[NFL] vBook: Colts vs Patriots (Deflategate)

[irishfan]

Therein lies the value of having Feely there. It shows that, in the past, football PSI has been categorized as an equipment violation and subject to the equipment policies. The issue has come up in the past and it's never been an "integrity of the game" violation that results in discipline to the player, so there's no reason for Mr. Brady to assume that such a thing would apply to him.

This is all irrelevant because he didn't do it.

Ya, but c'mon. According to the Wells Report, the gauge the referee didn't use pre-game indicated the footballs were .2 PSI below their expected level at halftime. How dare Brady say he couldn't tell the difference in .2 PSI? What a liar.

 

[wizards8507]

Ya, but c'mon. According to the Wells Report, the gauge the referee didn't use pre-game indicated the footballs were .2 PSI below their expected level at halftime. How dare Brady say he couldn't tell the difference in .2 PSI? What a liar.

That's my favorite part. Based on the measurements from the gauge that the referee actually used, the footballs weren't even deflated AT ALL, let alone 0.2 PSI.

 

[irishfan]

That's my favorite part. Based on the measurements from the gauge that the referee actually used, the footballs weren't even deflated AT ALL, let alone 0.2 PSI.

Can't let facts get in the way of a good witch-hunt. I love while trying to catch the Patriots red-handed, the NFL wasn't even able to prove the footballs were deflated. Instead they had to believe that a ref measured the footballs pre-game, then mis-remembered what gauge he used, and then still were only able to show a drop in .2 PSI. Yet, this was some sort of genius scheme thee Pats had going as is evident by a text from May 2014 as the smoking gun. All the meanwhile ignoring texts from October 2014 where the equipment guys explicitly states that the footballs are supposed to be 13 PSI.

I will never understand how this text was completely ignored, yet the "deflator" text from May 2014 implies guilt. And I would love anyone who is pro-NFL and anti-Brady to explain that.

“Ugh…Tom was right,” he wrote. “I just measured some of the balls. They supposed to be 13 lbs… They were like 16. Felt like bricks.”

Why are some Deflategate text messages being completely ignored? | Larry Brown Sports

 

[Rhode Irish]

The 'deflator' or eh at ever he was referring to the guy as in communications.
And that's why I said 'believed evidence' as some believe it's proof, some think it's nothing.

I think you are confused. Tom Brady never called anyone the the "Deflator" or anything close to that. There is no evidence anywhere that would indicate Brady had any knowledge of any wrongdoing (which, again, the NFL hasn't even proved actually happened and science tends to indicate did not happen). Brady's "guilt" is all based on the assumption that he would know if something did happen.

 

[wizards8507]

I think you are confused. Tom Brady never called anyone the the "Deflator" or anything close to that. There is no evidence anywhere that would indicate Brady had any knowledge of any wrongdoing (which, again, the NFL hasn't even proved actually happened and science tends to indicate did not happen). Brady's "guilt" is all based on the assumption that he would know if something did happen.

BUT THE TEXT MESSAGES!!!!!!!!

(which nobody has actually read and, if they had, would know that there's a whole lot of nothing in them.)

 

[Irish Insanity]

BUT THE TEXT MESSAGES!!!!!!!!

(which nobody has actually read and, if they had, would know that there's a whole lot of nothing in them.)

Some of us are assholes

I think you are confused. Tom Brady never called anyone the the "Deflator" or anything close to that. There is no evidence anywhere that would indicate Brady had any knowledge of any wrongdoing (which, again, the NFL hasn't even proved actually happened and science tends to indicate did not happen). Brady's "guilt" is all based on the assumption that he would know if something did happen.

Some aren't.

I came in this thread for knowledge and to grasp a better understanding.

 

[wizards8507]

Some of us are assholes

At no point did I direct my comments to you. You may come to this thread for information, but others come here to deliberately spread misinformation.

 

[Irish Insanity]

At no point did I direct my comments to you. You may come to this thread for information, but others come here to deliberately spread misinformation.

You responded, and quoted, a post that was directly responding, and quoting, my post. But, maybe you were directing it elsewhere.

 

[wizards8507]

You responded, and quoted, a post that was directly responding, and quoting, my post. But, maybe you were directing it elsewhere.

I was mostly kicking around with my fellow Pats fans a joke about how "haters gonna hate."

 

[Rhode Irish]

I was mostly kicking around with my fellow Pats fans a joke about how "haters gonna hate."

FWIW, that is the way I read it. This is the way Patriots fans talk to each other these days.

 

[gkIrish]

It doesn't matter when the tampering occurred because the text messages from Brady were from months prior.

You're missing the point. You guys are complaining that Feely wasn't investigated in the same way that Brady was. And that's somehow a precedent for the Brady situation.

My argument is that Brady was investigated because the circumstances of the tampering were completely different. So he can't just say "well Jay Feely was never investigated so why was I"

 

[wizards8507]

You're missing the point. You guys are complaining that Feely wasn't investigated in the same way that Brady was. And that's somehow a precedent for the Brady situation.

My argument is that Brady was investigated because the circumstances of the tampering were completely different. So he can't just say "well Jay Feely was never investigated so why was I"

I never said any such thing. I don't care about the investigation that Brady or Feely got. I care about the punishment. The tampering is irrelevant to the punishment because neither Brady nor Feely were the alleged tamperers. Brady isn't being punished for football tampering, he's being punished for "general awareness" of football tampering. That fact, "general awareness," is no different between Brady's case and Feely's case.

It's like... if you're arrested for a traffic violation on the way to a crime, it doesn't matter if you're driving to a drug deal or a bank robbery because you're not being punished for dealing drugs or robbing a bank. You're being punished for the traffic violation.

Again, all of this is irrelevant because the pressure gauge discrepancy explains the whole thing and there was ball tampering to begin with.

 

[gkIrish]

I never said any such thing. I don't care about the investigation that Brady or Feely got. I care about the punishment. The tampering is irrelevant to the punishment because neither Brady nor Feely were the alleged tamperers. Brady isn't being punished for football tampering, he's being punished for "general awareness" of football tampering. That fact, "general awareness," is no different between Brady's case and Feely's case.

It's like... if you're arrested for a traffic violation on the way to a crime, it doesn't matter if you're driving to a drug deal or a bank robbery because you're not being punished for dealing drugs or robbing a bank. You're being punished for the traffic violation.

Again, all of this is irrelevant because the pressure gauge discrepancy explains the whole thing and there was ball tampering to begin with.

He is being punished at least partially because of a failure to comply with the investigation. So the argument I'm hearing some of you make is that because Feely wasn't investigated (and therefore not punished) there's no precedent to do so with Brady because the league should never have investigated him. That doesn't jive.

Even if Brady is 100% innocent of actually tampering with footballs or having knowledge of tampering, he may still be punished for not cooperating.

 

[Irish Insanity]

FWIW, that is the way I read it. This is the way Patriots fans talk to each other these days.

Pats fans sticking together. Lol

 

[wizards8507]

He is being punished at least partially because of a failure to comply with the investigation. So the argument I'm hearing some of you make is that because Feely wasn't investigated (and therefore not punished) there's no precedent to do so with Brady because the league should never have investigated him. That doesn't jive.

No, that's not the argument we're making. I'm 100% okay with the NFL investigating Brady. Completely cool with it. My problem is with the punishment, not the investigation. Never before has a player been suspended for an equipment violation, period.

Even if Brady is 100% innocent of actually tampering with footballs or having knowledge of tampering, he may still be punished for not cooperating.

Except he's not being punished for not cooperating. If this was a one or two game suspension for "failure to cooperate," you wouldn't hear a peep out of me. He's being punished for being "at least generally aware" of the deflating, NOT for failure to cooperate.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Not only is he not being punished for not cooperating, he was not told during the investigation that a suspension could result from his failure to cooperate.

 

[gkIrish]

No, that's not the argument we're making. I'm 100% okay with the NFL investigating Brady. Completely cool with it. My problem is with the punishment, not the investigation. Never before has a player been suspended for an equipment violation, period.


Except he's not being punished for not cooperating. If this was a one or two game suspension for "failure to cooperate," you wouldn't hear a peep out of me. He's being punished for being "at least generally aware" of the deflating, NOT for failure to cooperate.

Wasn't the punishment upheld by Goodell, at least partially, because of the failure to cooperate. I distinctly remember Goodell specifically referencing the cell phone being destroyed.

 

[wizards8507]

Wasn't the punishment upheld by Goodell, at least partially, because of the failure to cooperate. I distinctly remember Goodell specifically referencing the cell phone being destroyed.

The NFL released a statement referencing the destroyed phone after the fact in the rush to create a media narrative. It was not in any of the official "Brady, this is why you are suspended" documentation.

 

[pkt77242]

Wasn't the punishment upheld by Goodell, at least partially, because of the failure to cooperate. I distinctly remember Goodell specifically referencing the cell phone being destroyed.

The funny part about that, is that Wells didn't classify Brady as uncooperative. If the "independent" investigator found Brady cooperative (even with him destroying the phone) why would Goodell rule opposite of that?

 

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[Irish YJ]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
reps

 

[irishfan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tom Brady beats NFL in `Deflategate' court case, judge nullifies league's 4-game suspension.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/639441244888797184">September 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[irishfan]

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[Rhode Irish]

 

[wizards8507]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tom Brady beats NFL in `Deflategate' court case, judge nullifies league's 4-game suspension.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/639441244888797184">September 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Rhode Irish]

Anyone following this closely saw this coming, so a little anti-climatic. But it is good to see the man exonerated because he clearly did nothing wrong.

 

[gkIrish]

Anyone following this closely saw this coming, so a little anti-climatic. But it is good to see the man exonerated because he clearly did nothing wrong.

OJ was exonerated, too.

 

[Rhode Irish]

OJ was exonerated, too.

Yeah, by a jury. Not by a federal judge. Juries are easy to manipulate. Federal judges aren't.

 

[Rhode Irish]

 

[wizards8507]

OJ was exonerated, too.

OJ was innocent until proven guilty. Brady was guilty until proven innocent (as the default is to give deference to the arbitrator).