm never stretched out, it was just bracing his body from the fall.

He caught it with two hands, brought the ball to his chest, and then put the ball in his left hand. If he were bracing himself for the fall (and not reaching out with his left hand), he would have just kept the ball in both hands.

His lunge comes late, so I can see how it is close. But it was ruled a catch on the field....I don't get how anyone can say he 100% wasn't lunging with the ball and overturn that.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Some solid trolling by the Lions:

 

[Irish Insanity]

It doesn't matter if he changed hands with the ball 20 times or lunged or anything. The rule is if you go to the ground in the act of the catch, which he was, and lose control at any point going to or on the ground, it is not a catch. He stumbled as he was coming down with it and stumbled a few steps before going down. Within the rule he was still in the process of the catch and did not maintain control thru the process.