[NFL] vBook: Colts vs Patriots (Deflategate)

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I'm aggravated by the way this ended, but I think by fighting this Brady exposed what was really going on here and nobody that was paying any attention at all to this thinks he actually cheated. This ended up being about whether the NFL commissioner has the authority under the current CBA to do whatever the hell he pleases without any obligation to be fair or reasonable. What happened to Brady should outrage everybody and anybody that has even a passing interest in fairness. If it doesn't outrage you, rest assured that it outrages your favorite players and your favorite teams. I think the likelihood that this (along with Bountygate and the AP thing and Ray Rice and a dozen other things) leads to either massive concessions by owners in the next CBA negotiation (which seems unlikely given how hard they fought this) or a prolonged labor stoppage.
 

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I'm aggravated by the way this ended, but I think by fighting this Brady exposed what was really going on here and nobody that was paying any attention at all to this thinks he actually cheated. This ended up being about whether the NFL commissioner has the authority under the current CBA to do whatever the hell he pleases without any obligation to be fair or reasonable. What happened to Brady should outrage everybody and anybody that has even a passing interest in fairness. If it doesn't outrage you, rest assured that it outrages your favorite players and your favorite teams. I think the likelihood that this (along with Bountygate and the AP thing and Ray Rice and a dozen other things) leads to either massive concessions by owners in the next CBA negotiation (which seems unlikely given how hard they fought this) or a prolonged labor stoppage.

It could be argued that there is a still a very large group out there that do.

The proceedings up to now aren't going to do much to change the NFL and how it operates. The issues you mentioned and even the "concussion" issue has shown that the NFL doesn't care and will march to their own beat. Strikes be damned, the concessions the NFL will give won't alter things much from the way they operate today.
 

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I'm aggravated by the way this ended, but I think by fighting this Brady exposed what was really going on here and nobody that was paying any attention at all to this thinks he actually cheated. This ended up being about whether the NFL commissioner has the authority under the current CBA to do whatever the hell he pleases without any obligation to be fair or reasonable. What happened to Brady should outrage everybody and anybody that has even a passing interest in fairness. If it doesn't outrage you, rest assured that it outrages your favorite players and your favorite teams. I think the likelihood that this (along with Bountygate and the AP thing and Ray Rice and a dozen other things) leads to either massive concessions by owners in the next CBA negotiation (which seems unlikely given how hard they fought this) or a prolonged labor stoppage.
Weather Brady was or was not guilty really has nothing to do with his suspension. He was suspended because he refused to cooperate with the investigation as required in the agreement between the union and the NFL.
Occasionally contracts really mean what they say.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every team should've backed Patriots against Goodell during absurd DeflateGate scandal. Now comes the fallout. <a href="https://t.co/hKZwc9AcNd">https://t.co/hKZwc9AcNd</a></p>— Dan Wetzel (@DanWetzel) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/765555625023643648">August 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Thoughts? Any Saints fans here? It's all fun and games until Goodell goes after your team...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NFL prepares to use the Tom Brady precedent to force cooperation with the Al Jazeera investigation <a href="https://t.co/yDH80FiIEw">https://t.co/yDH80FiIEw</a></p>— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/765331675169652736">August 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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NFL prepares to use Brady precedent to force cooperation with PED investigation | ProFootballTalk

The obvious headline from the letter sent Monday by the NFL to the NFL Players Association regarding the Al Jazeera investigation is that the league has threatened to suspend Packers linebacker Clay Matthews, Packers linebacker Julius Peppers, Steelers linebacker James Harrison, and free-agent defensive lineman Mike Neal if they don’t submit to interviews by August 25. The deeper message comes from the NFL’s use of the precedent created by the Tom Brady suspension, appeal, and litigation to threaten the players with suspension for failure to cooperate with a league investigation.

“There is no dispute that players are obligated to cooperate with the league’s investigation, as you have repeatedly acknowledged,” the letter states. “This obligation includes not only the responsibility to submit to an interview but also the duty to provide meaningful responses to the questions posed. Nor is there a dispute that a failure to cooperate or an attempt to obstruct the investigation may result in discipline, including suspension from play, for conduct detrimental under Article 46 of the CBA and the NFL Player Contract.”

Never mind the fact that the PED policy says nothing about an obligation to cooperate in an investigation regarding a potential violation of the PED policy due to something other than a positive test or an alleged or actual violation of the law. As written, the PED policy seems to give players the right to refuse to say anything until the NFL has developed sufficient “credible evidence” to justify the imposition of discipline. Then, if the player chooses to appeal, he tells his story within the confines of the appeal process.

Armed with the immense power given to the Commissioner by the federal appeals court ruling in the Brady case, the league can now disregard the terms of the PED policy and invoke Article 46 to compel cooperation with an investigation under the PED policy, despite the plain terms of the PED policy. Before Brady, no player had ever been suspended for failing to cooperate with or obstructing a league investigation. Now, based on the Brady precedent, the NFL has a hammer that it never specifically obtained through bargaining.

Pulling the controversy out of the PED policy also allows the NFL to avoid the neutral arbitration process that was adopted in 2014 for PED violations. Instead, it will be the Commissioner who will handle the appeal of the indefinite suspension that will be imposed on Matthews, Peppers, Harrison, and Neal — and the Commissioner surely will uphold the approach taken by those who work for him.

This is precisely why the NFLPA must roll the dice on an appeal of the Brady case from the Second Circuit (and the Adrian Peterson case from the Eighth Circuit) to the U.S. Supreme Court. As slim as the chances of prevailing may be, not trying to overturn the Brady and Peterson precedent would allow the NFL to use Article 46 not just as a shield against The Shield but as a sword to compel players to do what the league wants, even if the specific policies relevant to a given controversy suggest that the players aren’t required to comply.
 
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I don't know how I missed this.

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I don't know how I missed this.

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BELICHECK FOR PRESIDENT!

I would love to see the press briefings with him also. Love to see him put those political hacks in place.
 

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BELICHECK FOR PRESIDENT!

I would love to see the press briefings with him also. Love to see him put those political hacks in place.

Although I hate the Pats, I'd vote for Belicheat any day of the two options we have...
 

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After reading the article, it appears that Brady having his balls deflated actually hurt his performance, not helped it. He may have cost the Pats a couple of SB rings!

Yup. Tom should have tried those big boy ballz a long time ago.
 

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I think Denver last year "broke" the Green Bay offense, and teams now are just dropping 7-8 guys every play and letting Rodgers sit in the pocket all day if he wants. His accuracy seems a bit down, but it mainly seems like the offensive playcalling is average and the WRs (who are all high draft picks) can't seem to get much separation.

I do like the #OverinflateGate theory though.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Will <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/rogergoodell?src=hash">#rogergoodell</a> treat <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Steelers?src=hash">#Steelers</a> soft footballs like plane hijacking as he did with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash">#Patriots</a>? <a href="https://t.co/Xkd1PybOW5">https://t.co/Xkd1PybOW5</a></p>— Sally Jenkins (@sallyjenx) <a href="https://twitter.com/sallyjenx/status/808391534206914561">December 12, 2016</a></blockquote>
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