Next ND Offensive Coordinator - the search

[Giddyup]

What kind of coaching search is this?

 

[irishog77]

If you're told you're shopping from the coaching bargain bin, it seems reasonable to take the bargain you are familiar with.

ND basically said they aren't going to pay a buyout for a coach. They had an offer from a BOT member to cover the buy-out and they said no. It would have cost ND zero dollars to do it. They still said no. At that point, if you're MF, why keep banging your head against the wall?

I have a hard time believing that if Andy Reid or Kyle Shannahan wanted to be OC's at ND, but their buyout was 2.8, and ND supposedly had a person ready to pay it, they would pass.

I think the refusal on the buyout was tied specifically to Ludwig and his OL coach. I think they felt the specific juice wasn't worth the squeeze there.

I'm fairly certain ND has hired assistant coaches under contract with other schools and had buyouts tied to them.

 

[Luckylucci]

If you're told you're shopping from the coaching bargain bin, it seems reasonable to take the bargain you are familiar with.

ND basically said they aren't going to pay a buyout for a coach. They had an offer from a BOT member to cover the buy-out and they said no. It would have cost ND zero dollars to do it. They still said no. At that point, if you're MF, why keep banging your head against the wall?

Because not every good coach requires that type of buyout.

Not trying to be a dick but I'm truly dumbfounded by this narrative? This was ONE coordinator that had an unusually high buyout that ND has never paid for in the past. But, somehow this time around it's blasphemy Marcus Freeman is required to hire coordinators under these circumstances? Very good coordinators are hired every year without paying obscene buyouts. Freeman should be tasked and responsible for doing the same.

 

[irishff1014]

I never thought I would say this but Notre Dame Football will never will another National Championship. These hirings are very unfortunate.

 

[irishog77]

It's Wednesday afternoon as I type.

Parker was at a hockey game on FRIDAY NIGHT with a guy from Utah who he figured he'd be reporting to before too long. He interviewed for the job only after they pissed down their legs and made idiots of themselves publicly. He likely had zero ambition for the job until all this blew up in the faces of the people who pay his salary as tight ends coach. He goes back to Purdue with Freeman. He's his guy. In the back of his mind he has to know how it all looks and all he can do is make the most of it.

Nobody wanted them here, nobody still wants them here for the most part, and they're walking into a situation probably knowing it full well. I really hope they succeed and use that success to move on in the end. Not like anyone is going to pay to keep them around anyway.

Assuming Parker doesn't even want the job, then I want him even less.

 

[NDWarrior]

Worry about Hartman... How about Carr? Despite his recent I'm on board comments, do we think he reconsiders at some point this Summer?

 

[Irish du Nord]

I never thought I would say this but Notre Dame Football will never will another National Championship. These hirings are very unfortunate.

We’ll see. I agree that the admin looks amateurish right now. But some very amateurish administrations have gotten remarkably close (or have even won) championships in the last decade. There’s a lot to play out here

 

[NDWarrior]

Why couldn't this be as nice and easy as it was for The Dawgs? Monken leaves for NFL, no problem... They promote Bobo, done! Oh yeah, ND is not GA

 

[Giddyup]

Didn’t Tulane just fire watt ike a year and a half ago? And look at that Tulane now

 

[Kingbish01]

The sad part is we and many others still believe ND is a top program. This is just more proof they aren't, an alum walked and Parker is the best they could do for OC. I hope for all our sakes we get to see a Championship for ND football one day, but I can pretty much guarantee we won't. They are cheap, strict academics, no NIL, and trying to sell recruits on how great ND was 100 years ago...GTFOH...I hope the program dies a slow death after this shit show...they deserve it. I also hope Hartman walks, that would speak way louder than a few of us not spending money there. ND, one of the top brands in college football 🤣🤣🤣🤣 says who...us!

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Worry about Hartman... How about Carr? Despite his recent I'm on board comments, do we think he reconsiders at some point this Summer?

If I were his parent, I would be advising him to re-open contact with other schools. I don't know how you can trust that Parker will be good. Maybe Parker is, but going into CJs senior year, I wouldn't want him to be stuck with a bad OC at the school he is committed to and no other good options.

 

[IrishBoognish]

Worry about Hartman... How about Carr? Despite his recent I'm on board comments, do we think he reconsiders at some point this Summer?

I'm not worried.


Both have to have known this was a distinct possibility from the beginning.

I should rephrase that... we should always be worried about a likely 5 star QB a year away from committing, just like every other program in that situation.


I'm not particularly worried about Carr he's all in.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Dude had a dui? How did TNUdome let Parker near campus and into the Gug?

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I am over here saying out loud... OMG OMG OMG, it's happening. Not the good kind, like youre about to bang a Rocket OMG

 

[Irish eyes]

With these hires it show that ND is trending to mediocre. And when MF or any coach before says there competing for a title... It's not true at all!!! AT All...! They Wiffed at recruiting.. they Wiffed with Coaches.. The best teams get the best tools... Brian Kelly left for just that reason.. I believe MF will soon do the same. This is not the school I loved as a kid anymore... It's not! Top 25 is all higher ups want at ND not titles!

 

[Kingbish01]

Worry about Hartman... How about Carr? Despite his recent I'm on board comments, do we think he reconsiders at some point this Summer?

If Carr was your son, would you want him going to ND? In the last week, ND just told us all we need to know...Marcus won't last, he either does a great job with 1 arm behind his back and moves on to a real program like Kelly...or he gets fired.

 

[sfk324]

I have a hard time believing that if Andy Reid or Kyle Shannahan wanted to be OC's at ND, but their buyout was 2.8, and ND supposedly had a person ready to pay it, they would pass.

I think the refusal on the buyout was tied specifically to Ludwig and his OL coach. I think they felt the specific juice wasn't worth the squeeze there.

I'm fairly certain ND has hired assistant coaches under contract with other schools and had buyouts tied to them.

Because not every good coach requires that type of buyout.

Not trying to be a dick but I'm truly dumbfounded by this narrative? This was ONE coordinator that had an unusually high buyout that ND has never paid for in the past. But, somehow this time around it's blasphemy Marcus Freeman is required to hire coordinators under these circumstances? Very good coordinators are hired every year without paying obscene buyouts. Freeman should be tasked and responsible for doing the same.

The buyout price as far as ND was concerned was $0. They still wouldn't do it. Why is that Freeman's fault? The message to Freeman is loud and clear at that point.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

If Carr was your son, would you want him going to ND? In the last week, ND just told us all we need to know...Marcus won't last, he either does a great job with 1 arm behind his back and moves on to a real program like Kelly...or he gets fired.

No, he could earn a lot of coin elsewhere AND be coached by a well regarded HC and OC. I will be shocked if Carr sticks. This will neuter offensive recruiting, Parker? I mean Freeman can recruit, but this is amateur hour. Freeman screwed the pooch.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Let’s hope Parker does well, still love the Irish! I’ll be optimistic until I can’t be lol

LETS GO IRISH

 

[ColinKSU]

Assuming Parker doesn't even want the job, then I want him even less.

Don’t threaten me with a good time.

Worry about Hartman... How about Carr? Despite his recent I'm on board comments, do we think he reconsiders at some point this Summer?

I’d advise him to if he asked me.

 

[Luckylucci]

The buyout price as far as ND was concerned was $0. They still wouldn't do it. Why is that Freeman's fault? The message to Freeman is loud and clear at that point.

I don't think it's Freeman's fault. Going from Ludwig to Parker, is Freeman's fault. That's the point. The admin took a singular candidate off the table and now the world has burned and Freeman is being forced to hire his buddy. That makes zero fucking sense.

 

[NDWarrior]

I'm not worried.


Both have to have known this was a distinct possibility from the beginning.

I should rephrase that... we should always be worried about a likely 5 star QB a year away from committing, just like every other program in that situation.


I'm not particularly worried about Carr he's all in.

The first part of your statement, yes, BUT maybe he still thinks about WHO is the next OC and/or QB coaches that take over? Hopefully, he now bleeds Blue & Gold and it's not a concern.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Didn’t Tulane just fire watt ike a year and a half ago? And look at that Tulane now

If the key to success is firing Watt, I’d say hiring him is a good place to start

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Assuming Parker doesn't even want the job, then I want him even less.

I'm sure he wants it now that he was put into a position to get it.

 

[Crazy Balki]

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Again, you don't go from Ludwig to Parker without ever having a conversation with Joe Moorehead. Or getting Sean Lewis, Jason Candle, etc. on campus. And, not own this decision. It's as simple as that. Freeman is hiring a guy that is very close to him and he trusts. He owns this decision. I want nothing more than Marcus Freeman to lead ND to NC so LFG Gerad Parker. But, he owns this nobody else. Taking one candidate off the table doesn't lead you here unless you want it too.

Why do you think they didn't have conversations with Moorhead, Lewis, Candle, etc?

Lewis just took a job and his offense isn't what Freeman wants to run.

Candle and Moorhead are head coaches. Candle already turned down Miami twice. Maybe he's not overly interested in taking an OC job. Same with Moorhead.

It's definitely not as simple as you are assuming it is. It sounds like Freeman has had discussions and has vetted guys like the ones you mentioned. But he ultimately felt Parker had the most familiarity with what he wants offensively. There's a reason why Ludwig was the guy, because his offense best matched what Freeman has said he wants. The other guys, easily could've been not a good fit or lack of interest, given their situations. Need to also remember that Parker was a legitimate name being mentioned throughout the process.

 

[Kingbish01]

No, he could earn a lot of coin elsewhere AND be coached by a well regarded HC and OC. I will be shocked if Carr sticks. This will neutar offensive recruiting, Parker? I mean Freeman can recruit, but this is amateur hour. Freeman screwed the pooch.

Correct, and let's not act like if football doesn't work out the kid would fail at life because he has a degree from UGA, FSU, Bama or Ole fuckin Miss.....all bullshit that ND spews. I'd love to see how the BOT acts when they turn into Ga Tech or Boston College and half the stadium is empty...it's coming.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

I don't think it's Freeman's fault. Going from Ludwig to Parker, is Freeman's fault. That's the point. The admin took a singular candidate off the table and now the world has burned and Freeman is being forced to hire his buddy. That makes zero fucking sense.

Agreed. I mentioned the OC and OL coach from Oregon State. They have put together pretty good offenses with good lines and that's at a place like Oregon State. The combined buyout for the pair would have been $100k. I highly doubt the admin would have said no to that.

 

[Irish eyes]

Parker averaged 25 points at west Virginia... Please... What are we Army!! It's a terrible hire!

 

[irishog77]

I don't think it's Freeman's fault. Going from Ludwig to Parker, is Freeman's fault. That's the point. The admin took a singular candidate off the table and now the world has burned and Freeman is being forced to hire his buddy. That makes zero fucking sense.

This.

And why would Swarbrick allow ND to let the world know they flew in a guy from SLC on a PJ, wined and dined him for 48 hours, then balked? Seems like they would end up with egg all over ALL their faces, not just Freeman's.

Or, what I'm betting is actually the case, there's more to the story.

 

[Luckylucci]

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Why do you think they didn't have conversations with Moorhead, Lewis, Candle, etc?

Lewis just took a job and his offense isn't what Freeman wants to run.

Candle and Moorhead are head coaches. Candle already turned down Miami twice. Maybe he's not overly interested in taking an OC job. Same with Moorhead.

It's definitely not as simple as you are assuming it is. It sounds like Freeman has had discussions and has vetted guys like the ones you mentioned. But he ultimately felt Parker had the most familiarity with what he wants offensively. There's a reason why Ludwig was the guy, because his offense best matched what Freeman has said he wants. The other guys, easily could've been not a good fit or lack of interest, given their situations. Need to also remember that Parker was a legitimate name being mentioned throughout the process.

Sometimes I'm not sure you can help it but you are literally proving the point.

Yes, in the myriad of decisions that went into this, Freeman made 99% of them and then the admin made one. He owns this. I'm glad we're on the same page.